Oleksandr Usyk vs Deontay Wilder from the Artur Szpilka bout at heavyweight

Every point you've made so far (against Oleksandr Usyk), I've countered them with a reverse argument which also applies to Deontay Wilder. You keep stating: Likewise, when Deontay Wilder's data against elite / best possible boxers are in, then we can see what his chances might be against such a level of opponent. Oleksandr Usyk has actually competed at super heavyweight already. And the quality of Wilder's heavyweight opponents aren't necessarily any better than the quality of Usyk's super heavyweight opponents in the amateurs and in the WSB.You are still not getting it! STOP with the speculation on how Usyk will do against heavyweights until he fights at heavyweight!!!! And only a fool would say Usyk has competed at super heavyweights because this is the PRO game, not the AM's! I already told you to come back when Usyk is fighting at heavyweight and you still continue with your obsessive/compulsive crap! I already told you I am done going in circles with you!!!!! Stop beating a dead horse! And dont respond to my email, I wont see any more of your self-entertainment useless drivel, I have better ways to spend my time, obviously you dont have better things to do than than going over and over and over again in circles! You are on ignore.

I've addressed them as they are, for your entertainment purposes only; nothing more, nothing less. Like I said, when Usyk's heavyweight data is in, then we can see what his chances might be. Every point you've made so far (against Oleksandr Usyk), I've countered them with a reverse argument which also applies to Deontay Wilder. You keep stating: "when Usyk's heavyweight data is in, then we can see what his chances might be." Likewise, when Deontay Wilder's data against elite / best possible boxers are in, then we can see what his chances might be against such a level of opponent. Oleksandr Usyk has actually competed at super heavyweight already. And the quality of Wilder's heavyweight opponents aren't necessarily any better than the quality of Usyk's super heavyweight opponents in the amateurs and in the WSB.

Agree to disagree my friend! No need for any hostility. I've made my points already and you've failed to address them. So let's leave the discussion as it is and end it here.I've addressed them as they are, for your entertainment purposes only; nothing more, nothing less. Like I said, when Usyk's heavyweight data is in, then we can see what his chances might be.

Save the long winded unconnected analogies for your self-entertainment purposes because Usyk is not a heavyweight yet. Again, you are clearly showing how new to boxing you are because Tyson and Steward are two entirely different fighters from Usyk and Wilder and EVERY FIGHT and EVERY FIGHTER creates a completely different set of dynamics! This point, as always, flies right over your head. Another point, Wilder is a heavyweight who has fought heavyweights in the pro game and Usyk is not a heavyweight yet! Come back when there is data sampling of Usyk in the heavyweight division and then re-evaluate his chances! I'm not going to keep wasting my time going around in circles with you. End of discussion. Agree to disagree my friend! No need for any hostility. I've made my points already and you've failed to address them. So let's leave the discussion as it is and end it here.

And Oleksandr Usyk is an exceptional boxer is what I'm stating to you. Usyk won the cruiser weight title in fewer bouts than any past cruiser weight champion in history. And if he wins the tournament that is currently taking place in the cruiser weight division, then he would've accomplished another unprecedented feat. When a boxer accomplishes such unprecedented feats and multiple of them, they have to be considered exceptionally talented and special boxers. Deontay Wilder's punching power is no more proven than Alex Stewart's at the elite level against the best boxers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Stewart_(boxer) Alex Stewart had a 100% knockout record in his first 24 bouts. When he had his first bout against one of the best heavyweight boxers at the time in Evander Holyfield, he was stopped in the 8th round. When he took on the second elite opponent in Mike Tyson, he was stopped in the first round. My point is, Deontay Wilder's punching power is almost totally unproven at the elite level against the best opponents. His knockout performances against lower level opponents has no relevance to how effective his punching power is going to be at the elite level against someone at the level of Oleksandr Usyk. No more than Alex Stewart's 100% knockout record having any relevance against the best opponents when he finally stepped up in competition to face two of the best opponents in Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield at the time, both guys that he lost to. Also, the height and reach difference between Oleksandr Usyk and Deontay Wilder is less than the height and reach difference between Mike Tyson and Alex Stewart. And Deontay Wilder isn't as good as true outside boxing specialists like the Klitschkos and Lennox Lewis at using his height and reach advantages. Oleksandr Usyk would stand a better chance at beating Wilder than most, if not all of Wilder's current opponents have had so far. Likewise, there isn't much data on how Wilder would perform against the best and elite opponents in his own weight division and how effective he would be against them. Deontay Wilder is no Wladimir Klitschko, or Vitali Klitschko, or Lennox Lewis when it comes to being proven champions. So your very claim about there not being any data on Usyk, can be used against you in Wilder's case since it is the same with Wilder too.Save the long winded unconnected analogies for your self-entertainment purposes because Usyk is not a heavyweight yet. Again, you are clearly showing how new to boxing you are because Tyson and Steward are two entirely different fighters from Usyk and Wilder and EVERY FIGHT and EVERY FIGHTER creates a completely different set of dynamics! This point, as always, flies right over your head. Another point, Wilder is a heavyweight who has fought heavyweights in the pro game and Usyk is not a heavyweight yet! Come back when there is data sampling of Usyk in the heavyweight division and then re-evaluate his chances! I'm not going to keep wasting my time going around in circles with you. End of discussion.

