Can some explain this to me? Haymon/Dibella/Spence

So you're saying ESPN/DISNEY, a publicly traded company is hiding financial info from the public? That's illegal you know? I'm gonna contact the SEC and tell them this groundbreaking illegal information. I'll tell them my source is killakali from boxingsceneSo look at your chart and tell me how much they pay for the Australian open, Indy car and BYU football? Tell me how it is since if it isn't on there it is illegal as you say? And when you report them tell them that Motor City Cobra is the source LMAOOOOOOO

First of all Gomez didn't lie under oath. He admitted to lying to the media and planting fake news under oath. Gomez said he gives Rafael fakes news because Rafael is "nosy" Court records is my inside info Another sh*tty post. So because Gomez has lied before that means he told this lie? And Tim Smith from PBC doesn't give "fake news?" How about Arum, Duva, Hearn, etc? The truth is you are merely assuming and speculating. You have no real knowledge just like you have no knowledge on what Spence's purse was. Just know it was way more than 1.2 million. Part of it was rolled into a signing bonus to NOT sign with a promoter. Not just GBP either. Matchroom and Top Rank were after his services as well as most major promoters and why wouldn't they? A great welterweight who is a promotional free agent is a hot commodity.

ESPN does not pay for those fights. It's a time buy https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNFSXm1W4AAnXRN.jpgThat graphic doesn't prove anything lol. It isn't a time buy. GBP boxing on ESPN is a partial time buy. But those are small time fights. ESPN pays top rank for fights, pays top rank for their vast library to show the reruns too. Educate yourself. It isn't a set amount. Even the moron WBA WBC IBF admitted that ESPN is paying Top Rank for fights. Their isn't a set amount because there is a minimum amount of cards but each card has a different purse amount that isn't set a year ahead of time. Go to school

Why would I bet you 10k when I said Spence got more than he what was his reported purse. But it wasn't $3.5 mil. That was a rumor started by Golden Boy when Spence didn't sign with them. Eric Gomez admitted under oath in court that he lies to the media and gives them fake stories, especially Rafael because he's "nosy". The racist emails was Golden Boy's PR man colluding with a writer to plant fake news about Haymon in the press. What I'm saying is all on record in a court of law. What you're saying is you sh*tty takeNot all of what your saying is on record in a court of law. Your part of racist emails and Gomez lying under oath yes. By you saying that Spence got more than 1.2million and less than 3.5 million is your own lie. The part where you say GBP is the one who gave Rafael the info is nothing more than speculation. So basically what you are saying is you have no inside info and your post s**ks d**k because it is slanted towards your biases.

Haymon was commanding that much for his fighters for years, way before PBC. It probably came to public consciousness with Andre Berto, when he turned down the fight with Cotto because the 2mil or whatever he was offered wasn't worth the risk when he was making over a million bucks a fight against the likes of Freddy Hernandez. People were shocked and confused. Haymons been around the block; first it was HBO's coffers he was raiding, then Showtimes, then the private investment that created PBC, and now Showtime again. People have been asking how the hell he gets away with these insane purses for his fighters, a good number of which have no drawing power whatsoever, for years. For the longest time the only explanation was that he had Mayweather as leverage, but Floyd retired and it seems he still has ever bit as much as pull as before when it comes to getting his fighters paid.over the last year and half the purses have been getting smaller. Still good but not as big as before

I think so. If you recall the original Top Rank lawsuit got tossed out and the judge told them to go back and rewrite it and file again. Their lawsuit never got as far as Golden Boy's. Arum settled with Haymon and the agreement was Haymon remove his exclusivity deal with the networks.and that is how Arum one upped PBC and got ESPN to pay for their fights. They are now the only promoter with a basic cable network paying for high level fights

He's running Evander Holyfield's Real Deal promotions now That was the rumor put out by Golden Boy fed to Dan Rafael and others who repeated it. And you fell for it :lol1: :rofl: You should read up on the way Haymon transformed promoting in the music business. Entertainment promoting in general really.I have actually worked in the music promotional business so I know more about it than you. Spence also sat down with Matchroom. Don't act like he almost didn't sign. Haymon fighters like many others, get paid a lot more than whats on a commission sheet. If you learn the business you would know that. There are many ways fighters can get paid besides whats on the commission sheets like advances, training camp expenses, purses paid to their own personal promotional companies, etc. They are tax shelters. Foreign fighters do it all the time. I would bet you 10k right now that Spence got paid more than 1.2million for Peterson and you wouldn't take my bet because you know I am right

His feelings were hurt because Haymon had his own plans after paying Oscar close to $20 mil to buy out all those fighters. That' another thing. People say Haymon stole Oscar's fighters, naw, he paid Oscar almost $20 mil for those fighters. Oscar could've had some of that money if he wouldn't have listened to people in his ear telling him to get rid of Schaefer. Oscar was vulnerable at the time. He'd just gotten out of rehab. He went and had that dinner with Bob to make amends (that's something they teach you in rehab) Remember how him and Bob were supposed to work together to make all these fights? Whatever happened to that? Bob is probably in his ear telling him that Schaefer and Haymon are playing him. Gomez is probably in his ear because Gomez wanted Schaefer's job. Now the man that built Golden Boy into the #1 promoter in the game is getting all the blame from Oscar. The original plan was for Golden Boy to promote all the PBC cards. Oscar even talked about it in an interview. But the only problem was Oscar was to unstable to get investors to invest money. That's why Haymon offered him $100 mil to buy out his majority shares in the company.' Here is the article where Oscar talks about starting something similar to PBC http://www.broadcastingcable.com/news/news-articles/oscar-de-la-hoya-s-new-fight/126187 holy ish!!! i didnt know any of that.. did haymon get any good fighters for that $20mil?

Ummm. Am I getting this right? You believe Arum is the source but you don't actually have proof then? Educated speculation? Again, I ain't saying you're wrong, but if that is the case, then you can't really hang any arguments off it, either. I know that Arum and DLH are almost always Rafael's sources for information of this manner. But you are correct that in this specific instance, I don't know for a fact that they were the source. It's very likely though.

I think so. If you recall the original Top Rank lawsuit got tossed out and the judge told them to go back and rewrite it and file again. Their lawsuit never got as far as Golden Boy's. Arum settled with Haymon and the agreement was Haymon remove his exclusivity deal with the networks. so with that being said i guess oscar felt haymon was in the wrong and wanted some of that money as well?

You're making claims Golden Boy spent millions in court trying to prove and their case never made it to trial. Maybe you should email them the super secret evidence you have. Your "feelings" don't count as evidence didnt haymon settle with arum in court over basically the same issue? or was it completely different issue?

al haymon gets around the muhammad ali act by using proxy promoters. make no mistake, he is spence's promoter as well as his manager, and that is illegal. How much more obvious could it be :lol1:

al haymon gets around the muhammad ali act by using proxy promoters. make no mistake, he is spence's promoter as well as his manager, and that is illegal.

I think it was Golden Boy myself who fed them that rumor. When they couldn't sign Spence suddenly there was a rumor that Haymon paid him $3.5 mil for his next fight. It's crazy how people ran with it and didn't bother to go back and question it when his reported purse was much lower. I'm sure he got a lil bit extra but not that much extra It could be either, I guess... or it could be a different source altogether. I'm simply curious TBH, it just seems like an odd rumour for anyone to start to me... It's understandable that people have attributed it to the usual suspects and come up with at least a semi-plausible explanation for it, but I'm just wondering if anyone had any hard facts. The machinations of devious cunts has always held some fascination to me cos I ain't one.

Haymon doesn't talk to the press. Rafael doesn't have any sources that would know Haymon and Spence's private arrangements. Rafael is fed info by TR & GB all the time. TR & GB both went after Spence hard and failed. So you make up a story about Spence being insanely overpaid to explain why you failed to sign him and also hope it causes Haymon headaches with his other fighters. Arum & DLH play Rafael like a fiddle. It's been going on for years. Ummm. Am I getting this right? You believe Arum is the source but you don't actually have proof then? Educated speculation? Again, I ain't saying you're wrong, but if that is the case, then you can't really hang any arguments off it, either.

It's as plausible a reason as any, I suppose, if we're assuming that Arum is the source. Seems a bit contrived to me, but then I ain't really got a particularly twisty way of thinking, so... Haymon doesn't talk to the press. Rafael doesn't have any sources that would know Haymon and Spence's private arrangements. Rafael is fed info by TR & GB all the time. TR & GB both went after Spence hard and failed. So you make up a story about Spence being insanely overpaid to explain why you failed to sign him and also hope it causes Haymon headaches with his other fighters. Arum & DLH play Rafael like a fiddle. It's been going on for years.

To try to cause a rift between Al and his other fighters. Fighters read Spence is getting $3.5 million and start to question why they're making nowhere near that. It's just typical Arum mind games. It's as plausible a reason as any, I suppose, if we're assuming that Arum is the source. Seems a bit contrived to me, but then I ain't really got a particularly twisty way of thinking, so...

I'm not challenging the veracity of the bolded, cos I honestly have no idea what happened, but I am a little puizzled. How would it benefit Arum to have people thinking that Haymon is overpaying his fighters? I can understand how it's in Als interests to let other fighters know he gets his guys a fat cheque, but I'm struggling to see what Arums motive would be. To try to cause a rift between Al and his other fighters. Fighters read Spence is getting $3.5 million and start to question why they're making nowhere near that. It's just typical Arum mind games.

Very few do. Jacobs was in a weight class controlled by HBO. Had he beaten GGG, all the belts would have come over to PBC, but with him coming up short, it was going to be very difficult to get back in the mix without switching sides. makes sense to me.. thank u

How many promoters do you know? Dibella, Ten Goose, Mayweather, Warriors and others promote events with Haymon fighters without having those fighters under exclusive promotional agreements. This has been going on for years. Where have you been? Spence's purse was filed with the commission at $1.2 million. Where did you get the $1.5 million figure from? I know where you got the $3.5 million figure from. Dan Rafael of ESPN was fed a bogus story by Bob Arum (as usual). Spence likely made more than $1.2 million. The figure filed with the commission for a main event A-side is often artificially low to minimize taxes and sanctioning fees. But very unlikely he made $3.5 million for that fight. I'm not challenging the veracity of the bolded, cos I honestly have no idea what happened, but I am a little puizzled. How would it benefit Arum to have people thinking that Haymon is overpaying his fighters? I can understand how it's in Als interests to let other fighters know he gets his guys a fat cheque, but I'm struggling to see what Arums motive would be.