So Loma has only 11 fights under his belt....how fast is he to move?
I'm sure that those that dislike him would want him to jump to 140 tomorrow and get his ass whooped by TC....but he could have a much longer career if he slowly builds himself up top 140 and hey maybe even one day, if he is successful at 140 move to 147.
But as it stands what is he to do? Lets say he goes to 135 today, lets say he does fight Mikey at 135 then what? A fight or two there, now what? 140? Lets say he goes there and fights a solid fighter, now what?
It just doesn't seem to make sense for him to move too fast because eventually he will just get knocked out by someone much bigger and the potential to watch him for say 5 years giving some good fights can turn into 2-3 years of fighting.
Its also about making money...If he retires with 20 fights vs. 30 fights he makes a lot less money.
If he tries to unify divisions and do a defence here and there he can be around for much longer.
What do you think?
I remember watching some interview few years ago with him and he said that his absolute max would be welter.
I personally think he could make welter by the end of his career. Just looking at rankings there are enough guys at Welter that are 5'7" and not much over...and look at Manny, but I think Manny is a physically stronger guy.
It would just be strange to see Loma that beefed up. He is fast enough now to still be fast at welter...anyway this is all speculation and would be fun to see.
I guess we really need to see how well he goes up in weight.
IF he goes to 135 and fights Mikey by the end of 2018 and actually wins, and if he wins he doesn't show that he is troubled by weight against someone like Mikey who we know is legit even at 140 I think he has a future at higher divisions.
But he does need to make smart moves, if his ego gets the best of him then he will be in trouble.
I don't think Loma can do 140 so he'll most likely move up to 135 next year, prolly fight Salido to get his feet wet at 35 + avenge his only loss - kills two birds with one stone right there. Loma finishes his career at 135 and maybe with a big fight with Davis near the end.
When Adrien Broner was 135 after he destroyed DeMarco people wanted him to move up because their was nobody left who would be favorite to beat him.Loma is in the same situation their is nobody at 130 who would be favorite to beat him people want to see him challenged Loma might have move to 135 fight Mikey Garcia
He should never move up unless making 130 weakens him. As long as he can make 130 and be strong and fight at his best that is his correct weight and the weight he should stay at.If making 130 does weaken him then he should move up to 135. The idea that an excellent boxer who is very comfortable at the weight he is fighting at must move up to a weight class that is too heavy for him to fight men naturally heavier than him to dare to be great is a stupid one. It should be called dare to fight above your best weight to get your ass kicked. Let's say at 135 there is a boxer just as good as Loma but he is a natural 135 pound fighter. If Loma moves up to fight this guy he will lose not because that boxer was better but only because that boxer was bigger, Mayweather didn't move up from 130 to 147 to dare to be great. He moved up from each weight class when he outgrew that weight class and had trouble making weight. When he fought at 135 he had trouble making 130. When he fought at 147 he could no longer make 140. He failed to make the agreed 144 pound weight for Marquez and weighed 146. Ward moved to 175 when he could no longer make 168 and he said so. Donaire and Gonzalez kept moving up in weight again and again when they probably should not have and it got them knocked out by naturally heavier boxers.
so why did floyd go to 154? he went up to chase the biggest financial fight possible. same thing with mikey going to 140. same reason pacquiao moved up and same reason lomachenko will move up again.
money
He should try and fight a a champion next time out and then move up to 135 when no other champion will fight him. At 135 there's quite a few options like Linares who I think would face him and perhaps Mikey Garcia who I think doesn't want him. He should stay at 135 and unify and then try 140 when there's no more challenges left.
He's not a big guy at all and I'm confused as to why people think he should be at Welterweight.
Agreed. There are several good fights at 130 still. Even redemption against Orlando Salido is still possible. Berchelt and then Linares would be great for 2018. Thereafter he could just defend either of those Lineal titles.
Chuck Beltran in the middle for a damn fine year. 1. Lineal 130 2. Least fights to 3 weight world champion 3. Lineal 135
Those sort of accolades is whats hes interested in, wants something with every fight, not the Marriaga sort of fights, only Arums tightness holds him back.
Lomachenko got different goals to say Golovkin, Golovkins goal to dominate a division, Lomachenko wants the best possible fights he can get. Neither are the wrong career choice. Dont see Lomachenko hanging around at 130 if all Arum can provide him is that Japanese dude and his mandatory
Personally, I'd like to see him become undisputed champ at both 130 and 135, providing those other title holders are willing to fight him.
Agreed. There are several good fights at 130 still. Even redemption against Orlando Salido is still possible. Berchelt and then Linares would be great for 2018. Thereafter he could just defend either of those Lineal titles.
He should never move up unless making 130 weakens him. As long as he can make 130 and be strong and fight at his best that is his correct weight and the weight he should stay at.If making 130 does weaken him then he should move up to 135. The idea that an excellent boxer who is very comfortable at the weight he is fighting at must move up to a weight class that is too heavy for him to fight men naturally heavier than him to dare to be great is a stupid one. It should be called dare to fight above your best weight to get your ass kicked. Let's say at 135 there is a boxer just as good as Loma but he is a natural 135 pound fighter. If Loma moves up to fight this guy he will lose not because that boxer was better but only because that boxer was bigger, Mayweather didn't move up from 130 to 147 to dare to be great. He moved up from each weight class when he outgrew that weight class and had trouble making weight. When he fought at 135 he had trouble making 130. When he fought at 147 he could no longer make 140. He failed to make the agreed 144 pound weight for Marquez and weighed 146. Ward moved to 175 when he could no longer make 168 and he said so. Donaire and Gonzalez kept moving up in weight again and again when they probably should not have and it got them knocked out by naturally heavier boxers.
Mayweather isn't stupid. He as you say moved up when his body was ready for it. Some guys can make weight in their division their whole career.
Personally, I'd like to see him become undisputed champ at both 130 and 135, providing those other title holders are willing to fight him. Fighters cannot wait around a division forever for other title holders to fight them, so at some point he may have to jump up and down in divisions to get the fights he wants. Similar to what Mikey is doing right now.
He should never move up unless making 130 weakens him. As long as he can make 130 and be strong and fight at his best that is his correct weight and the weight he should stay at.If making 130 does weaken him then he should move up to 135. The idea that an excellent boxer who is very comfortable at the weight he is fighting at must move up to a weight class that is too heavy for him to fight men naturally heavier than him to dare to be great is a stupid one. It should be called dare to fight above your best weight to get your ass kicked. Let's say at 135 there is a boxer just as good as Loma but he is a natural 135 pound fighter. If Loma moves up to fight this guy he will lose not because that boxer was better but only because that boxer was bigger, Mayweather didn't move up from 130 to 147 to dare to be great. He moved up from each weight class when he outgrew that weight class and had trouble making weight. When he fought at 135 he had trouble making 130. When he fought at 147 he could no longer make 140. He failed to make the agreed 144 pound weight for Marquez and weighed 146. Ward moved to 175 when he could no longer make 168 and he said so. Donaire and Gonzalez kept moving up in weight again and again when they probably should not have and it got them knocked out by naturally heavier boxers.
Doesnt seem like anyone at 130 wants to fight him. Like to see him fight Berchelt for Lineal though, if he cant get that in the next 2 fights he should move up. Dont really wanna see anymore of these exhibition fights.
move to 130 in march. fight beltran for the wbo. then make a defense. then unify against mikey.
that should be his 2018 lineup.
he should spend at least 2 years at 135
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