The Spinks and the Jones, etc., are exceptions, not the rule and they were not facing 6/7 heavyweights with unquestionably huge power. Wilder would be a big favorite to win for obvious reasons. I'll bet money on it. But there is no data in yet for Usyk till he beats top heavyweights to get the shot, till then, like a blood sample, the vile is empty. Re-evaluate AFTER he fights heavyweight fights, it is too premature at this point for make believe. The Spinks and the Jones, etc., are exceptions, not the rule And Oleksandr Usyk is an exceptional boxer is what I'm stating to you. Usyk won the cruiser weight title in fewer bouts than any past cruiser weight champion in history. And if he wins the tournament that is currently taking place in the cruiser weight division, then he would've accomplished another unprecedented feat. When a boxer accomplishes such unprecedented feats and multiple of them, they have to be considered exceptionally talented and special boxers. and they were not facing 6/7 heavyweights with unquestionably huge power. Deontay Wilder's punching power is no more proven than Alex Stewart's at the elite level against the best boxers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Stewart_(boxer) Alex Stewart had a 100% knockout record in his first 24 bouts. When he had his first bout against one of the best heavyweight boxers at the time in Evander Holyfield, he was stopped in the 8th round. When he took on the second elite opponent in Mike Tyson, he was stopped in the first round. My point is, Deontay Wilder's punching power is almost totally unproven at the elite level against the best opponents. His knockout performances against lower level opponents has no relevance to how effective his punching power is going to be at the elite level against someone at the level of Oleksandr Usyk. No more than Alex Stewart's 100% knockout record having any relevance against the best opponents when he finally stepped up in competition to face two of the best opponents in Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield at the time, both guys that he lost to. Also, the height and reach difference between Oleksandr Usyk and Deontay Wilder is less than the height and reach difference between Mike Tyson and Alex Stewart. And Deontay Wilder isn't as good as true outside boxing specialists like the Klitschkos and Lennox Lewis at using his height and reach advantages. Wilder would be a big favorite to win for obvious reasons. Oleksandr Usyk would stand a better chance at beating Wilder than most, if not all of Wilder's current opponents have had so far. But there is no data in yet for Usyk till he beats top heavyweights to get the shot, Likewise, there isn't much data on how Wilder would perform against the best and elite opponents in his own weight division and how effective he would be against them. Deontay Wilder is no Wladimir Klitschko, or Vitali Klitschko, or Lennox Lewis when it comes to being proven champions. So your very claim about there not being any data on Usyk, can be used against you in Wilder's case since it is the same with Wilder too.

To be fair, you do have an acceptable point in claiming that because Oleksandr Usyk hasn't competed as much or proven himself as much at heavyweight and that therefore, you are not fully confident in his chances against some of the heavyweights. That's totally fine by me. And I also don't have any problem with anybody picking Deontay Wilder to win. However, my point is that it is ridiculous to think of this match up as a mismatch. Or that Oleksandr Usyk doesn't stand a respectable chance of winning. Or that it is too far fetched to think that Oleksandr Usyk could beat Deontay Wilder. I personally would make Wilder the slight favorite if they both fought each other at heavyweight in Usyk's first bout there. However, with a few tune up bouts for Usyk, it'd be the opposite. Deontay Wilder himself hasn't proven himself much against the best opposition at heavyweight. So he isn't that proven in the heavyweight than Usyk is for example. And that Usyk would probably stand a better chance at beating Wilder than nearly every opponent Wilder has faced till now. You make the following claim: History is also littered with examples where the best boxer in a lighter weight division, moves up to challenge the best boxer in a higher weight division, and ends up being able to beat that boxer in the higher weight division. Even though prior to the lighter boxer fighting that heavier boxer, the lighter boxer may have never fought any other opponent with a similar knockout record, punching power or special abilities as the heavier boxer. They still end up managing to beat such an opponent in a higher weight division in their first attempt at boxing against an opponent with such abilities. For example, Michael Spinks did it against Larry Holmes and Roy Jones jr did it against John Ruiz. So Oleksandr Usyk can very well do it against Wilder too.The Spinks and the Jones, etc., are exceptions, not the rule and they were not facing 6/7 heavyweights with unquestionably huge power. Wilder would be a big favorite to win for obvious reasons. I'll bet money on it. But there is no data in yet for Usyk till he beats top heavyweights to get the shot, till then, like a blood sample, the vile is empty. Re-evaluate AFTER he fights heavyweight fights, it is too premature at this point for make believe.

