Luis Ortiz is a better boxer than AJ

Ortiz is a much better boxer than both Wilder and Joshua. The problem is that he is at least 10 years older, maybe more. Joshua can box, but its clear he is no natural like Ortiz. He is stiff and predictable with basic defense. Wilder cannot box at all IMO, he fights like a worldstar ghetto banger.

If you think I said that at any point in this thread, it is you who is the retard here. That's exactly what you said, take it back and we can talk about the fight.

If you think Wilder can outbox Joshua you are a retard, plain and simple. If you think I said that at any point in this thread, it is you who is the retard here.

Ortiz brough that sweet Cuban boxing style to the table and Wilder, outgunned most of the fight, solved the problem and stopped the skilled King Kong. AJ is a basic boxer at best and will not present any of those problems to Wilder. True, he has his own qualities such as size and athleticism to match Wilder's but people need to stop saying he'll outbox Wilder. It won't happen. If you think Wilder can outbox Joshua you are a retard, plain and simple.

Wilder knows different which his why he never tried to make a Wlad fight. Wlad spanked windmiller in sparring. Dubois sparked AJ in sparring. Shall we add anymore sparring war tales to the discussion? It's very relevant Wilders skills are lacking and needs his power to bail him out. Wilder is a horrible boxer with insane power and a killer instinct. Want to add any new information to the thread, Captain Obvious?

AJ is not some great counter puncher, your argument is weak if that's your premise. Ajs whole game is combinations and counter punching. Hes very quick on the trigger when he counters.

LOL, it's well known fact that Wilder got knocked out cold by Wlad in sparring... James Ali Bashir approved this many times. How green was Wilder when/if this even happened? LOL you wanna talk sparring? Hasn't AJ been stopped in sparring and in the amateurs before? The name Dubois ring a bell, a totally green prospect who allegedly sodomized AJ in sparring? Washington is better boxer than Wilder btw, he was ahead on scorecards 5-0. I don't know why you keep bringing this irrelevant topic up. Many boxers have been down to inferior opponents before stopping them, it means zilch, just that fighter A didn't take fighter B seriously. You must be foolish into thinking that Wilder would have the same lazy mentality facing AJ that he had against Washington.

Washington is better boxer than Wilder btw, he was ahead on scorecards 5-0.

That Wlad was showing major signs or slipping even before Fury schooled him. He couldn't pull the trigger anymore and Wilder would jump all on him and windmill him into oblivion. Wilder with his style was all wrong for Klit, even a prime version. A guy who jumps all on him and tries to take him out was his kryptonite. It sure worked for guys like Brewster and Sanders who didn't have the power or killer instinct of Wilder. LOL, it's well known fact that Wilder got knocked out cold by Wlad in sparring... James Ali Bashir approved this many times.

Klitschko is better boxer & hits much harder than Ortiz. https://i.imgur.com/4iIaFqy.gif http://klitschko-brothers.com/upload/comments/d40a3da99f6785cbb61a0f63be9d5827.gif I am not even sure Ortiz is better than Povetkin at all. If he fought Povetkin in Russia he would get KO'd cold. Prime Wlad hits harder than Ortiz, yes. More skilled, no. Wlad was just more effective with the style the great Emmanuel Steward molded for him. Ortiz V Povetkin would be a great and logical fight, I'm with you on that.

If Wlad fought Wilder now i'd bet everything on Wlad. Wlad is all wrong for windmiller. He wouldn't get a sniff. That Wlad was showing major signs or slipping even before Fury schooled him. He couldn't pull the trigger anymore and Wilder would jump all on him and windmill him into oblivion. Wilder with his style was all wrong for Klit, even a prime version. A guy who jumps all on him and tries to take him out was his kryptonite. It sure worked for guys like Brewster and Sanders who didn't have the power or killer instinct of Wilder.

Klitschko is better boxer & hits much harder than Ortiz. https://i.imgur.com/4iIaFqy.gif http://klitschko-brothers.com/upload/comments/d40a3da99f6785cbb61a0f63be9d5827.gif I am not even sure Ortiz is better than Povetkin at all. If he fought Povetkin in Russia he would get KO'd cold.

Wilder fans be like Washington and Uber drivers are better boxers than Ali next

That dude really comparing Wlad to Washington... lol And Washington was outboxing Wilder 5-0 before getting stopped. Strawman argument. Move on buddy.

That Wlad would wipe the floor with Ortiz. He doesn't win a round against Ortiz and you know it. And that version of Wlad gets blown out in a few rounds by Wilder. Deal wiff it. :usa1:

That Wlad would wipe the floor with Ortiz. That dude really comparing Wlad to Washington... lol And Washington was outboxing Wilder 5-0 before getting stopped.

How can you guys explain why Wilder gets outboxed ofen by mediocre boxers like Washington?

False. AJ dropped many rounds to a shot, shaky chinned, and old Wlad who was only operating with a basic 1-2 and could hardly pull the trigger. Still managed to confuse, drop, and nearly finish AJ. The same Wlad who was outboxed and nearly shut out against Fury. It's reasonable to say that Ortiz outboxes AJ and wins a UD. Are you comparing Wlad to Washington? Washington is below average boxer who gopt KO'd Baby Miller, and he actually outboxing Wilder 5-0 before getting KO'd in 6'th. Klitschko in his prime barely lost rounds. lol

Joshua is basic but that is enough to outbox Wilder.... I mean Washington and Spzilka were doing it and AJ is a better boxer than both of them. Wilder gets outboxed almost every fight but no way Joshua can do that? Lol. That’s like saying Wilder can’t hurt Joshua. Dumb statement.

Sure, but AJ youth and power would have made a difference last night