Foreman and Wilder are possibly two of the hardest punching HWs ever. Neither of them were known for having good technique. I feel Wilder has more one-punch knockout power, while Foreman had more of the clubbing type of power.
What do you think?
Foreman was a different planet to the windmill, send Wilder back to the 70s he wouldnt be top 20 let alone a champion, those boys in that era were super tough and to get to the top you needed a stella chin to make it. Now you can get to 40 straight wins and hold a a title for a couple of years and your biggest win is a life and death struggle with an aging cuban probably near 45 yrs old who has never beaten anyone either and still be talked about in the same breathe as an ATG. Foreman fought much better fighters and hit much harder its just they didnt fall over after one punch, put prime Foreman into todays division he cleans them all out without breaking sweat. If Wilder ever actually fights a prime live opponent you can be sure his power will look far less than it is knocking over jobbing tomato cans.
You MFers damn lost your damn minds with this Wilder...
The man officially fought his first live body just a few weeks ago, and Ortiz was 55 years old on fight night...off the juice.
Exactly. Ortiz is the best guy he fought (way out of his prime) and it was a back and fourth VERY competitive fight.
Wilder still hits REALLY hard though, forman was more thudding power though
I'll take a guess at it and say, Wilder has the lights out power that fxcks you up in just one shot, George has the thudding concussive power dare I say it, but it's kinda similar to how AJ gets KOes over people.
I rate both of their power very highly, but for me Wilder puts people to sleep on a consistent basis so it has to be him.
Kid you haven't watched boxing long enough otherwise you would see Shavers hasnt had many K.O with guys with winning recordsor guys over 210 .
I had a convo with Foreman about this and he indeed said he stopped tougher guys , but hey what do i know . I need boxrec a site i dont even have access too ?:dance:
You had a convo with Shavers, lmao...?
Yea thats a classic in the making , i missed it and even commented to him how he got Red K again ......so fast well now i know . His little thread was the result of me probably ,he should have just left it . Its like writing on your forehead the word DUMMY . lol
King Hippo may have got the number one dumbest poster with that one .
Stiverne hits harder than Klitchko ?:burnout:
The scary thing is theres posters like Weiland who said Parker has better offence than Klitchko . Theres an over whelming abundance of stupidity on this forum , its great . lol :lol1:
Stupidity knows no bounds!
but that's not what you said. You said he didn't train properly and there's nothing to suggest that's true at all.
By all accounts Foreman was in terrific shape.
He never should have agreed to go to Zaire. Mentally he was so phcked his physical condition was of little importance.
Foreman thought the fight would be over in 3-4 rounds max, he underestimated Ali. I'm not even sure the type of road work he did, he did most of his training in isolation, on the other hand Ali was free to run the streets after getting the African crowd on his side.
Foreman fought a whopping 9 rounds in his last 5 fights, Ali 60.
You're not going to be conditioned properly fighting so few rounds.
but that's not what you said. You said he didn't train properly and there's nothing to suggest that's true at all.
By all accounts Foreman was in terrific shape.
lol wtf are you smoking
Foreman thought the fight would be over in 3-4 rounds max, he underestimated Ali. I'm not even sure the type of road work he did, he did most of his training in isolation, on the other hand Ali was free to run the streets after getting the African crowd on his side.
Foreman fought a whopping 9 rounds in his last 5 fights, Ali 60.
You're not going to be conditioned properly fighting so few rounds.
According to idiots on here, Butterbean probably hits harder...
Every new generation pick their fighters to be the best.
Here on "Non-stop boxing" it seems Wilder has the upper hand.
But put this question in the "Boxing History"-section and Foreman will win by a mile.
Ron Lyle is a more proven puncher than Shavers just on the Foreman fight , some of these standards are ridiculous really . Giving certain lables bc fighter A has a better K.O % than fighter B . lol
yeah, it's from looking at his KO%, not from watching him throw that bomb of his, looking like he murdered Larry Holmes. KO'd Ron Lyle, first round stoppage of Bugner, KO'd Ellis, and almost dropped Ali.
Actually, You seem to be the only person that discredits Shavers punching ability. Maybe you should google his name and you'll see a list of boxers saying he was the hardest puncher they've faced.
