BJS is the new Sweet Pea

:lol1: Should go through and make a list. I know Lawrence Cole the ref is the son or nephew of a judge- can't recall the judge's name. That would be a great thread. It's a family business in a lot of cases. And the 60,70,80 year old judges who can barely see, and they get big fights to officiate. Aren't Byrd and Ross married to other boxing officials as well. It would be good if we had a system where ex boxers can become judges and refs. Will help them in their post career, where a lot struggle and they will understand the game and have the respect of other boxers.

Yes, sir. Incentives always work. Nepotism or favoritism usually gets sh1tty results. But most people know this. Doing something about it is a different story. Got to laugh how many husbands and wives officials they are in boxing

It really is crazy that so many get away with illegal tactics. Maybe the refs should be retrained? I think I saw Donny Lalonde do the sticking hand out thing against Leonard way back in the day while watching their fight the other day. Lalonde got warned I think but of course, no point deduction. Ha. Verbal warning first, then a hard warning, then a point deduction, then a 2 point deduction then DQ. But usually the warnings are good enough for the fighter to stop doing illegal moves, then you get a clean fight, a better fight and a fair result. You look at most commissions and they use the same refs time and time again regardless of their performance. They need to have a system in place to improve standards and lets the best refs rise to the top and the bad one drop out of the game.

Sweet Pea Saunders has a nice ring to it. :lol1: He should run with this

Dumb ass mofo So you support cheating? Why am I not surprised

Good post, man. I thought it might be but wasn't sure. Thanks for clearing it up. I've seen the spitting the mouthpiece out rule violated many times, but I've seen refs take points, like in the first Corrales-Castillo fight. No problem, I hope some refs see it. Another that is not allowed but goes on in boxing without refs holding fighters to account is when fighters just stick one hand out to measure the opponent and throw the other. It is crazy that some fighters have made a their career on illegal boxing tactics.

Are the refs just incompetent? It's a joke how he got away with that. Before social media coverage they were able to officiate these contests however they wanted.

Lemieux was salty after the fight. His trainer pushing away Saunders was ugly.

A nice compliment to my new favorite boxer, welcome back to the stable! Mentioning Saunders in the same breath as the Great Sweet Pea is an honor for Saunders. He deserves it. Last night was something else. He better keep that shit up though. Never slack off again.

Oh, ok man. I wasn't sure if you were allowed to duck the head below the waistline. Oh I know. So many of these rules go unchecked. Loma gave the ultimate response- he called out every single thing Rigo tried to go to the ref AND he got him back. That's about as good as a fighter can do. Rigo quit because he couldn't get anything going by legal or illegal means. Really, in Rigo's fight with the one guy he headbutted and then knocked out right after, he seemed like a guy very comfortable with cheating. Anyway, I'm rambling. Good post and thanks! Rules of Boxing The rules of boxing vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and on whether it is an amateur or professional bout. A violation of the following rules is considered a foul, and can result in a warning, point deduction, or disqualification by the referee: You cannot hit below the belt, hold, trip, kick, headbutt, wrestle, bite, spit on, or push your opponent. You cannot hit with your head, shoulder, forearm, or elbow. You cannot hit with an open glove, the inside of the glove, the wrist, the backhand, or the side of the hand. You cannot punch your opponent's back, or the back of his head or neck (rabbit punch), or on the kidneys (kidney punch). You cannot throw a punch while holding on to the ropes to gain leverage. You can't hold your opponent and hit him at the same time, or duck so low that your head is below your opponent's belt line. When the referee breaks you from a clinch, you have to take a full step back; you cannot immediately hit your opponent--that's called "hitting on the break" and is illegal. You cannot spit out your mouthpiece on purpose to get a rest. If you score a knockdown of your opponent, you must go to the farthest neutral corner while the referee makes the count. If you "floor" your opponent, you cannot hit him when he's on the canvas. A floored boxer has up to ten seconds to get back up on his feet before losing the bout by knockout. A boxer who is knocked down cannot be saved by the bell in any round, depending upon the local jurisdiction's rules. A boxer who is hit with an accidental low blow has up to five minutes to recover. If s/he cannot continue after five minutes, s/he is considered knocked out. If the foul results in an injury that causes the fight to end immediately, the boxer who committed the foul is disqualified. If the foul causes an injury but the bout continues, the referee orders the judges to deduct two points from the boxer who caused the injury. If an unintentional foul causes the bout to be stopped immediately, the bout is ruled a "no contest" if four rounds have not been fully completed. (If the bout was scheduled for four rounds, then three rounds must have been completed.) If four rounds have been completed, the judges' scorecards are tallied and the fighter who is ahead on points is awarded a technical decision. If the scores are even, it will be called a "technical draw." If a boxer is knocked out of the ring, he gets a count of 20 to get back in and on his feet. He cannot be assisted. In some jurisdictions the standing eight-count or the three knockdown rule also may be in effect. In other jurisdictions, only the referee can stop the bout.

I'm not sure about the rules here. I mean, I know bending at the waist is illegal, but Whitaker's not really bending at the waist. He's bending the knees big time and ducking down for sure. Not really sure if he could be deducted for it. However, I don't see why guys kept falling for it. Loma stepping close to Rigo and making a mockery out of him was what guys should have been doing to Whitaker IMO. Not sure why no one did, unless he was just that damn fast. You cannot duck your head bellow your opponent waist line. Just like holding, the ref should first tell them about it, warn them, a hard warning then deduct a point if they persist. Also they are not allowed to show the back of their head to the opponent. So when Whitaker would turn and run he should have been cautioned for it What are the point of rules if they are not enforced Low blows, elbows, headbutts, holding, wrestling. They all take away from the pugilism of boxing the sweet science.

What are you talking about? http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m70v9z88ih1rvyuqxo1_400.gif :lol1: Are the refs just incompetent? It's a joke how he got away with that.

I guess I never understood why guys didn't follow through on him. I mean, if you're training to fight Whitaker, you KNOW he's going to dip low. Didn't anybody train for this? When he gets low, step right up on him and fire like Loma did to Rigo. I understand that Whitaker was fast, but if you knew he was about to do it, and you should have known from watching his vids over and over, why not train yourself to automatically get close and nail him or at least poke and prod him? Make him look like an ass. I don't know. It's crazy to me how no one did that. Maybe Sweet Pea WAS just too fast. Didn't look like it, doe. He was fast but still it looked like no one actually trained for his style. Even a younger Oscar was missing him a lot. Still don’t get why no one does what Nomas did with Rigo, go downstairs, Charlo did that with Lubin and KHTFO. When someone dips low then throw downstairs at them, no one is the matrix and they can be caught whilst bobbing and weaving down under.

:boxing: How 'bout that? Saunders doesn't duck bellow the waist line all the time. But he does turn his back and run away like sweet pea.

I think he is far more enjoyable to watch than Whitaker was. To each his own. Whitaker was much more defensive and more of a runner and he would get so low his knee would touch the canvas. The are both clever skilled southpaw boxers but they don't fight that much alike. Saunders has his own unique style as did Whitaker.

Most of the time, whenever someone is anointed the "new X", it's a dagger. I like the comparison, but happy for him to just be today's BJS.

Saunders is the man!

sounds about right :lol1:

Maybe Sweat Tea but he's no Sweet Pea.

Sweet Pea Saunders has a nice ring to it.