Loma vs floyd

Glad to know your another someone to avoid when it comes to a serious boxing discussion! Thanks a lot Fat Fuk Dan Pizza Rafael!

The premise of this prediction is the following - Rigo was defensive, so Loma beating him demonstrates that he'd beat prime Floyd. Let me give you some good reasons that's a very bad premise: -1) Prime Pretty Boy Floyd wasn't really a straight up defensive fighter like Floyd Money Mayweather was after the return from the brief retirement -2) Rigo had the defensive statistics sure, but he only fought one quality fighter in his career and as such his defensive stats are padded against primarily low tier competition -3) Rigo was 37 and moving up in weight, neither would apply to a prime Floyd -4) In general, Rigo has proven much much less than Mayweather and beating Rigo cannot be compared to beating Mayweather simply because both are defensively oriented -5) Outside of being defensively minded fighters, their styles actually don't have that much in common. That wasn't actually the premise at all. What I stated is that I believe Loma could be a prime Floyd based on this, which i explained exactly why. Not whatever you said. Everyone here keeps on using uber general terms that don't differentiate anything. Oh, he was faster, taller, blah blah, he had great footwork, but so does 99% of all other pros. You could legit swap out names and it almost becomes synonymous with anyone. So let me rebute some of the points you made as you seem to be the most objective out of these people. Now knowing that your assumed premise was incorrect how will you reflect? I personally believe rigo was far overrated as a fighter and when using rigo I used him as a base line for what people believe. People believed he was good. He was a defensive master. Blah blah. Just like Floyd. People want to talk about the guy like he was invincible but the fact was he wasn't. I compared specific techniques that Loma faced that rigo specifically used. Some of these techniques Floyd uses. Another example. In this case Loma knew Rigo only had one punch. It's either a straight left or overhand left. Loma knew he didn't want to get hit with this punch so he completely neutralized it. He knew how to avoid and take it out before he faced it because he had seen it before. This is IQ. Loma has seen movements similar to floyds and he effectively should know how to counter it. Now back at Floyd. Sure, prime Floyd was a puncher too, but has he ever faced someone as defensively good as loma? Throwing more punches means opening yourself up for counters. What kind of good counter punchers did he face? Could he deal with a mobile target? These legit questions aren't even being answered

Floyd is far too talented to lose to someone he has a 7 inch reach advantage over. Think about that. Seven inches! Aside from that, as has been stated in this thread multiple times, Floyd was a different fighter at 130. He was much more offensive and had power in BOTH hands. He could flat out punch at 130! At the same time he had great legs, footwork, stamina, agility, and defense. His speed was also just as good as Loma's but with better reflexes. Rigo, while extremely talented, was small, old, and inactive. Using him as a way to legitimize Loma beating Floyd is not a fair comparison. Loma is a special fighter with unique tools, but no way does he walk out of that ring with a win against Pretty Boy Floyd. As an aside, I actually have lurked this site for years and have been registered for a while, but finally decided to post. Kudos to you for sparking that action. Lol

I'm glad you like Loma but comparing him to a fighter 50-0 that's proven himself over 20 years 5 weight classes is ignorant

If castillo can beat floyd just imagine what loma will do to a 130 prime floyd. Probably LOMA will make floyd quit like he did to rigo. Yeah cause Loma will overwhelm Floyd with his size and strength, enter the ring 15lbs heavier, mauling, and coming at Floyd like JC Chavez!

The premise of this prediction is the following - Rigo was defensive, so Loma beating him demonstrates that he'd beat prime Floyd. Let me give you some good reasons that's a very bad premise: -1) Prime Pretty Boy Floyd wasn't really a straight up defensive fighter like Floyd Money Mayweather was after the return from the brief retirement -2) Rigo had the defensive statistics sure, but he only fought one quality fighter in his career and as such his defensive stats are padded against primarily low tier competition -3) Rigo was 37 and moving up in weight, neither would apply to a prime Floyd -4) In general, Rigo has proven much much less than Mayweather and beating Rigo cannot be compared to beating Mayweather simply because both are defensively oriented -5) Outside of being defensively minded fighters, their styles actually don't have that much in common.

