Lol, is everyone being serious or is this some meme that I'm missing

Maybe you haven't said it, but there are folks on this site, and even in this thread, who are taking this performance and using it to argue that Lomachenko is the best fighter south of Terence Crawford (with some taking it even further), and that's baffling to me. What am I missing here? I opened the thread with my honest take; Lomachenko is a great talent, and arguably the best active fighter in the sport, but folks are bugging. Folks are taking the performance, and extrapolating well beyond what would make sense; if that's not you, I wasn't describing you Well, he is ARGUABLY the best boxer south of Terence Crawford by virtue of how he has dominated each and every opponent he has faced, since his loss to Orlando Salido. His dominance is arguably greater than those of any other boxer below 140 pounds. That doesn't mean he is the best boxer to ever put on gloves (which was what you were insinuating that Lomachenko wasn't in your previous response to me). So arguing Lomachenko is the best boxer south of Terence Crawford is reasonable. Not just because of his performance against Rigondeaux but his record as a whole. However, of course it isn't reasonable to claim he is the greatest pro boxer ever, based on just 10 bouts. I was merely responding to your erroneous claim that any other round, except the first could've gone to Rigondeaux or have been a draw. From round 2 and onward until the stoppage, it was a shutout for Lomachenko. Lomachenko out-landed Rigondeaux with his punches in every other round. Therefore, Lomachenko out-boxed, out-classed and schooled Rigondeaux overall.

Rigo should have lost those rounds just for all of the grabbing and holding he did. Maybe so. Still, Rigo made sure that Loma was just as effective as he was. The whole going into the mud with a pig bit

Lomachenko is a really good fighter, arguably p4p the best, but this is ridiculous. Guillermo Rigondeax hurt his left hand, full stop; their tactics basically negated each other, but Rigondeax didn't take a beating, his face wasn't marked with swelling/cuts/bruises, and didn't end up looking hapless at all. Lomachenko's big TV highlight was missing a 10-punch combination for heck's sake. Yet now, in the spin after the fight, fans and the media are trying to act as if it was some wide washout, lol. Even if you did have the fight scored 6-0 for Lomachenko, that still does nothing to change the fact that the first 4 rounds could've basically been scored 10-10, due to neither guy landing all that much effectively. No one is going to go back and watch the fight again (which is likely why the spin is going to work on most folks); that should set reality for folks, but it won't. Oh well Not to mention the fact that it's no big accomplishment to defeat a guy who is two weight classes smaller than you. Rigo had no business being in the ring with Lomachenko.

There was nothing that happened in the first 4 rounds where anyone could earnestly say "Man, that one fighter sure was putting it on the other fighter". If you want to marvel at 5 touch jabs, so be it Rigo should have lost those rounds just for all of the grabbing and holding he did.

Rigo realized he had no chance & gave up after 6 rounds. That is even worse than being knocked out IMO. ... And i rooted for Rigo

Well, I never claimed Lomachenko was the best fighter ever. That title belongs to heavyweights and not sub-heavyweights (best heavyweight = best boxer). Just that Lomachenko was the best between him and Rigondeaux. That punch percentage doesn't have necessary relevance to whether a boxer out-classed an opponent or not. Not every punch Lomachenko threw was intended to hit the target anyway. Many were probes / feints that were being counted as missed punches. Therefore, that alone proves that the official 15% landed punches by Lomachenko is flawed and inaccurate. Furthermore, even if Lomachenko only landed 15% of his punches. The fact that Rigondeaux was missing even more and was landing far less still means that Lomachenko rightly out-classed and schooled Rigondeaux. Can you name me one boxer who landed on Rigondeaux as frequently as Lomachenko did since 2003? If you can't, then Lomachenko obviously did something special and unprecedented to Rigondeaux that it may as well deserve to be classified as 'out-classing'. So even if Lomachenko's connect percentage was worse against Rigondeaux than against past opponents. It was still SIGNIFICANTLY better than Rigondeaux's connect percentage and quantity on Lomachenko during their bout. Maybe you haven't said it, but there are folks on this site, and even in this thread, who are taking this performance and using it to argue that Lomachenko is the best fighter south of Terence Crawford (with some taking it even further), and that's baffling to me. What am I missing here? I opened the thread with my honest take; Lomachenko is a great talent, and arguably the best active fighter in the sport, but folks are bugging. Folks are taking the performance, and extrapolating well beyond what would make sense; if that's not you, I wasn't describing you