Henry Cooper, 188lbs, practically KO'd Ali. I think people are thrown off by Ali's win over Foreman, the conditions in Rumble in the Jungle were PERFECT for an upset.
Foreman was barely training that fight, Ali had the African crowd chanting "Ali Kill him!", had Foreman completely shook. That fight took place outside in 100 degree weather with 90% humidity. Ali used all of it to his advantage letting Foreman literally tire himself out with his "rope a dope", if the conditions weren't what they were, history would've seen Foreman with a KO or wide UD.
lol wtf are you smoking
Deontay by a mile. you can't even name someone Foreman KOed with 1 punch until u get to a LHW Moorer and much later in his career when he was roided out of his mind.
Deontay not only hits harder. he's also more skilled and faster. Foreman had 2 left feet and couldn't throw a straight punch to save his life.
mmmh.... that's not true :lol1:
Foreman knocked out plenty of guys flat dead. Just because you only saw 3 Foreman fights in your life.
Wilders height gives him a significant advantage punching down as well bc of his speed . Its more velocity behind some of those K.O s .
His best one was Szpilka but he ran into the punch. Jennings also stopped Szpilka in less time and hes not a hard puncher at least hasnt shown to be .
Obviously Wilder has the zap power but it takes him more punches on average to down someone , he didnt down Duhaupas who was used like a heavy bag but we question Joshua now bc he DIDNT land any actual power flush punch on Parker ? lol
These Wilder fanatics are ridiculous not in the way of their opinion but how they go about it , They hype him up to extreme agendas that they claim Stivernes right hand is the best next to Wilders and Wilder is more skilled than Bowe AND Ali ? :burnout:
... And to add insult to injury, if we are Joshua and his team do we: "hey Josh better knock this guy out so all the haters don't get upset...take the risks" or do we see him working the rounds, being in his hometown, not needing to take unnecessary risks to win these rounds easily? which is what he said and what makes sense.
Even a very strong puncher does not take stupid risks and a lot of casuals don't seem to get that.
208 pound Evan Fields was roided you know this......
There are a lot of roided guys. Gregario Peralta, who NOBODY remembers because he doesn't fit an agenda, was 6'0 197lbs and was eating a lot of Foreman punches while landing a lot himself, fight went 10 rounds to a decision.
I ask you, what modern day HW would not get laughed at for even going 5 with a guy that size let alone 10?
Wilder gets lambasted for even going 5 rounds with 6'6 240lb Gerald Washington
Let's be honest here. Would you favor Wilder to beat a guy like Frazier ( who is head and shoulders above Ortiz)
Frazier would get annihilated, when Frazier fought a super heavy like Foreman we saw what happened. Bugner was another guy that was considered "big" in his era at 6'4 220 and pushed Frazier to his limit.
35 year old 6'0 197lb Gregario Peralta, not even a full fledged HW, was able to eat and avoid a lot of young Foreman's shots while landing his own. Foreman even looked a bit hurt at times.
Peralta couldn't even hold Ortiz's jock strap either. Just how many excuses can be made?
Among HWs you have Foreman, Tyson, Wlad, Vlad, Shaveryls, Lewis, Tua, Ruddock, Cooney, Wilder, Joshua, and Haye. After Foreman and Shavers, I do not know how to rank these guys based on power. Sometimes I feel prime Haye hots harder than Wilder and Joshua. Let's not forget Samuel Peter.
Gotta throw Ron Lyle in there IMO
I brought up Norton bc thats Shavers BEST quality K.O , yet that proves Shavers hits the hardest.?:burnout:
It’s always going to be a hard comparison because (off the top of my head) Norton is the only person they both KO’d. I think that Shavers Second round KO over Bugner is meaningful since he had never been stopped prior to that and had fought Lyle, Frazier, Ali (twice)
Hard to answer.. Big George is a way better boxer but Wilde power is real, he's defo top 3 one of the most powerful hitters of all time.
Among HWs you have Foreman, Tyson, Wlad, Vlad, Shaveryls, Lewis, Tua, Ruddock, Cooney, Wilder, Joshua, and Haye. After Foreman and Shavers, I do not know how to rank these guys based on power. Sometimes I feel prime Haye hots harder than Wilder and Joshua. Let's not forget Samuel Peter.