Rigo? Top 10 p4p on a lot of people's lists. Hailed as a defensive genius with amazing footwork and power. (Until Loma smoked him.) Actually has stats to back up those opinions too. Compubox defense numbers supposdly had him ranked right next to Loma in terms of defensive hit %. Rigo is very much Floyd like. Prefers to win a couple rounds and coast to victory. Primary defensive fighters. Use of crouching and leaning. Now, is he a clone? Absolutely not. But one would be lying to himself or herself if they were to say Rigo didn't showcase some of Floyds skills. Was he as good as floyd? Probably not. But loma showed he had the fundamentals to combat that style of combat. Now flip the script again. Want to show us a case where Floyd beat a Loma like fighter? stop, rigo is nothing like pretty boy floyd lmfao

It's the style not the fighter that I'm referencing. Sure, prime mayweather was faster and stronger than his older self, but his style is still the same. I don't see how anything he has ever shown us could lead to him over coming the things loma does. For instance, I believe that Ali probably wasn't the greatest ever and that prime Ali would get wrecked by prime Tyson. Ali would have height reach and weight all over Tyson but peekaboo was legit created to kill boxers with that style. Rope a dope? More like get pinned on the ropes and body shot to death. We know that Ali has had problems before with an inferior fighter in Frazier who use a similar style and here we got Tyson way younger, far more explosive, and powerful. And sure, the argument can be made that Ali could have handled Tysons power because he took foreman head on. But let's be real, foreman was no Tyson. In terms on speed and power. Foreman was a champion in his own right but his style was far different. Now apply to Loma vs Mayweather. Yes, I know it's way to early to say Loma is the greatest, but that's not what I'm saying. I'm merely saying if they were to hypothetically fight Loma would probably win in my opinion. Being the greatest doesn't mean that you are the best. Now apply to logic from above. People call Ali the greatest even though he wasn't necessarily the best boxer ever. He was great because of his legacy. Legacy is something mayweather has and Loma doesnt. But that doesn't mean Loma couldn't beat mayweather. I've given reasons why I think Loma would win, like technical reasons and showcases of ability to counter said abilities. No one has shown me why they think mayweather would win other than I didn't watch his fights (I did), or some variation bringing his legacy into this. Can someone show me how he countered someone using a high amount of feints? How he countered people who fought from similar angles? How he countered certain techniques Loma may use? Because I got none of that Stopped reading after the 1st paragraph, his style was not the same

Lmfao no chance Mayweather is bigger, stronger, significantly longer reach, more punching power, better defensively, just as fast if not faster, and more skillful than Loma. Loma would be at a disadvantage fighting a prime 130 floyd

It's like, how would Loma deal with Floyd? Me: He's shown the ability to fight taller fighters than him who have longer reach. He's shown that he can counter Floyd if he was to use his lean/pivot technique. Being a lefty reduces the effect if floyds philly shell. Loma natural movement to the right with his pivot skip puts Floyd in no man's land. Etc. What can Floyd do against Loma? You guys: floyd at 130 was a monster This is the argument right now. Like holy ****

Never have I ever seen Floyd deal with movement like Loma. Never have I ever seen Floyd deal with someone who takes the angles Loma does. Never have I ever seen someone push Floyd like a Loma would using the specific techniques I described and never have I seen him counter those abilities. It doesn't mean he couldn't. But there's just no proof he could. It's funny how people can't understand this

Rigo is 37 and a hamed sized, throws 10 punches a round. DIDNT EVEN TRY against Loma. You think Rigo fights anything like Floyd at 130-135, you are just admitting you never watched Floyd fight there. Floyd had big power in both hands, was 5-8 with a 72" reach. Everything you just said is subjective and your opinion. Rigo did try against Loma. What kind of evidence that suggests that you are correct in saying that he didn't? He signed the contract, talk to trash for 4 years made his own hashtag, not afraid, and had everyone probably including yourself on his Van Wagon before Loma and knocked it off the trail. I don't think saying Floyd is a monster is a valid argument because you didn't show how or that he would be able to counter techniques that loma would use against him. I have seen enough Floyd fights to know how he fights. That being said like most fans I have not seen every single fight and don't know all of his nuances. That's why I asked people to show me but apparently they just regurgitate **** they here without providing any information or evidence stating otherwise

Jose Luis Castillo. Castillo beat Floyd? Where? Castillo gave Floyd a hell of a fight. But he still lost to a one handed fighter...

