As of right now, who would you rank higher, Vitali or GGG

That's all you can do. Throw emoticons because the facts speak for themselves. There is not a heavyweight with a better REAL heavyweight record at 200 pounds + (when boxers weigh above 200 pounds) than Wladimir Klitschko. After that, you can't name any boxer who is more worthy for the number 2 spot than either Vitali Klitschko or Lennox Lewis. At middleweight, Golovkin's record speaks for itself. He has one of the highest win / loss ratio at 160 pounds. He has one of the highest KO ratio at 160 pounds. These are all facts! Though sure, someone like you isn't able to differentiate between what is subjective and what is objective. So no surprises for your bullet point primitive responses. :rofl::rofl:

ggg just beat the top 3 in his division(before saunders beat lemiuex) vitali never did that.

Heavyweights might be able to beat boxers from lower weight divisions strictly because of size. But that doesn't measure their true quality as a fighting man which is what P4P is for. When a heavyweight's quality is good and he is skillful he will be ranked P4P. When his quality and skill are relatively poor (for example Valuev) then he won't be ranked, even if he could technically beat a Lomachenko in the ring due to his size advantage. Well, that is my point. The best / most skilled heavyweight will almost never be more skilled than the best / most skilled welterweight, feather, bantamweight and etc. Heavyweight bouts aren't decided by 'skills' as much as bouts in other weight divisions are. Heavyweight boxing is more about physical strength and punching power. Also because a boxer can outweigh his opponent by an unlimited amount, to the point where skills become less relevant than in other weight divisions where boxers usually weigh the same, which is when skills matter the most. Even if you get the most skilled heavyweight in the world. They are unlikely to be more skilled than the most skilled sub-heavyweights like Lomachenko, Rigondeaux, Pacquiao, Mayweather and etc because even the most skilled heavyweight is going to be slower, less coordinated and overall less versatile than the best / most skilled sub-heavyweights. So a heavyweight can almost never be ranked number 1 pound for pound in terms of skills as the heaviest boxers aren't going to have the luxury of being as skilled due to more physical mass.

vitali shined in a dull division

Jacobs, brook and Canelo. Lmao @ you counting a ww that lifted him off his feet and canelo made him look like an amatuer and made him miss at an all time high in his career. The truth is, whern golovkin stepped up, he looked just ordinary... he's beaten Jacobs... canelo was a draw, brook was expected to lose and fought his last fight back at ww.

Again, it's totally subjective and means nothing. Heavyweights don't need to be ranked in the pound for pound ranking. The best heavyweight destroys the best boxers from any other lower weight division, except maybe the cruiser weights. Heavyweights might be able to beat boxers from lower weight divisions strictly because of size. But that doesn't measure their true quality as a fighting man which is what P4P is for. When a heavyweight's quality is good and he is skillful he will be ranked P4P. When his quality and skill are relatively poor (for example Valuev) then he won't be ranked, even if he could technically beat a Lomachenko in the ring due to his size advantage.

I’ve read 6 pages of this thread and no one can tell me who Vitality beat. Golovkin beat a very impressive Danny Jacobs and drew with a fighter who will end up going down as an ATG in Canelo Alvarez, a fight that the majority of fans and boxing experts believe Golovkin actually won. Now all that being the case, can someone, anyone tell me who of note Vitali actually won against?

wtf???? lol how?? please explain this..anything over 200 is heavyweight right? What I mean is, if we exclude all the bouts where boxers weighed below 200 pounds. The heavyweight division started at 176 pounds during Ali's era. Which wouldn't be considered heavyweight today by modern standard. Boxers like Ali and Frazier had a reputation for competing against opponents that weighed below 200 pounds who would've been considered 'heavyweights' then but not now. If we delete such opponents from their record, their record is inferior to Povetkin's. bullsh1t Tyson was ranked p4p #1 and Wlad was top 10 p4p Again, it's totally subjective and means nothing. Heavyweights don't need to be ranked in the pound for pound ranking. The best heavyweight destroys the best boxers from any other lower weight division, except maybe the cruiser weights. An Ukrainian organisation had Wladimir Klitschko ranked pound for pound number 1. So what?

1) Heavyweights don't get ranked pound for pound. Nor do they need to be ranked pound for pound. That's the whole purpose of the heavyweight division. Which is that the best heavyweight in the world is by default the best boxer in the world, period. Boxers from lower weight divisions need to get ranked pound for pound to make them feel better about themselves because in a real contest, they stand no chance against the best heavyweight in the world. 2) Who decides what a hall of famer is? Americans! Exactly! Ergo, what relevance does a boxer being in the hall of fame have? Alexander Povetkin has a better REAL heavyweight record than any heavyweight of the 1970's but isn't inducted in the hall of fame. So what? Hall of fame isn't any more significant than a Ukrainian establishment naming their own hall of fame boxers. 3) Who decides who is an ATG? What is the official rule / criteria to become an ATG? I'll await! wtf???? lol how?? please explain this..anything over 200 is heavyweight right?