I gotta be honest OP, it seems like you are just splitting hairs on what was clearly a TKO loss. Whether it was just being discouraged or actually an injury that made him not come out for the next round will be a mystery for now (until something surfaces as the truth on Rigo's hand), so you'll just have to live with it. From what I saw, he was so outclassed in speed, footwork, body placement, and strategy, that it was inevitable that he would lose to Loma and/or get caught & hurt later in the fight. I got that feeling that it was just a matter of time before he caved in. Kinda like Ward/Kov II, after that one head shot you knew Kov was going down, low blows or not. Just a matter of time. The difference with Ward/Kovalev 2 is that Ward was actually landing a ton of shots; he saw what he needed to see in the first fight, Kovalev tried to come out fast, the tank emptied quick, Ward blasted him with that shot, and it was clear that there was nothing that a spent Kovalev could've done to keep Ward from firing on him. Lomachenko had all of the speed, footwork, strategy, etc, yet still couldn't land much of anything. Rigondeax was going to be Rigondeax; chin tucked, guard reactive, evasive on the feet, to heck with the fans' thirst. And, for all the marvel that is Lomachenko, he's got a habit of wanting to please the fans when possible. No idea how Rigo's corner had it, but I'm not all that certain that Rigondeax would step out of himself and open up to risk if he felt that he was drastically behind in a fight. Lomachenko has shown that he takes risks to try and close fights. Would've been far more likely for Lomachenko to walk onto a big left than for Rigondeax to fight out of his nature, imo

Lomachenko won the fight, congrats. To take a performance where Lomachenko landed 15%, and try to spin that into all of this talk of being the best fighter to ever put on gloves is foolish. Well, I never claimed Lomachenko was the best fighter ever. That title belongs to heavyweights and not sub-heavyweights (best heavyweight = best boxer). Just that Lomachenko was the best between him and Rigondeaux. That punch percentage doesn't have necessary relevance to whether a boxer out-classed an opponent or not. Not every punch Lomachenko threw was intended to hit the target anyway. Many were probes / feints that were being counted as missed punches. Therefore, that alone proves that the official 15% landed punches by Lomachenko is flawed and inaccurate. Furthermore, even if Lomachenko only landed 15% of his punches. The fact that Rigondeaux was missing even more and was landing far less still means that Lomachenko rightly out-classed and schooled Rigondeaux. Can you name me one boxer who landed on Rigondeaux as frequently as Lomachenko did since 2003? If you can't, then Lomachenko obviously did something special and unprecedented to Rigondeaux that it may as well deserve to be classified as 'out-classing'. So even if Lomachenko's connect percentage was worse against Rigondeaux than against past opponents. It was still SIGNIFICANTLY better than Rigondeaux's connect percentage and quantity on Lomachenko during their bout.

Rigo looked lost as I thought he would. The speed, angles, and footwork of Loma were WAY too much for Rigo to contend with.

Rigo didnt hurt his hand. Its just a lie to save face, he fought the same way he always fights. Its true, lomachenko didnt really inflict that much damage on him but he was schooling him and toying with him. Nothing rigo tried worked so he tried to turn it into a clinchfest then got bullied and quit. Exactly, well said! :boxing:

You still have to land though. Missing 85% of your shots is an odd way to "outclass" someone It is but he handled rigo even though he missed alot. He beat him in every part of the game.There was no doubt who the superior fighter was.

I'm pretty sure in a 10-point must system, there is no such thing as a 10-10 round. :rofl: damn, that is pretty much sig-worthy

I half-way agree with this. Loma should be p4p #1. He wasn't outboxinging Rigo bad enough to make him quit either. It was nowhere close to the level he usually does to make guys quit. Rigo pretty much stop throwing after the first round, which makes me believe the injury excuse. However my problem is he hasn't revealed anything post fight to collaborate the injury excuse. Also rounds 2 thru 4 definitely weren't even. Maybe I DKSAB, but I can't figure out why Rigo wasn't moving around the ring as he did with Donaire. He went toe to toe which makes me think something was wrong. Loma even seemed surprised in the first round that Rigo came to the middle of the ring. Something had to be wrong but none if this takes anything from Loma's greatness. He's 37 years old, and his style has always been to only move as much as absolutely necessary and not a step more.

