41 years old Klitschko vs 38 years old Ortiz - who is a better fighter?

116-111 on 2 judges scorecards, that is not losing like Pedvetkin dd, like Haye did, like Pulev did. Jennings worked Wlad's body all night and had Wlad holding on like crazy which lead to Wlad's first point deduction in like a decade. oh he won 2,5 rounds :lol1: such a legendary top 5 heavyweight.

Based on your responses you sure as hell seem to think Klitschko was the same fighter when he fought Joshua. Your second comment doesn't even make sense. You responded to a comment about Tyson Fury/Ortiz claiming I said Ortiz is better than Klitschko which I never said or even discussed. So if anybody is lying it's you. So in one sentence you're saying I'm assuming, when you're assuming yourself :thinking: Hey, I'm brand new to this sport. I don't know why you even have a conversation with a newbie like me.

2 judges had it 116-111 for Wlad vs Jennings, Pulev got blasted out, Pedvetkin wide UD, Haye wide UD. Ortiz didn't just beat Jennings, he blasted him out in an noncompetitive fight. Wlad was in deep shyt vs Wach, he was on bambi legs, but you really think this clown can take a power shot from Ortiz or Wilder LOL That's being saved by the bell, he's lucky Wach's KO ratio is barely 50% unlike Ortiz's 90%. These Klit lickers are TOO funny. Wilder gets lambasted for getting rocked by an actual undefeated power puncher in his prime while Wlad gets a pass for being KO'd by Brewster, Purrity, Sanders, dropped by Peter, rocked by Wach, dominated by Fury, and practically blasted out by a guy that's been boxing for 3 years in AJ. Jennings vs Ortiz was Jennings' first fight with a new trainer, he hasn't fought Ortiz the same way he fought Wlad. He didn't fight as cautiously as he used to, was more open to brawl and fight in the pocket. Regardless styles make fight. Ortiz was always going to do better vs Jennings than Wlad. Doesn't mean he's better because obviously (to anyone who isn't a Wilder turd) he isn't. In deep shyt was Wilder vs Ortiz in round 7... Or AJ vs wlad in round 5. Wach stunned him, the same way Molina stunned Wilder (though wlad didn't break dance like Wilder did when Molina caught him) but Wlad momentarily recovered Nobody is saying Wlad has a granite chin and nobody is giving him a pass for his KO losses but unlike you we're honest and intelligent enough to recognize the fact that Wlad pre Steward and Wlad that then went on and dominated the division are two different fighters. The fact that you're bringing up that moment Wach stunned him only proves it: Klitschko gets stunned first time in 7 years (since the Peter fight) and that proves his defence sucks lol Wilder gets lambasted not for getting hurt by Ortiz, which is expected because Ortiz can punch and Wilder's chin isn't anything special which we all knew and it's nothing surprising since it's the HW after all He gets that treatment because of you dumb mother****ers who can't take that win for what it actually is which is a good win over a good opponent for which he gets props from me and his other critics and NOTHING more or less Instead you blow it out of proportion like you do it with every thing related to Wilder This is my last response to you, don't bother replying. I'm done arguing with you retards. The result of the poll says it all that needed to be said.

- Wladimir Klitschko has 69 bouts. With only 5 losses. No other heavyweight (by modern standard) in history has as many bouts with as few losses as Wlad. - Wladimir Klitschko has the highest number of championship title wins in REAL heavyweight boxing history. - Wladimir Klitschko has been on top, as the number 1 dominant heavyweight champion for longer than anybody else (a decade). Let us know when Luis Ortiz, Deontay Wilder or any of the current heavyweight boxers achieve these feats. Until then, they're not fit to even carry Wladimir Klitschko's jockstrap. The only 'clown' here is Deontay Wilder. The guy that can't even speak his own native language properly. Meanwhile, Wladimir Klitschko (the guy who is being called the 'clown') speaks at least 4 languages. Speaks Wilder's native language better than Wilder does. Has a PHD and is a scientist / doctor. Again, this clown Wilder isn't fit to carry Wladimir Klitschko's jock strap. Wladimir Klitschko losing to Anthony Joshua at age 41 means nothing! Since no past heavyweight champion did any better at that same age. Let us know how Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder or any of the current heavyweights are doing when they are also 39 years of age and 41 years of age. Until then, there's no ifs and buts about Wladimir Klitschko's greatness. Wladimir Klitschko may have been stunned by Mariusz Wach. Deontay Wilder on the other hand, has been brutally STOPPED and dropped by a cruiser weight in Evgeny Romanov. Wladimir Klitschko has NEVER EVER been dropped or stopped by a cruiser weight like Wilder has.