1) Heavyweights don't get ranked pound for pound. Nor do they need to be ranked pound for pound. That's the whole purpose of the heavyweight division. Which is that the best heavyweight in the world is by default the best boxer in the world, period. Boxers from lower weight divisions need to get ranked pound for pound to make them feel better about themselves because in a real contest, they stand no chance against the best heavyweight in the world. 2) Who decides what a hall of famer is? Americans! Exactly! Ergo, what relevance does a boxer being in the hall of fame have? Alexander Povetkin has a better REAL heavyweight record than any heavyweight of the 1970's but isn't inducted in the hall of fame. So what? Hall of fame isn't any more significant than a Ukrainian establishment naming their own hall of fame boxers. 3) Who decides who is an ATG? What is the official rule / criteria to become an ATG? I'll await! bullsh1t Tyson was ranked p4p #1 and Wlad was top 10 p4p

Stop, please stop...name 1 ATG,p4p fighter or hall of famer either beat..just one!!!!! same with GGG..i'll wait 1) Heavyweights don't get ranked pound for pound. Nor do they need to be ranked pound for pound. That's the whole purpose of the heavyweight division. Which is that the best heavyweight in the world is by default the best boxer in the world, period. Boxers from lower weight divisions need to get ranked pound for pound to make them feel better about themselves because in a real contest, they stand no chance against the best heavyweight in the world. 2) Who decides what a hall of famer is? Americans! Exactly! Ergo, what relevance does a boxer being in the hall of fame have? Alexander Povetkin has a better REAL heavyweight record than any heavyweight of the 1970's but isn't inducted in the hall of fame. So what? Hall of fame isn't any more significant than a Ukrainian establishment naming their own hall of fame boxers. 3) Who decides who is an ATG? What is the official rule / criteria to become an ATG? I'll await!

That's all you can do. Throw emoticons because the facts speak for themselves. There is not a heavyweight with a better REAL heavyweight record at 200 pounds + (when boxers weigh above 200 pounds) than Wladimir Klitschko. After that, you can't name any boxer who is more worthy for the number 2 spot than either Vitali Klitschko or Lennox Lewis. At middleweight, Golovkin's record speaks for itself. He has one of the highest win / loss ratio at 160 pounds. He has one of the highest KO ratio at 160 pounds. These are all facts! Though sure, someone like you isn't able to differentiate between what is subjective and what is objective. So no surprises for your bullet point primitive responses. Stop, please stop...name 1 ATG,p4p fighter or hall of famer either beat..just one!!!!! same with GGG..i'll wait

:haha::rofl::rofl::rofl:: That's all you can do. Throw emoticons because the facts speak for themselves. There is not a heavyweight with a better REAL heavyweight record at 200 pounds + (when boxers weigh above 200 pounds) than Wladimir Klitschko. After that, you can't name any boxer who is more worthy for the number 2 spot than either Vitali Klitschko or Lennox Lewis. At middleweight, Golovkin's record speaks for itself. He has one of the highest win / loss ratio at 160 pounds. He has one of the highest KO ratio at 160 pounds. These are all facts! Though sure, someone like you isn't able to differentiate between what is subjective and what is objective. So no surprises for your bullet point primitive responses.

Vitali Klitschko is the second greatest heavyweight of all time behind his brother Wladimir Klitschko. Gennady Golovkin is the greatest middleweight of all time. So who is better depends upon which accomplishment you value more. For me, being the best heavyweight in the world is the ultimate accomplishment for the sport of boxing since you represent the entire sport. Essentially, Gennady Golovkin is a Wladimir Klitschko and a Vitali Klitschko hybrid. He has the chin and the punch output of Vitali Klitschko and the technical ability of Wladimir Klitschko. A Vitali and Wladimir Klitshcko hybrid in the heavyweight division would resemble something like Gennady Golovkin. :haha::rofl::rofl::rofl::

I saw the fight and scored it live. Like most observers, I had it for GGG. Media scorecards were: https://tinyurl.com/ya6lvxy2 117 for GGG, 21 draw, 9 for Canelo. That is 80% for GGG. You post a 10-min highlight video of a 36-min fight ... and the 10 minutes isn't real time, it's slow motion of maybe 4 minutes of the fight. Even that is showing not much by Canelo, often hitting hips, swinging & missing, getting hit, etc. Regardless, a highlight video is meaningless. I'm sure you've seen Pac beat Mayweather according to some slowmotion highlight vids. That's just as laughable. why do you say GGG won??? just wondering to be honest..

Golvokin and it's not close. Who did vitali actually beat? All i want is one name, no ifs or buts. He lost a dog fight to a 40 year old. Who cares about a boxer's name? What matters is the boxer's record. Name me one boxer who qualified as the best possible opponent Vitali Klitschko avoided outside his younger brother Wladimir Klitschko? In terms of REAL heavyweight record (when boxers weigh 200 pounds or more), Vitali Klitschko's resume / record ranks only behind Wladimir Klitschko and perhaps Lennox Lewis. Otherwise, it's better than everybody else's.

Vitali Klitschko is the second greatest heavyweight of all time behind his brother Wladimir Klitschko. Gennady Golovkin is the greatest middleweight of all time. So who is better depends upon which accomplishment you value more. For me, being the best heavyweight in the world is the ultimate accomplishment for the sport of boxing since you represent the entire sport. Essentially, Gennady Golovkin is a Wladimir Klitschko and a Vitali Klitschko hybrid. He has the chin and the punch output of Vitali Klitschko and the technical ability of Wladimir Klitschko. A Vitali and Wladimir Klitshcko hybrid in the heavyweight division would resemble something like Gennady Golovkin.

Vitali. His loss to Lewis is better than anything Golovkin has done so far.

Maybe you should take your own advice.. I saw the fight and scored it live. Like most observers, I had it for GGG. Media scorecards were: https://tinyurl.com/ya6lvxy2 117 for GGG, 21 draw, 9 for Canelo. That is 80% for GGG. You post a 10-min highlight video of a 36-min fight ... and the 10 minutes isn't real time, it's slow motion of maybe 4 minutes of the fight. Even that is showing not much by Canelo, often hitting hips, swinging & missing, getting hit, etc. Regardless, a highlight video is meaningless. I'm sure you've seen Pac beat Mayweather according to some slowmotion highlight vids. That's just as laughable.

Why didn't you vote in a poll you started? That's strange. Go ahead and pick a winner and tell us why you picked him please. Because I wanna see what the general opinion is..It is not about me