Prime Manny Pacquiao vs. Lomachenko at 130

You couldn't be more wrong. Manny wasn't half the fighter he became around the Oscar/Hatton/Cotto fights. Did he beat an ATG, and in super impressive fashion, of course. But would the new and improved version of Manny that got a right hook beat MAB even worse, not even up for debate. Are you kidding me right now? And no, his win over MAB wasn't better than his 2 round massacre of Hatton. He was almost flawless in every aspect of boxing, and looked like an actual machine. He beat him worse, but couldn't stop him in the second fight? Ok buddy.

I read the thread as Manny vs. Loma at 130. If it's absolute prime Manny, the same one that beat up Oscar, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, and Margs, I'm giving Manny the edge by a pretty decent margin, and I give him a really good chance of finishing him, or dropping him a bunch. Now, that's if we're transporting his skills from those fight into a 130 lb. package, and whatever he'd weigh on fight night. Thats exactly how the thread topic reads, and your assessment is in line with how I perceived it.

We haven't saw Loma in deep heat yet, we don't know how well he responds to things not going his way... Goid point. That's why I think he doesn't deserve the #1 P4P ranking with so few fights. I know his skill set is off the charts but I don't think it's appropriate to be ranked that high this early.

It would play out like Morales-Pacquiao 1. And for those who reference that fight and actually watched it, you'd know Pac suffered a nasty cut from an accidental butt which shut his eye and affected his vision. Nonetheless, Morales won a very close fight and that was a war. If they had fought, I'd expect something similar to that. Pac was always an offensive machine; he always marked up his opponents especially guys of similar size. Only Floyd who was rangier and a bit taller could keep him at a distance. Even though Loma is more well schooled /fundamental...doesn't mean he'd win. He'd have a chance though but he'd have to be able to withstand a war ie. Morales-Pac 1. Pacquiao gave guys who had high IQs with solid fundamentals fits..(morales, barrera, marquez)...it'd be the same with Loma. His workrate, awkwardness, angles, and feistyness would give anyone trouble.

The Pacquiao that fought Oscar was the same size as Loma. His foot speed, power and punch output would have been more than a match for Loma. A great fight, shame it can't happen.

One things for sure, no version of Manny would've stood around, and been scared to throw his left hand, and not willing to go in and throw bombs at him like Rigo's lil scary ass. Rigo had a chance to be one of those ATG fighters that could tussle with anyone, and flat out beat anyone, but when you perform like that against a very heated rival, and your biggest fight, your stock goes down majorly in the history books. And especially if you haven't really done that much prior. He's got a lot to do to make up for last Saturday night, or has to rematch him, and go big or go home.

it says loma vs. prime manny...a guy who hasn't been legitly tested, vs. a guy who has been thoroughly tested... I read the thread as Manny vs. Loma at 130. If it's absolute prime Manny, the same one that beat up Oscar, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, and Margs, I'm giving Manny the edge by a pretty decent margin, and I give him a really good chance of finishing him, or dropping him a bunch. Now, that's if we're transporting his skills from those fight into a 130 lb. package, and whatever he'd weigh on fight night.

Gotta disagree with you there CAS, Pacquiao can get out box through counter punching ALA Marquez style, he can get out boxed in long range ALA Mayweather style but he always made the fight close. About I'm certain Lomachenko would not just mongoose his way to a U.D Pacquiao once was a mongoose himself. Not disagreeing there, Manny was plenty smart, and could definitely beat, and maybe even drop a few times, and finish Loma, but to give Loma no chance is absolutely nuts. Loma has ATG skills, and talent, and one of the most technically sound fighters, ever, in the history of boxing. I can't even put into words how skilled, and technical this guy is. But of course, even if you have all the skills in the world, when you're in there with another ATG caliber fighter, and one with a chin of iron, the will to win like a rabid wolverine, and with Pac's physical attributes, you can just as easily lose. I'm not siding with either guy too hard, because I can see how both fighters present problems for each other. This is seriously a toss up fight if I've ever seen one.