There you go trying to skate around the facts I stated. Wilder has years of pro experience against heavyweights, Usyk has not even had a heavyweight debut. Again, your analogies are for your self-entertainment and nothing more. Who cares if Usyk is a better boxer than Szpilka?? History is littered with examples that this does not come into play because EVERY match up produces a different set of dynamics. Come back when Usyk has fought a top 10 heavyweight and there is more data to work off of. Are you willing to bet $1,000 with real money IF they fight. To be fair, you do have an acceptable point in claiming that because Oleksandr Usyk hasn't competed as much or proven himself as much at heavyweight and that therefore, you are not fully confident in his chances against some of the heavyweights. That's totally fine by me. And I also don't have any problem with anybody picking Deontay Wilder to win. However, my point is that it is ridiculous to think of this match up as a mismatch. Or that Oleksandr Usyk doesn't stand a respectable chance of winning. Or that it is too far fetched to think that Oleksandr Usyk could beat Deontay Wilder. I personally would make Wilder the slight favorite if they both fought each other at heavyweight in Usyk's first bout there. However, with a few tune up bouts for Usyk, it'd be the opposite. Deontay Wilder himself hasn't proven himself much against the best opposition at heavyweight. So he isn't that proven in the heavyweight than Usyk is for example. And that Usyk would probably stand a better chance at beating Wilder than nearly every opponent Wilder has faced till now. You make the following claim: History is littered with examples that this does not come into play because EVERY match up produces a different set of dynamics. History is also littered with examples where the best boxer in a lighter weight division, moves up to challenge the best boxer in a higher weight division, and ends up being able to beat that boxer in the higher weight division. Even though prior to the lighter boxer fighting that heavier boxer, the lighter boxer may have never fought any other opponent with a similar knockout record, punching power or special abilities as the heavier boxer. They still end up managing to beat such an opponent in a higher weight division in their first attempt at boxing against an opponent with such abilities. For example, Michael Spinks did it against Larry Holmes and Roy Jones jr did it against John Ruiz. So Oleksandr Usyk can very well do it against Wilder too.

Usyk is soft as cotton. Minchu(or whatever that bum's name his) hurt him with a SLAP..he covered-up and didn't punch for 30 seconds. Wilder would hospitalize that guy.:boxing: ...and if h he could beat Wilder he sure as hell can beat Joshua. Usyk is soft as cotton. 1) 85% Knockout record suggests otherwise. 2) He has never been stopped in his amateur or pro career combined, spanning hundreds upon hundreds of bouts. Ergo, disproving that above statement of yours once again. 3) I challenge you to take his most powerful punches and then come back to tell us the results as to how 'soft' the effect of those punches are. Show us the results and effects of those punches and then we can deduce how 'soft' those punches really are. Minchu(or whatever that bum's name his) hurt him with a SLAP..he covered-up and didn't punch for 30 seconds. Oleksandr Usyk got slightly hurt in a professional boxing bout which involves two competitors punching each other. Wow! What a shocker! On the other hand, Deontay Wilder has been dropped, stunned and suffered a devastating knockout loss in Russia to his master, annihilator and his rapist named Evgeny Romanov that happens to be a 6 foot 1 heavyweight. Whilst Usyk has never been stopped in his entire amateur or pro career combined out of hundreds of bouts. Thus, getting slightly hurt by Mchunu is better than being knocked down and out brutally by Evgeny Romanov. Wilder would hospitalize that guy. Possible, but not very likely. and if h he could beat Wilder he sure as hell can beat Joshua. False equivalence!