116-111 on 2 judges scorecards, that is not losing like Pedvetkin dd, like Haye did, like Pulev did. Jennings worked Wlad's body all night and had Wlad holding on like crazy which lead to Wlad's first point deduction in like a decade. I tried to point that out about the older Klitschko but Laced up apparently wants to believe Klitschko wasn't showing any signs of declining in his later years.

Resorting to lies :lol1: I never said Klitschko was prime. This is what I was responding to. In direct relation to a discussion between Ortiz and Klitschko. Based on your responses you sure as hell seem to think Klitschko was the same fighter when he fought Joshua. Your second comment doesn't even make sense. You responded to a comment about Tyson Fury/Ortiz claiming I said Ortiz is better than Klitschko which I never said or even discussed. So if anybody is lying it's you.

Ortiz as a pro hasn't fought anyone worth mentioning except Jennings whom Wlad had already beaten and Wilder who knocked him out. Now compare that to Klitschko's resume. Wlad wasn't saved by the bell vs Wach, stop making shyt up. He got tagged with an overhand right that stunned hin a little bit after which Wach threw a flurry (and didn't land anything) and then the bell rung. His legs were fine, he wasn't hurt or in any danger. Jennings lost his fight vs Wlad 2-10. Joshua got almost knocked out. 2 judges had it 116-111 for Wlad vs Jennings, Pulev got blasted out, Pedvetkin wide UD, Haye wide UD. Ortiz didn't just beat Jennings, he blasted him out in an noncompetitive fight. Wlad was in deep shyt vs Wach, he was on bambi legs, but you really think this clown can take a power shot from Ortiz or Wilder LOL That's being saved by the bell, he's lucky Wach's KO ratio is barely 50% unlike Ortiz's 90%. These Klit lickers are TOO funny. Wilder gets lambasted for getting rocked by an actual undefeated power puncher in his prime while Wlad gets a pass for being KO'd by Brewster, Purrity, Sanders, dropped by Peter, rocked by Wach, dominated by Fury, and practically blasted out by a guy that's been boxing for 3 years in AJ.

Jennings lost 11 out of 12 rounds. Please stop with your bullcrap. Jennings doesn't have a top 15 win on his record, and going 12 with Klitschko doesn't put you top 5 :lol1: 116-111 on 2 judges scorecards, that is not losing like Pedvetkin dd, like Haye did, like Pulev did. Jennings worked Wlad's body all night and had Wlad holding on like crazy which lead to Wlad's first point deduction in like a decade.

Wlad has consistently shown defensive flaws throughout his career, that's the difference, as a pro Ortiz has been practically flawless. It took him years to master his holding and even when he did he was still getting exposed. In 2012 Wlad was still getting rocked by a guy like Wach, saved by the bell by a guy with a 50% KO ratio. Jennings lit up his body, Fury completely picked him apart, AJ annihilated him despite being just 3 years pro. Ortiz as a pro hasn't fought anyone worth mentioning except Jennings whom Wlad had already beaten and Wilder who knocked him out. Now compare that to Klitschko's resume. Wlad wasn't saved by the bell vs Wach, stop making shyt up. He got tagged with an overhand right that stunned hin a little bit after which Wach threw a flurry (and didn't land anything) and then the bell rung. His legs were fine, he wasn't hurt or in any danger. Jennings lost his fight vs Wlad 2-10. Joshua got almost knocked out. Ortiz is better than Klitschko :lol1: fcking Wilderetards man :lol1:

What's retarded is you believing that Joshua beat a prime Klitschko. The question was about 41 year old inactive Klitschko coming off a loss. The post that you responded to had nothing to do with Ortiz being better than Klitschko and I never said he was. Either you're lacking reading comprehension or you're seeing what you want to see. Resorting to lies :lol1: I never said Klitschko was prime. Your statement was that he was in serious decline. When did he show that? If you can't answer the question you're just talking out of your ass. This is what I was responding to. In direct relation to a discussion between Ortiz and Klitschko.