Pacquaio would murder him.

His best performance was against Barrera at 126 and it's not up for debate. Lomachenko has a chance of outslicking him but manny was a beast and tough to deter. I'll go with Manny in a close fight You couldn't be more wrong. Manny wasn't half the fighter he became around the Oscar/Hatton/Cotto fights. Did he beat an ATG, and in super impressive fashion, of course. But would the new and improved version of Manny that got a right hook beat MAB even worse, not even up for debate. Are you kidding me right now? And no, his win over MAB wasn't better than his 2 round massacre of Hatton. He was almost flawless in every aspect of boxing, and looked like an actual machine.

The thread is about Loma v Manny at 130. I posted who I thought would win and why. If you disagree, fine. Just answer the TS question. You seem to just want to go at me because I picked Loma. I'm not getting into that. it says loma vs. prime manny...a guy who hasn't been legitly tested, vs. a guy who has been thoroughly tested...

you tell me who you see this guy beat on your eye test, to suggest that he would ko a prime manny pacquaio, and i will answer that... The thread is about Loma v Manny at 130. I posted who I thought would win and why. If you disagree, fine. Just answer the TS question. You seem to just want to go at me because I picked Loma. I'm not getting into that.

Yes, there are a number of pros I would pick to beat Manny in a fantasy fight. When I do, I will list the reasons why I am doing so just as I did here. Now who do you think would win, Loma or Manny and why? you tell me who you see this guy beat on your eye test, to suggest that he would ko a prime manny pacquaio, and i will answer that...

Haven't seen a reason not to pick Manny.

no you didn't answer it...you could be basing your conclusion on this guy beating some paper champ, and from the looks of it, thats all this guy has beaten so far right... plus we know you are the biggest pac hater on here...you'd pick feather fisted hector camacho to ko pac @ 130lbs... Yes, there are a number of pros I would pick to beat Manny in a fantasy fight. When I do, I will list the reasons why I am doing so just as I did here. Now who do you think would win, Loma or Manny and why?

I just answered this-it isn't about who he has defeated, it's about what he brings to the table versus what his opponent brings to the table. Loma, IMO brings too much to the table. The only real issue for me is again the reach. If he had a longer reach and could box from the outside, make Manny hesitant a bit, IMO he'd KO him earlier. Now, tell me who you think would win and why? no you didn't answer it...you could be basing your conclusion on this guy beating some paper champ, and from the looks of it, thats all this guy has beaten so far right... plus we know you are the biggest pac hater on here...you'd pick feather fisted hector camacho to ko pac @ 130lbs...

yeah but who has your eyes see him beat that gives you all this confidence... I just answered this-it isn't about who he has defeated, it's about what he brings to the table versus what his opponent brings to the table. Loma, IMO brings too much to the table. The only real issue for me is again the reach. If he had a longer reach and could box from the outside, make Manny hesitant a bit, IMO he'd KO him earlier. Now, tell me who you think would win and why?

Based on the eye test. Much better ability to handle movement, higher ring IQ. Frankly, this is what one expects with a guy with almost 400 amateur fights at the highest level when compared against a guy with under 65 against limited opposition. Doesn't that mean he will accomplish as much as Manny has. yeah but who has your eyes see him beat that gives you all this confidence...

he's the better boxer based on beating who? Based on the eye test. Much better ability to handle movement, higher ring IQ. Frankly, this is what one expects with a guy with almost 400 amateur fights at the highest level when compared against a guy with under 65 against limited opposition. Doesn't that mean he will accomplish as much as Manny has.

Lomachenko is a mid range fighter who does not have the power to hold Pacquiao off, that spells disaster and I'd expect Pacquiao to make pretty short work of him. The guys that troubled Pacquiao were rangier, could actually punch and had the lead right hands to make Pacquiao tentative, Lomachenko doesnt possess that.