Him and his skills should be at HW if he's all that. His ass is a CW for a reason. Usyk is soft as cotton candy. Munchu hurt him with a SLAP. Like Kovalev....He won't fight on the inside....It's those candy-cane ribs. :lol1: The only fighter from that region willing fight on the inside is Ruslan Provodnikov....All the others are too sweet to go soul-searching in the trenches. It must be something in the water over there that gives them those soft precious little tummies..:lol1: Lomachenko looks at the ref everytime a shadow is cast over his ribs:rofl: I just don't know if Usyk could take a punch from Wilder or Joshua.

Usyk is more skilled than Wilder, but if Wilder lands a flush right hand, more than likely Usyk's going down.

Usyk couldnt take a bomb from Wilder. He needs to fight the perfect fight but i doubt it.

The poll results show how anti American the Ts (Mr Stupidity) and his ilk are. Usyk flat out doesn't have the power to keep Wilder off him. Wilder puts his lights out inside of 6 rounds.

I'm not new to the sport. I've been involved with boxing for longer than you may think. It doesn't matter when most of the heavyweights in the pros aren't any better than the super heavyweight boxers that Oleksandr Usyk has already fought and beat in the WSB tournament and in the amateurs. You could argue that the absolute best heavyweights like Anthony Joshua, Wladimir Klitschko, Kubrat Pulev, Alexander Povetkin, Luis Ortiz (although he is extremely old now with extreme inactivity) and Tyson Fury are levels above any super heavyweights that Usyk fought in the amateurs or in the WSB. However, Deontay Wilder himself is yet to take on any opponent that are of the level of the boxers I've mentioned. So Wilder is just as untested against such opponents as Usyk is, despite the fact that Wilder has fought in the heavyweight division more often. Who is Deontay Wilder's best opponent up till now? Bermane Stiverne? How exactly is he better than someone like Mihai Nistor that Oleksandr Usyk beat in the amateurs? Or Artur Szpilka? How is he any better than Glowacki? You get the point! Also, I know that a lighter puncher can KO a specific opponent quicker than some heavier punchers. That wasn't my point. My point about Artur Szpilka being stopped before facing Wilder and after facing Wilder by low level opposition is evidence of Szpilka having a weak, suspect chin. Since he has already been stopped 3 times. On the other hand, Usyk has never been stopped in his amateur or pro career. Despite having hundreds upon hundreds of bouts and he must have fought many different opponent, including power punchers at some point who rival Wilder in terms of punch power or at least come close to it. My main point is that if someone like Artur Szpilka, who is the closest stylistically to Usyk that Wilder has ever faced in his boxing career, was able to not just last 10 rounds with Wilder, but was also able to out-box Wilder and be ahead in the scorecards going to the 10th round. Why couldn't Usyk, who is superior to Szpilka in every department, do even better by lasting 12 rounds and then winning a decision? My argument is based on styles and if Wilder struggled as much against Artur Szpilka due to his style, how is he going to struggle any less against Usyk who is better than Szpilka in every department and also has a more proven chin? I agree that Usyk MAY have never faced a 6 foot 7 power puncher like Deontay Wilder. However, Wilder has also never faced a boxer who is anywhere near as skilled, slick, athletic and technical as Usyk. So both are going to be facing an opponent they've never faced before. However, Artur Szpilka never faced a power puncher or a boxer like Wilder but managed to still out-box Wilder and be ahead after 10 rounds before getting caught by a knockout punch when he did face Wilder. So it's not so far fetched to think that Usyk couldn't go a step or more further by pulling out a decision victory when Szpilka gave Wilder that much trouble. I know analogies aren't hundred percent accurate but my analysis is based on styles and their performances against relevant styles. There is no way in hell that Szpilka is a better boxer than Usyk and if Szpilka had as much success as he did against Wilder, then chances are, Usyk is likely to do even better. Of course though, Wilder ALWAYS has a puncher's chance regardless!There you go trying to skate around the facts I stated. Wilder has years of pro experience against heavyweights, Usyk has not even had a heavyweight debut. Again, your analogies are for your self-entertainment and nothing more. Who cares if Usyk is a better boxer than Szpilka?? History is littered with examples that this does not come into play because EVERY match up produces a different set of dynamics. Come back when Usyk has fought a top 10 heavyweight and there is more data to work off of. Are you willing to bet $1,000 with real money IF they fight.