Doesn't matter! Rigondeaux was OUT-LANDED in every round except maybe the first. Ergo, he lost every round except may be the first. Ergo, he was out-classed and schooled in every round except the first. Ergo, he was out-classed and schooled overall. Yes, Lomachenko may have landed a few tap punches. However, landing tap punches is better than landing nothing which was the case in many instances in most rounds. Plus, Lomachenko landed more effective punches too. Lomachenko landed many jabs, hooks, uppercuts and left hands that were snapping Rigondeaux's head into the direction of where the punch was coming from. I'm not making it more than what it was. I'm calling it for what it was. Which was Lomachenko clearly winning at least 5 out of the 6 rounds in the bout. By way of out-landing Rigondeaux and almost totally neutralizing Rigondeaux's offense. Lomachenko won the fight, congrats. To take a performance where Lomachenko landed 15%, and try to spin that into all of this talk of being the best fighter to ever put on gloves is foolish.

If you watch the 2nd round, you can see him start to get very tentative throwing the left to the body, and then he stopped throwing it all together. Its very very common for fighters to injure their hand going to the body if you catch the tip of an elbow. Not saying he hurt it enough to warrant quitting, or that it had any meaningful impact on the fight, because it didn't. Loma was going to win that fight no matter what Rigo showed up. But it wouldn't be surprising if he did hurt it. You need to watch the fight again, he still throws the left with bad intentions all the way until he throws the towel with even worse intentions. He never stopped throwing the left, Loma just made it pointless to try.

You dont have to land a high percentage of punches to outclass someone. You still have to land though. Missing 85% of your shots is an odd way to "outclass" someone

How can you put a stat in there like that with no context. It makes you come across with a biased perspective. You fail to mention that he actually doubled Rigo's connect % and oulanded him by nearly 4 to 1. I already told you that you can't shine on a defensive master like Rigondeaux in that way. Hearns outclassed Wilfred Benitez in a similar way, he wasn't connecting at a high percentage because Benitez was a defensive wizard also, but Hearns didn't allow him to get off at all. Loma did the same, but probably an even more dominant manner in those first 6 rounds. He outboxed a great boxer and although Rigo evaded a lot of shots, he was never in a position to counter. If the fight had continued I think it could have got ugly for Rigo. Rigo and Loma stalled each other out, and Lomachenko simply being the bigger/fresher man helped him to win off of just activity. By round 5, Lomachenko finally registered that he simply needed to keep even more active, which is when the fight started to clearly turn, but why folks want to act as if Lomachenko was laying it in is silly.

I'm pretty sure in a 10-point must system, there is no such thing as a 10-10 round. Only one fighter can be awarded 10 points in a round. The other must get a score of 9 or less....Oh yeah, and Rigo didn't come close to winning more than 1 of those first 4 rounds. There was nothing that happened in the first 4 rounds where anyone could earnestly say "Man, that one fighter sure was putting it on the other fighter". If you want to marvel at 5 touch jabs, so be it

Lomachenko is a really good fighter, arguably p4p the best, but this is ridiculous. Guillermo Rigondeax hurt his left hand, full stop; their tactics basically negated each other, but Rigondeax didn't take a beating, his face wasn't marked with swelling/cuts/bruises, and didn't end up looking hapless at all. Lomachenko's big TV highlight was missing a 10-punch combination for heck's sake. Yet now, in the spin after the fight, fans and the media are trying to act as if it was some wide washout, lol. Even if you did have the fight scored 6-0 for Lomachenko, that still does nothing to change the fact that the first 4 rounds could've basically been scored 10-10, due to neither guy landing all that much effectively. No one is going to go back and watch the fight again (which is likely why the spin is going to work on most folks); that should set reality for folks, but it won't. Oh well https://i.imgflip.com/20wmbz.jpgvia Imgflip Meme Generator

Obviously, YDKSAB. Rigo did hurt his left hand... tying his shoes in the dressing room. It sure as hell didn't come from hitting Lomachenko. If you watch the 2nd round, you can see him start to get very tentative throwing the left to the body, and then he stopped throwing it all together. Its very very common for fighters to injure their hand going to the body if you catch the tip of an elbow. Not saying he hurt it enough to warrant quitting, or that it had any meaningful impact on the fight, because it didn't. Loma was going to win that fight no matter what Rigo showed up. But it wouldn't be surprising if he did hurt it.