Do you think Crawford could be considered a top 100 ATG by the time he retires? Say he beats Mikey Garcia, Thurman, Spence, and then wins a title at 154. Would that be enough?
There isn't any great all purpose 100 greatest list. Almost nobody even has such a list. Do you actually have a 100 greatest boxers of all time list written down somewhere all in order from the greatest to the 100th greatest? I'll bet you don't have such a list because almost nobody really has a list like that. If you ask someone where a great boxer ranks among the all time greats they may give you a number but they are just guessing because they have no list. Some guys might have a 10 greatest boxers of all time list but that is as long as most lists ever get. One thing is certain and that is no 2 lists of the greatest 100 boxers of all time will ever be the same because such lists are based on personal opinion and no 2 boxing fans or boxing writers have exactly the same opinion. Crawford is one of the best boxers fighting today so you could just let it go at that.
Good points.
Top 100 is so generic.
Hard for me to keep a top 30 P4P.
I prefer to keep top 10/20 lists for lightweights(130-)
Midweights (135-168)
Light heavy (175-210)
HWs (200+)
Just the normal early career draining thru filling out and fighting guys thier own size.
And for me....the evolution of the sport only truly took off during the Robinson/Louis eras.
The fighters before that were not typically highly skilled save a handful through out the entire sport....
Can't imagine how Dempsey could hang with Ward, Kovalev, Ali, Usyk on and on and on....
Do you think Crawford could be considered a top 100 ATG by the time he retires? Say he beats Mikey Garcia, Thurman, Spence, and then wins a title at 154. Would that be enough?
If he did that he'd be a top 10 p4p ATG.
He's gonna be up against guys his own size at 147.
That is fight night weight 155/160ish.
Hell, both Spence and Peterson were 165+.
I doubt Bud can get through that especially considering the politics.
He'll be lucky to get Horn, old Pac, and out of retirement Marquez/Bradley.
There isn't any great all purpose 100 greatest list. Almost nobody even has such a list. Do you actually have a 100 greatest boxers of all time list written down somewhere all in order from the greatest to the 100th greatest? I'll bet you don't have such a list because almost nobody really has a list like that. If you ask someone where a great boxer ranks among the all time greats they may give you a number but they are just guessing because they have no list. Some guys might have a 10 greatest boxers of all time list but that is as long as most lists ever get. One thing is certain and that is no 2 lists of the greatest 100 boxers of all time will ever be the same because such lists are based on personal opinion and no 2 boxing fans or boxing writers have exactly the same opinion. Crawford is one of the best boxers fighting today so you could just let it go at that.
I really don't understand this casual fanboyism over promoters, but if that's how you roll then more power to you. I am a boxing fan, I don't root for or against promoters. I just want to see good fights.
But to your point, none of Haymon's fighters are making more than Crawford either. So, they may be better protected and Haymon may not want to risk those titles by unifying, but they aren't getting any richer.
Crawford CAN be an ATG, and if Spence, Thurman, Garcia insist on fighting him, then something will be worked out. Arum and Haymon have already worked together, so there is no reason why they cannot do it again.
im one of the last guys you need to talk to about being a boxing fan .....i dont root for promoters
but day in and day out you see tons of guys bashing haymon or anyone that has anything to do with him simply because of his association with floyd
im guessing you prob arent any different than most of those guys
with porter, spence, thurman and garcia all in the fold haymon can do a few fights before he'd have to even consider offering anyone up to crawford....and with thurman taking it slow coming back from surgery it will push it back even further....
maybe al might dangle crawford some 147 chum....if arum had the stable of guys haymon does at 147 or around it you can be sure none of those guys would see another fight against a guy outside of his banner
There is a good chance he gets put to sleep by bum Jim Horn....
Good chance is only a hail Mary lucky shot lol.
TC could beat a few in that top 100 right now, he is a very good elite fighter that's still rising.
Crawford projects to be one of the 100 greatest ever. Crawford has the skill and talent to be a top 100 ATG but will likely not have the resume because he is with Bob and Bob will not let him fight the best fighters since they are with other promoters.
thats great
lemme know when all them fights get made
you are the one that said he needs to beat all those guys to become an ATG
it wont happen
haymon knows what we know....you dont have to be undisputed to make money or for it to matter.....crawford can be undisputed but hes not anymore known than all 4 of them guys you listed
haymon can take his 4 guys and prob make good fights for the next 2-3 years.....what can crawford do? he needs to move up to take himself to the next level.......its bobs problem that the power balance at 147 isnt in his favor....if it were he'd freeze out any one of als guys because he could
I really don't understand this casual fanboyism over promoters, but if that's how you roll then more power to you. I am a boxing fan, I don't root for or against promoters. I just want to see good fights.
But to your point, none of Haymon's fighters are making more than Crawford either. So, they may be better protected and Haymon may not want to risk those titles by unifying, but they aren't getting any richer.
Crawford CAN be an ATG, and if Spence, Thurman, Garcia insist on fighting him, then something will be worked out. Arum and Haymon have already worked together, so there is no reason why they cannot do it again.
Crawford is off to a damn good start. 2 division champ and only the 2nd fighter in history to hold all 4 major world titles. He becomes undisputed at 147 itd be hard for me to hear anyones argument why he wouldn't be in the top 100...
yeah he can get there, its gonna take him leaving Arum imo to do it considering the politics and arum specifically only wants to match Crawford vs top guys on PPV. if Manny ends up getting Loma I think bud might rethink his position with Arum and maybe keep himself neutral to get guys on PBC side in the ring like Mikey Garcia is doing.
Arum will try to get him the fights that will make the most money. At WW, that means fighting the other title holders. Question is, will Haymon want to risk losing his title-holders to Crawford? Crawford easily beats both Garcias, and I would favor him to be Thurman. Spence is a 50/50 fight.
thats great
lemme know when all them fights get made
you are the one that said he needs to beat all those guys to become an ATG
it wont happen
haymon knows what we know....you dont have to be undisputed to make money or for it to matter.....crawford can be undisputed but hes not anymore known than all 4 of them guys you listed
haymon can take his 4 guys and prob make good fights for the next 2-3 years.....what can crawford do? he needs to move up to take himself to the next level.......its bobs problem that the power balance at 147 isnt in his favor....if it were he'd freeze out any one of als guys because he could
you know im right...
no way does crawford ever fight all 4 of those guys
Arum will try to get him the fights that will make the most money. At WW, that means fighting the other title holders. Question is, will Haymon want to risk losing his title-holders to Crawford? Crawford easily beats both Garcias, and I would favor him to be Thurman. Spence is a 50/50 fight.
Depends on who he beats and how be beats them. At a minimum he would need to beat:
Thurman
Spence
Garcia
Porter
Unifying 147 and being undisputed champion in a second weight class will certainly get him on the Top 100 list. Snatching a belt from Charlo at 154 helps too.
bob will never let that happen
Depends on who he beats and how be beats them. At a minimum he would need to beat:
Thurman
Spence
Garcia
Porter
Unifying 147 and being undisputed champion in a second weight class will certainly get him on the Top 100 list. Snatching a belt from Charlo at 154 helps too.