It DOES matter if a fighter has NEVER fought a huge top 5 heavyweight in the Pro's, especially one who is 6'7 with crushing power. And comparing how long a fighter like Szpilka lasted with Wilder is lame proven by the fact that even many huge punchers were unable to stop a guy where a lighter hitter knocked out the same guy just like Triangle theories dont count and many other such inconsistencies. Since you are new to the sport, as you become familiar with the sport, you will realize your analogies and theories are for entertainment purposes only and have no bearing on what happens when fighters step into the ring. If they fight, I'll put $1,000 up in a bet with you. I'm not new to the sport. I've been involved with boxing for longer than you may think. It doesn't matter when most of the heavyweights in the pros aren't any better than the super heavyweight boxers that Oleksandr Usyk has already fought and beat in the WSB tournament and in the amateurs. You could argue that the absolute best heavyweights like Anthony Joshua, Wladimir Klitschko, Kubrat Pulev, Alexander Povetkin, Luis Ortiz (although he is extremely old now with extreme inactivity) and Tyson Fury are levels above any super heavyweights that Usyk fought in the amateurs or in the WSB. However, Deontay Wilder himself is yet to take on any opponent that are of the level of the boxers I've mentioned. So Wilder is just as untested against such opponents as Usyk is, despite the fact that Wilder has fought in the heavyweight division more often. Who is Deontay Wilder's best opponent up till now? Bermane Stiverne? How exactly is he better than someone like Mihai Nistor that Oleksandr Usyk beat in the amateurs? Or Artur Szpilka? How is he any better than Glowacki? You get the point! Also, I know that a lighter puncher can KO a specific opponent quicker than some heavier punchers. That wasn't my point. My point about Artur Szpilka being stopped before facing Wilder and after facing Wilder by low level opposition is evidence of Szpilka having a weak, suspect chin. Since he has already been stopped 3 times. On the other hand, Usyk has never been stopped in his amateur or pro career. Despite having hundreds upon hundreds of bouts and he must have fought many different opponent, including power punchers at some point who rival Wilder in terms of punch power or at least come close to it. My main point is that if someone like Artur Szpilka, who is the closest stylistically to Usyk that Wilder has ever faced in his boxing career, was able to not just last 10 rounds with Wilder, but was also able to out-box Wilder and be ahead in the scorecards going to the 10th round. Why couldn't Usyk, who is superior to Szpilka in every department, do even better by lasting 12 rounds and then winning a decision? My argument is based on styles and if Wilder struggled as much against Artur Szpilka due to his style, how is he going to struggle any less against Usyk who is better than Szpilka in every department and also has a more proven chin? I agree that Usyk MAY have never faced a 6 foot 7 power puncher like Deontay Wilder. However, Wilder has also never faced a boxer who is anywhere near as skilled, slick, athletic and technical as Usyk. So both are going to be facing an opponent they've never faced before. However, Artur Szpilka never faced a power puncher or a boxer like Wilder but managed to still out-box Wilder and be ahead after 10 rounds before getting caught by a knockout punch when he did face Wilder. So it's not so far fetched to think that Usyk couldn't go a step or more further by pulling out a decision victory when Szpilka gave Wilder that much trouble. I know analogies aren't hundred percent accurate but my analysis is based on styles and their performances against relevant styles. There is no way in hell that Szpilka is a better boxer than Usyk and if Szpilka had as much success as he did against Wilder, then chances are, Usyk is likely to do even better. Of course though, Wilder ALWAYS has a puncher's chance regardless!

You are grossly overrating Wilder's power. To this day he has 0 KO wins at the world level. He went to war with Molina, had a tough night again duapas and was losing against Szpilka. Yeah he eventually got the stoppages in all those fights but none of those guys are approaching Povetkin, Pulev and ultimately AJ level of class in the sport. If Wilder is going that long with cans, regardless of size, why do you think he all of a sudden becomes a one punch killer with Usyk? People tend to forget there isn't that much between being a 199lb and a heavyweight. Cruisers are big guys and at can punch themselves. Simply stating Wilder has power isnt enough to justify predicting a Wilder win.Power, height, reach, weight, acclimation to heavyweights. Wilder has acclimated his entire career, lets see what happens when Usyk even fights just a couple top heavyweights...right now, there is only speculation and nothing more how he will do at heavyweight - that means the data is inconclusive for him since he hasnt done it yet. If you knock out 39 heavyweights out of 40 fights, you are a concussive puncher, that is not up for debate. I have money on Wilder if they fight.

It DOES matter if a fighter has NEVER fought a huge top 5 heavyweight in the Pro's, especially one who is 6'7 with crushing power. And comparing how long a fighter like Szpilka lasted with Wilder is lame proven by the fact that even many huge punchers were unable to stop a guy where a lighter hitter knocked out the same guy just like Triangle theories dont count and many other such inconsistencies. Since you are new to the sport, as you become familiar with the sport, you will realize your analogies and theories are for entertainment purposes only and have no bearing on what happens when fighters step into the ring. If they fight, I'll put $1,000 up in a bet with you. You are grossly overrating Wilder's power. To this day he has 0 KO wins at the world level. He went to war with Molina, had a tough night again duapas and was losing against Szpilka. Yeah he eventually got the stoppages in all those fights but none of those guys are approaching Povetkin, Pulev and ultimately AJ level of class in the sport. If Wilder is going that long with cans, regardless of size, why do you think he all of a sudden becomes a one punch killer with Usyk? People tend to forget there isn't that much between being a 199lb and a heavyweight. Cruisers are big guys and at can punch themselves. Simply stating Wilder has power isnt enough to justify predicting a Wilder win.

Wilder would lose to Usyk tomorrow imo.

It doesn't matter. Amateur or pro, he has fought super heavyweights and has beaten them. Including super heavyweights like Mihai Nistor who stopped Anthony Joshua. Experience is experience. And most heavyweights today, except the absolute best ones aren't really better than the super heavyweights that Usyk had already beat. It doesn't matter that Charr has a 50% knockout record and that he is 6 foot 3. He is still a heavyweightchampion and the fact that a natural cruiser weight in Maris Breidis, who was outweighed by well 20 pounds or more, knocked Manuel Charr out unconscious is mightily impressive. This only proves the quality of the cruiser weight division. Even if Breidis were to lose to Wilder, he would still be one of Wilder's best opponents to date and be significantly better than some of the competition Wilder has been boxing against. Artur Szpilka is nowhere near as good as Usyk and Wilder was out-boxed for in most rounds rounds by Szpilka out of the 10 rounds. Szpilka already proved he has a suspect chin by previously being stopped by Bryant Jenning and then later on by a domestic level opponent in 4 rounds. Wilder took 10 rounds to KO Szpilka. On the other hand, Usyk has never been stopped in his boxing career, pro or amateurs. Also, Usyk is naturally just as big, if not bigger in size than Szpilka. If Szpilka were to lose his fat, he would also be a cruiser weight today and would get out-boxed and probably knocked out by some of the top cruiser weights like Usyk.It DOES matter if a fighter has NEVER fought a huge top 5 heavyweight in the Pro's, especially one who is 6'7 with crushing power. And comparing how long a fighter like Szpilka lasted with Wilder is lame proven by the fact that even many huge punchers were unable to stop a guy where a lighter hitter knocked out the same guy just like Triangle theories dont count and many other such inconsistencies. Since you are new to the sport, as you become familiar with the sport, you will realize your analogies and theories are for entertainment purposes only and have no bearing on what happens when fighters step into the ring. If they fight, I'll put $1,000 up in a bet with you.

I'm talking Usyk's pro experience at the top levels of the pro game against huge heavyweights. He hasnt been there yet. And Charr has less than a 50% KO record and is 6'3 which doesnt compare to Wilder who is 6/7 and hits twice as hard. Briedas would get badly damaged if that was Wilder he was fighting. I would put money on Wilder against Either guy. It doesn't matter. Amateur or pro, he has fought super heavyweights and has beaten them. Including super heavyweights like Mihai Nistor who stopped Anthony Joshua. Experience is experience. And most heavyweights today, except the absolute best ones aren't really better than the super heavyweights that Usyk had already beat. It doesn't matter that Charr has a 50% knockout record and that he is 6 foot 3. He is still a heavyweightchampion and the fact that a natural cruiser weight in Maris Breidis, who was outweighed by well 20 pounds or more, knocked Manuel Charr out unconscious is mightily impressive. This only proves the quality of the cruiser weight division. Even if Breidis were to lose to Wilder, he would still be one of Wilder's best opponents to date and be significantly better than some of the competition Wilder has been boxing against. Artur Szpilka is nowhere near as good as Usyk and Wilder was out-boxed for in most rounds rounds by Szpilka out of the 10 rounds. Szpilka already proved he has a suspect chin by previously being stopped by Bryant Jenning and then later on by a domestic level opponent in 4 rounds. Wilder took 10 rounds to KO Szpilka. On the other hand, Usyk has never been stopped in his boxing career, pro or amateurs. Also, Usyk is naturally just as big, if not bigger in size than Szpilka. If Szpilka were to lose his fat, he would also be a cruiser weight today and would get out-boxed and probably knocked out by some of the top cruiser weights like Usyk.