Look at the thread title. I'm referring to your first post which was aimed at Ortiz. Trying to claim Ortiz is even remotely as good a win as WK is retarded. To say the least. What's retarded is you believing that Joshua beat a prime Klitschko. The question was about 41 year old inactive Klitschko coming off a loss. The post that you responded to had nothing to do with Ortiz being better than Klitschko and I never said he was. Either you're lacking reading comprehension or you're seeing what you want to see.

I give a lot of credit to Wilder for the win - he showed a lot, but still, pretty much any version of Wlad is better than 40+ Ortiz. These guys are getting better and better, but I still don't think they are on Wlad's level 4-5 years ago. Maybe Fury, when he is 100% in...

The fighter in question was Tyson Fury. Not Klitschko you ignorant fool and I never said one was better than the other. You apparently lack reading comprehension. Look at the thread title. I'm referring to your first post which was aimed at Ortiz. Trying to claim Ortiz is even remotely as good a win as WK is retarded. To say the least.

I'm talking about in general. Not one fight. His reflexes were slower, he threw fewer punches, and he clinched much more as an older fighter. That is clear and I don't even know why you're trying to argue about that. That's not what you said though. He didn't throw fewer punches - This is a common misconception from boxing fans who hasn't really followed his career that closely. Wlad proved throughout his entire career that he would throw few punches against guys who could move. Chambers, Ibragimov, Haye and Thompson in the first fight all had similar stats to the Fury fight. However, only when he loses are people shedding a light on this. If he was so shot how could he come back and give such a performance vs AJ? :thinking:

Shut your bum mouth. You're trying to say Ortiz is better than Klitschko gtfo with that amateur bs. The fighter in question was Tyson Fury. Not Klitschko you ignorant fool and I never said one was better than the other. You apparently lack reading comprehension.

Go and watch the first Sam Peter fight. Yeah boxing is new for me :lol1: Been on this forum for a decade, and saw Klitschko live as an amateur in 1995. Brand new to boxing. I'm talking about in general. Not one fight. His reflexes were slower, he threw fewer punches, and he clinched much more as an older fighter. That is clear and I don't even know why you're trying to argue about that.

You're the one who made the claim that Fury would easily dominate Ortiz and was miles ahead of him as a fighter. I said that was your opinion. YOU claimed anybody who knows boxing would believe you. So it's on YOU to find these trainers and other people that line up with your way of thinking. Don't ask me to back up claims that you made. Shut your bum mouth. You're trying to say Ortiz is better than Klitschko gtfo with that amateur bs.

Parker, - that resume is thin AF Whyte, Miller or Breazele (see parker) Pulev - slightly better than the above resume wise. which aint saying much Povetkin - most experienced but pure meh. wont last 4 rds vs wilder or aj. H Fury = :lol1: :haha: :peeright: ...........fury - cvnt who faced a shot champ and instantly became shot himself. 1-n-done mfer All of these guys beat better guys than Ortiz with the possible exception of H Fury who's just 22 years old.

Klitschko wasn't clinching in 2005 the same way he was in later years but boxing is new for you so I understand. Go and watch the first Sam Peter fight. Yeah boxing is new for me :lol1: Been on this forum for a decade, and saw Klitschko live as an amateur in 1995. Brand new to boxing.

Prove me wrong. Jenning's only loss was a competitive fight with the #1 guy in the division, Klitschko. Pulev, Pedvetkin, Haye didn't do anywhere near as good as Jennings did vs Klitschko and it's because they weren't as good. Very simple. Jennings lost 11 out of 12 rounds. Please stop with your bullcrap. Jennings doesn't have a top 15 win on his record, and going 12 with Klitschko doesn't put you top 5 :lol1: