Carlos Takam = modern day Evander Holyfield

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Deontay Wilder is a tall, athletic 6 foot 7 boxer. Which is a kind that never existed in Ali's time And Ali at 6 foot 3, 215 pounds would be the same size as Oleksandr Usyk or Murat Gassiev. Both whom are cruiser weights that are arguably even more athletic and skilled than Ali (especially Usyk). And George Foreman himself was only 215-220 pounds and 6 foot 3 against Ali, which is more or less the same size and dimensions as Murat Gassiev that happens to be a cruiser weight today. And Muhammad Ali's KO percentage against opponents weighing over 215 pounds is only 33% (feather fist). So that one KO win over George Foreman doesn't prove much because most of the time, he struggled to KO opponents weighing over 215 pounds. And there is a reason why 'weight divisions' exist and not 'skill divisions'. Do you want to know why? Because weight is more significant in combat sports than skills when it comes to determining the outcomes of bouts. Skills matter mostly when two boxers are of the same weight. However, a lighter boxer with more skills can still lose most of the time against a less skilled heavier boxer. You know wilder only weighs 220 pounds right? That is literally 5 pounds within Frazier, Foreman, Ali, norton,Holmes Etc. Wilder, other than his height is not a huge heavyweight. I would take any of those guys over Wilder & Wlad anyday of the week. Do you really think Usyk would have beaten a prime Ali? You think Wlad/wilder beats Larry Holmes???

Ali was 215 pounds when he fought the thrilla in Manila... About 7 pounds smaller than Deontay wilder who is currently 39-0 in the modern division you claim is so elite ROFL... Ali knocked out a prime, undefeated George Foreman who weighed 220 pounds. Boxing is about skills, not who weighs more. Do you even box? LMAO not likely. Keep writing Harry Potter novel size responses, doesn’t change the fact you said Joshua is better than Lewis, Holmes & Ali... plz stop talking about boxing. Ali also weighed up to 236 pounds which is only 13 smaller than joshua. Lewis, Holmes & Ali ko Joshua and would destroy and dominate every heavyweight today. Join a gym. Deontay Wilder is a tall, athletic 6 foot 7 boxer. Which is a kind that never existed in Ali's time And Ali at 6 foot 3, 215 pounds would be the same size as Oleksandr Usyk or Murat Gassiev. Both whom are cruiser weights that are arguably even more athletic and skilled than Ali (especially Usyk). And George Foreman himself was only 215-220 pounds and 6 foot 3 against Ali, which is more or less the same size and dimensions as Murat Gassiev that happens to be a cruiser weight today. And Muhammad Ali's KO percentage against opponents weighing over 215 pounds is only 33% (feather fist). So that one KO win over George Foreman doesn't prove much because most of the time, he struggled to KO opponents weighing over 215 pounds. And there is a reason why 'weight divisions' exist and not 'skill divisions'. Do you want to know why? Because weight is more significant in combat sports than skills when it comes to determining the outcomes of bouts. Skills matter mostly when two boxers are of the same weight. However, a lighter boxer with more skills can still lose most of the time against a less skilled heavier boxer.

Looking at the majority of the comments in this thread they disagree with you. That's okay! Disagreements are fine but I've provided facts to substantiate my position and anybody that is open minded and competent can read them and perhaps change their opinion. Which is the purpose behind this thread!

It applies to style too. Nothing about them is alike. There are many similarities which I've already listed previously.

This is not about 'levels' but style. It applies to style too. Nothing about them is alike.

This thread isn't about who Carlos Takam resembles the most when comparing him to past heavyweights. Rather, it's about who Evander Holyfield resembles the most when he is compared to today's heavyweights. Perhaps Takam resembles Mercer more than Holyfield (I disagree). But which heavyweight today resembles Evander Holyfield the most? As for you 'not seeing any similarity whatsoever'. Every boxer has some similarities to every other boxer. No two boxers can ever be 100% dissimilar. Even if they aren't VERY similar, they will still share SOME similarities at least. Can we at least agree that Carlos Takam is more similar to Evander Holyfield and resembles Holyfield more than Nikolai Valuev does? There are many similarities between Takam and Holyfield: - As mentioned, both have similar left hooks. - Both are combination punching counter punchers who stay out of range and then step into range after making opponents miss or forcing them out of position. And then throw a counter punch which is followed by a combination of punches. - Both have very active guards. - Both use lateral movement against bigger sized opponents and more powerful opponents and attack and defend using in and out movement. There are plenty more similarities! If you can't see them, then that's a problem of yours. Looking at the majority of the comments in this thread they disagree with you.

Yes, because Muhammad Ali wasn't even a proper heavyweight by modern standard and would instead most likely be a cruiser weight or perhaps even a light heavyweight today, if he was boxing today. You do realize that during Ali's era, the minimum weight one was required to be was merely 176 pounds (lighter than today's female boxing heavyweight division) to be a heavyweight, right? Majority of Ali's bouts were against boxers who would be considered cruiser weights and light heavyweights today, based on their size. Larry Holmes has a better chance against modern heavyweights because he has more feats against modern sized heavyweights but Muhammad Ali was too small and majority of his opponents were too small to be even qualified as legitimate opponents for modern heavyweights like Anthony Joshua or the Klitschkos. Just because I have a different inference on something (based on actual facts) compared to you, doesn't mean I'm trolling. I have reasons for why I concluded what I concluded. Ali was 215 pounds when he fought the thrilla in Manila... About 7 pounds smaller than Deontay wilder who is currently 39-0 in the modern division you claim is so elite ROFL... Ali knocked out a prime, undefeated George Foreman who weighed 220 pounds. Boxing is about skills, not who weighs more. Do you even box? LMAO not likely. Keep writing Harry Potter novel size responses, doesn’t change the fact you said Joshua is better than Lewis, Holmes & Ali... plz stop talking about boxing. Ali also weighed up to 236 pounds which is only 13 smaller than joshua. Lewis, Holmes & Ali ko Joshua and would destroy and dominate every heavyweight today. Join a gym.

Hell no. Takam ia not even close to Holyfield's level. This is not about 'levels' but style.

Carlos Takam reminds me of a modern day Evander Holyfield in the way he boxes stylistically and the abilities that he displays during his boxing bouts. - Both very elusive - Both excellent counter punchers - Both have elite punch resistance - Both box like warriors with tremendous heart Hell no. Takam ia not even close to Holyfield's level.

If you are looking for a HW then Takam is similar to Ray Mercer. I don't see any similarity with Evander what so ever This thread isn't about who Carlos Takam resembles the most when comparing him to past heavyweights. Rather, it's about who Evander Holyfield resembles the most when he is compared to today's heavyweights. Perhaps Takam resembles Mercer more than Holyfield (I disagree). But which heavyweight today resembles Evander Holyfield the most? As for you 'not seeing any similarity whatsoever'. Every boxer has some similarities to every other boxer. No two boxers can ever be 100% dissimilar. Even if they aren't VERY similar, they will still share SOME similarities at least. Can we at least agree that Carlos Takam is more similar to Evander Holyfield and resembles Holyfield more than Nikolai Valuev does? There are many similarities between Takam and Holyfield: - As mentioned, both have similar left hooks. - Both are combination punching counter punchers who stay out of range and then step into range after making opponents miss or forcing them out of position. And then throw a counter punch which is followed by a combination of punches. - Both have very active guards. - Both use lateral movement against bigger sized opponents and more powerful opponents and attack and defend using in and out movement. There are plenty more similarities! If you can't see them, then that's a problem of yours.

You just burnt anyone who voted NO in the poll which is roughly ....... 85% right now with this single post . I cant believe even with other FEW posts on here explaining the similarities they are still oblivious and dumb enough to advertise it by actually posting on the thread ! Only on boxing Scene can 85% get it wrong! That Street dope is another special type of stupid , must be related to mlac :alcoholic Thanks! Green K sent!

Yes, agreed both very similar boxing IQ, Holyfield was a good boxer for his time, but this era of the heavyweight division is where the big man rules. Hate to break it to the die-hard fans of Holyfield, but he would have lost to everyone Takam lost to. Takam is a very good fighter though, it seems in this era fans just want to trash talk heavyweights all the time maybe because they're not American. I agree with everything you stated! Good comment! Green K sent!

Carlos Takam reminds me of a modern day Evander Holyfield in the way he boxes stylistically and the abilities that he displays during his boxing bouts. - Both very elusive - Both excellent counter punchers - Both have elite punch resistance - Both box like warriors with tremendous heart Yes, agreed both very similar boxing IQ, Holyfield was a good boxer for his time, but this era of the heavyweight division is where the big man rules. Hate to break it to the die-hard fans of Holyfield, but he would have lost to everyone Takam lost to. Takam is a very good fighter though, it seems in this era fans just want to trash talk heavyweights all the time maybe because they're not American.

Yes, they are similar. To claim they are "not one bit similar" is like me claiming a "tiger is not one but similar to a lion" when that's obviously false. Doesn't Holyfield have an excellent chin / punch resistance? So does Takam. Doesn't Holyfield throw excellent combination punches? So does Carlos Takam. Doesn't Holyfield box in the pocket / inside? So does Takam. Perhaps Holyfield is better than Takam and does those things better than Takam. But that's not the point! Two boxers can be stylistically similar with one being a better boxer and being better at using the same style. Yes, maybe Takam is more similar to Danny Garcia than he is to Evander Holyfield. However, the question isn't: 'who does Takam most closely resemble stylistically. The question is: who does Evander Holyfield most closely resemble out of the current heavyweights and Takam seems like he is closer to Holyfield stylistically than any other heavyweight today. Otherwise, who is most similar to Holyfield stylistically out of the current heavyweight boxers? If you are looking for a HW then Takam is similar to Ray Mercer. I don't see any similarity with Evander what so ever

I watched Holyfield for years, since the olympics. They are not one bit similar. Holyfield had skills, can slug, counter punch, box, jab and always had a killer instinct. Takam just sits there deflecting punches and tries to counter. He is more like Danny Garcia than Evander Yes, they are similar. To claim they are "not one bit similar" is like me claiming a "tiger is not one but similar to a lion" when that's obviously false. Doesn't Holyfield have an excellent chin / punch resistance? So does Takam. Doesn't Holyfield throw excellent combination punches? So does Carlos Takam. Doesn't Holyfield box in the pocket / inside? So does Takam. Perhaps Holyfield is better than Takam and does those things better than Takam. But that's not the point! Two boxers can be stylistically similar with one being a better boxer and being better at using the same style. Yes, maybe Takam is more similar to Danny Garcia than he is to Evander Holyfield. However, the question isn't: 'who does Takam most closely resemble stylistically. The question is: who does Evander Holyfield most closely resemble out of the current heavyweights and Takam seems like he is closer to Holyfield stylistically than any other heavyweight today. Otherwise, who is most similar to Holyfield stylistically out of the current heavyweight boxers?

Joshua would have destroyed Ali and Larry Holmes? A+ troll thread or you’re Eddie Hearn. Ali and Holmes destroyed by Joshua... LOL Yes, because Muhammad Ali wasn't even a proper heavyweight by modern standard and would instead most likely be a cruiser weight or perhaps even a light heavyweight today, if he was boxing today. You do realize that during Ali's era, the minimum weight one was required to be was merely 176 pounds (lighter than today's female boxing heavyweight division) to be a heavyweight, right? Majority of Ali's bouts were against boxers who would be considered cruiser weights and light heavyweights today, based on their size. Larry Holmes has a better chance against modern heavyweights because he has more feats against modern sized heavyweights but Muhammad Ali was too small and majority of his opponents were too small to be even qualified as legitimate opponents for modern heavyweights like Anthony Joshua or the Klitschkos. Just because I have a different inference on something (based on actual facts) compared to you, doesn't mean I'm trolling. I have reasons for why I concluded what I concluded.

I stopped reading when You listed “BETTER LISTENER COMING OUT OF THEIR CORNERS” as a common boxing attribute (p.s Lennox and Emmanuel Steward we’re in sync like no others) it’s good to see you try and speak English, but before you do you should watch more boxing. I’m sorry to burst your bubble (it’s an expression meaning I think you’re stupid basically) but Anthony Joshua right now vs. Mid to late 1990’s gets destroyed. If amateurs, dillan whyte & a 40 year old Wlad can have him down and out, Lennox would retire him. Do you even know who Lennox Lewis is? Only thing you slap is that sorry excuse between your legs. Joshua better than Lennox Lewis... LOL best troll ever, or the reason why you can’t discuss boxing intellectually online anymore. he's not a troll hes a total lunatic who's in love with AJ's BBC, he actually claimed AJ 'was the GOAT'... seriously, and this was before even beat an ancient Wlad :lol1: Any non casual fan knows Lennox would of splattered AJ inside 3 or 4 rounds. Don't block or ignore this guy, he is comedy gold lol.

Lennox Lewis also has been stopped, dropped, knocked out and beaten by inferior boxers compared to Joshua. Look, I'm not claiming Joshua is currently better than Lennox Lewis right now. That'd be a ridiculous claim to make for someone with only 20 bouts and with someone that has only fought 3 or 4 top level opponents. However, the only fair comparison we can make is that in 20 bouts and at age 28, Joshua has performed better and is better compared to Lennox Lewis when he was also 28 years of age with 20 bouts. However, Lennox Lewis OVERALL still CURRENTLY remains the better heavyweight compared to Joshua. That may change after Joshua retires. Also, Holmes and Ali were too small by modern standard and would get destroyed by modern heavyweights like Joshua or Lennox Lewis. Joshua would have destroyed Ali and Larry Holmes? A+ troll thread or you’re Eddie Hearn. Ali and Holmes destroyed by Joshua... LOL

So are you claiming Carlos Takam is as dissimilar to Evander Holyfield as say, Nikolai Valuev is compared to Evander Holyfield? I watched Holyfield for years, since the olympics. They are not one bit similar. Holyfield had skills, can slug, counter punch, box, jab and always had a killer instinct. Takam just sits there deflecting punches and tries to counter. He is more like Danny Garcia than Evander