Rigo? Top 10 p4p on a lot of people's lists. Hailed as a defensive genius with amazing footwork and power. (Until Loma smoked him.) Actually has stats to back up those opinions too. Compubox defense numbers supposdly had him ranked right next to Loma in terms of defensive hit %. Rigo is very much Floyd like. Prefers to win a couple rounds and coast to victory. Primary defensive fighters. Use of crouching and leaning. Now, is he a clone? Absolutely not. But one would be lying to himself or herself if they were to say Rigo didn't showcase some of Floyds skills. Was he as good as floyd? Probably not. But loma showed he had the fundamentals to combat that style of combat. Now flip the script again. Want to show us a case where Floyd beat a Loma like fighter? Rigo is 37 and a hamed sized, throws 10 punches a round. DIDNT EVEN TRY against Loma. You think Rigo fights anything like Floyd at 130-135, you are just admitting you never watched Floyd fight there. Floyd had big power in both hands, was 5-8 with a 72" reach.

IMHO loma will make floyd quit out of frustration just like what he did to a master boxer rigo.

I'm going to need to perform an in depth film study of both boxers at 130 pounds before I can pass judgement as to who would win in this hypothetical fantasy match up. At the moment, I have it 50/50 which could go either way. Both fairly even, offensively and defensively despite both being stylistically different from each other.

Rigo? Top 10 p4p on a lot of people's lists. Hailed as a defensive genius with amazing footwork and power. (Until Loma smoked him.) Actually has stats to back up those opinions too. Compubox defense numbers supposdly had him ranked right next to Loma in terms of defensive hit %. Rigo is very much Floyd like. Prefers to win a couple rounds and coast to victory. Primary defensive fighters. Use of crouching and leaning. Now, is he a clone? Absolutely not. But one would be lying to himself or herself if they were to say Rigo didn't showcase some of Floyds skills. Was he as good as floyd? Probably not. But loma showed he had the fundamentals to combat that style of combat. Now flip the script again. Want to show us a case where Floyd beat a Loma like fighter? Stop embarrassing yourself. You've clearly never seen Floyd at 130.

What Floyd like fighter has Loma beat? I didn't wanna stoop that low, but oh well.. Rigo? Top 10 p4p on a lot of people's lists. Hailed as a defensive genius with amazing footwork and power. (Until Loma smoked him.) Actually has stats to back up those opinions too. Compubox defense numbers supposdly had him ranked right next to Loma in terms of defensive hit %. Rigo is very much Floyd like. Prefers to win a couple rounds and coast to victory. Primary defensive fighters. Use of crouching and leaning. Now, is he a clone? Absolutely not. But one would be lying to himself or herself if they were to say Rigo didn't showcase some of Floyds skills. Was he as good as floyd? Probably not. But loma showed he had the fundamentals to combat that style of combat. Now flip the script again. Want to show us a case where Floyd beat a Loma like fighter?

I stopped reading right there. Floyd at 130 was a monster. No way. I'll not Red K you. Well you missed pretty much my whole argument while providing nothing in return to why exactly Mayweather was a monster other than he was. What exact reasons you expect Floyd to win? You listed none. How would Floyd counter Loma and what has he shown to show he can do said counters? Has he fought someone with a similar style and won? You listed nothing. Its no different for when Loma fought Rigo. Some of us thought Loma would dominate rigo easy. The reasons? Age. Hand speed. Size. And most importantly, style. Loma's style is in my opinion perfect for exposing defensive type boxer because unlike them, loma is creating offense by himself instead waiting to counter punch. A counter puncher like Floyd or rigo waits to counter. It's not the same as guys like Tyson. One makes you miss going forward the other back. But back to the point, Floyd will have to react to everything Loma throws even if he doesn't. Floyd isn't the brawler type boxer so he isn't gonna engage, he will wait for his moment. But loma has shown he can break people's rhythm with his feints. This is pretty much how he wins rounds with ring generalship . He makes you react knowing you will react. He leads the fight and dictates the pace. Again, see rigo. Rigo wanted to slow the pace down. He wanted steady, but anyone could see when Loma pushed the pace. Now you could say that Floyd can't have his rhythm broken, or hes the one leading the fight or etc, but you have to give examples of when and how. Does this make sense?

and what loma like fighters did floyd beat at 130? the speedy corrales? the matrix like genaro hernandez? slick justin juuko? What Floyd like fighter has Loma beat? I didn't wanna stoop that low, but oh well..