Oleksandr Usyk is superior to both Vasyl Lomachenko and Terence Crawford

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Crawford and Lomachenko are better than Usyk, but his Glowacki win is better than anything in their resumes

Well that is the difference of being promoted by Top Rank and K2 europe James Toney: "Bob Arum is the man ! Don King Kiss my @§$" USA isn't the be end and all end to everything.

Oleksandr Usyk should be pound for pound number 1. Especially after he clears up the cruiser weight division (one of the most stacked and competitive divisions in boxing today) by winning the world boxing super series tournament. Both Crawford and Lomachenko are inferior to the real boxing master who is Oleksandr Usyk. Well that is the difference of being promoted by Top Rank and K2 europe James Toney: "Bob Arum is the man ! Don King Kiss my @§$"

If he cleans up at Cruiserweight, you could make a case for him being near the top of the p4p list. The only problem is that there's not really any other fighters there that people consider a p4p fighter for him to fight to get him to the top of the list. That said, i don't put Crawford up there yet either. He cleaned out 140 without beating any genuinely top level fighters. Postol and Indongo are not A level or even B level. I think he's excellent though but the better fighters are at 147 and that's where he can truly establish himself as an elite fighter with great wins.

We can talk about this once he beats breides and gassiev like I expect he will

I do like how these Eastern Euros jump right in the fray though. Alot of them are holding straps at 10-11 fights, little to no padding of their records. I understand not everyone can do this but I like that these guys who have had long amateur careers aren't wasting much time in the pros. The likes of Usyk and Lomachenko fight in a foreign country USA. They probably want to make the most money and the best legacy as quickly as possible. When you're working in a foreign country you usually want to get straight to business right away, no time to fool around. It also helps if they can have the promoters that can push them. For example Golovkin spent years roaming all over Europe and his career wasn't going anywhere.

I do like how these Eastern Euros jump right in the fray though. Alot of them are holding straps at 10-11 fights, little to no padding of their records. I understand not everyone can do this but I like that these guys who have had long amateur careers aren't wasting much time in the pros.

Usyk is talented but not Loma/Crawford talented. It's interesting anyone thinks he is too small for HW though. The guy is 6'3". He could easily weigh in at 230 and be in good shape.

Yeah but all of those club fighters and journeymen are needed, it's called on the job training. Not every fighter has 400 amateur fights like Loma did. You do not go to 1st grade and start learning calculus, you start with basic math, what's 1+1, 2+2, 3+3, etc. In boxing is no different, in fact it's harder, because the repercussions of being ill prepared could leave you permanently injured. So yes, while Lomachenko having very few fillers in his resume is a great thing for him and his career, he also had 397 amateur fights, which is not a common thing. They are needed for some fighters and not for others. I was replying to people who think Loma's record doesn't deserve the P4P status because he's only had so few fights. In reality, most other fighters didn't have much more than 10 real fights either.

He's not as good as those two, nor has he fought at that level. There is Crawford and Lomachenko...and than there is everybody else.

Usyk is very good, there's no doubt about that but, I would rather watch Crawford or Loma any day of the week. Usyk bores me and I find myself picking my phone up and getting distracted when he's fighting.

If you count out all the club fighters and journeymen most elite fighters out there haven't have more than 10 real fights either. Crawford, for example, had 13 fights with non-journeymen and that's being generous. His 19 other wins were against guys with **** records that he fought every two months. Those wins don't count for **** at the elite level. Yeah but all of those club fighters and journeymen are needed, it's called on the job training. Not every fighter has 400 amateur fights like Loma did. You do not go to 1st grade and start learning calculus, you start with basic math, what's 1+1, 2+2, 3+3, etc. In boxing is no different, in fact it's harder, because the repercussions of being ill prepared could leave you permanently injured. So yes, while Lomachenko having very few fillers in his resume is a great thing for him and his career, he also had 397 amateur fights, which is not a common thing.

Wrong both would beat him if he doesn't hold or lean. Size doesn't matter if you don't hold or lean. Or rely on punch resistance, relying on absorbing opponent's punches so that the heavier boxer can land punches of their own. Or rely on raw punching power. Landing most powerful punches beyond the power of any boxer in the weight division of the smaller sized opponent.

Usyk will be a one-trick pony. Too big for LHW and too small to be successful at HW. Not even sure he is good enough to unify the division as an undisputed champion at CW. Don't count him out! He has experience boxing at heavyweight. He looks just as big, if not even bigger than David Haye in fight night and has skills way beyond David Haye or any heavyweight today. A slick southpaw with skills like Usyk can be a nightmare match up for any top heavyweight. Chris Byrd was a nightmare for many real heavyweights and Oleksandr Usyk appears to be even more skilled and awkward to me.

Usyk will be a one-trick pony. Too big for LHW and too small to be successful at HW. Not even sure he is good enough to unify the division as an undisputed champion at CW.

I think Usyk will lose to Gassiev if they end up in the finals. Although he will undeniably be a top p4p fighter should he beat Briedis, and could be rated top 10 now. I don't think Loma or Crawford are on the verge of losing on the other hand.

I like Usyk a lot but let's get back down to earth. He's a bit inconsistent. Hype for him on here rises and falls with each fight, depending how good or bad his performance is. It's entirely predictable. He might be the best Cruiser, but he's not Loma or Crawford level. I'm very interested how he's do against Gassiev. I favor Usyk slightly but it could go either way.

Good point.

How are we giving these guys with like 10 fights under their belts so much acclaim? Im not denying the talent though If you count out all the club fighters and journeymen most elite fighters out there haven't have more than 10 real fights either. Crawford, for example, had 13 fights with non-journeymen and that's being generous. His 19 other wins were against guys with **** records that he fought every two months. Those wins don't count for **** at the elite level.