He is carving up quite the resume..... with ~20 or so more wins against elite competition, and 8-10 more championship belts across possibly 3 more divisions (hypothetically) in the next few years..... anyone else feel like he would eclipse Muhammad Ali at that point?
Based purely on the eye test- he is past that point and better (and more aesthetically pleasing to watch live) already, but if he carves up the aforementioned resume... is there anyone who can say he is NOT the GOAT?
Didn't watch tonights fight yet. But I heard he made Rigo cry and quit. (lol :bottle:)
roy as a middle weight could do more then loma does as a 130 126 pounder. loma and roy have a common style. i saw loma shoot to the side of his opponent and throw 3 hooks at one time. roy could do the same exact move with 4 5 6 hooks at one time and he was a big middleweight compared to loma. it's better to be smaller to pull such moves off. roy wasn't.
GOAT?
because he is white with skills?
roy jones and loma have a lot in common. just that roy had even more athleticism & far greater wins by the age of 28 29. but they use the exact same athletic twitch muscle hurky jerky style.
roy was never viewed as some GOAT by any real boxing experts.
No, not likely. His career won't be long enough. Fighters who rely a lot on reflexes don't have longevity on their side. Just look at Roy Jones. Loma can go down as an ATG and HOF'er, but not GOAT.
I think it is a fair point that his career prime will be relatively short. There will probably be less weight class jumping as well due to the age at which he turned pro.
I will disagree with the comparison to Jones somewhat. Yes, his reflexes and speed will slow down, but he has a much more solid technical base than Jones ever did. I don't think he will be boxing until the day he dies like Jones either :lol1:
what wins can he get to be the GOAT?
ali's not the GOAT and he has foreman, liston, fraizer, Quarry, patterson, lyle,
guy fought everyone.
he'd be hard pressed trying to be greater then sweet P.
to be the GOAT he would have to clear out a division, fight guys like crawford, garcia. and even get into the mix at 147 with your thurmans spences & porters. you think lomachenko would do all of this and win most of these bouts? he'd get smashed.
loma said that he wouldn't even fight crawford at 140 let alone do all of this.
i say all of that to say this.
this is EXACTLY what guys like sugar ray robinson did. even he'd never even catch up to manny at his age and this rate. he's done literally nothing compared to even manny. (thats why it has to be this way) we've had fighters in the sport literally really do it all.
I can't comment on guys I didn't watch, even going back to watch won't help but Lomachenko is the best I've ever seen outside of Floyd Mayweather and I think he can be better.
It's pretty much impossible to become a consensus GOAT in boxing, especially not these days. Even if he went all the way up to 154 and won a title there boxing fans would still **** on him. It's just the way it is. You can never get credit for anything in boxing.
He does have a chance to get a great unique resume with basically no real record-padding on top of two Olympic gold medals.
No, not likely. His career won't be long enough. Fighters who rely a lot on reflexes don't have longevity on their side. Just look at Roy Jones. Loma can go down as an ATG and HOF'er, but not GOAT.
He needs more on his resume, but he looks like it in terms of skill and talent. His trajectory is unbelievable. He made Rigo look like a joke, and he did it with skill.
People who don't see that are trying not to see it, or they simply don't know what they are looking at.
Did it tho ? Salido will always be remembered as the 50 fight veteran who almost got KO'd by a 2 fight amateur... after coming in the fight 20 lbs overweight. If that fight was 15 rounds like back in the day Salido would have been gone by the 13th round.
To ME, the Salido fight is basically a win on Lomachenkos record. IMHO.
Same here it's a win for me too.
Bare in mind I consider all Salido's loss's as basically wins aswell so technically Lomachenko is the only man to beat Salido if you really think about it.
Salido jus lost so his stock went down
Did it tho ? Salido will always be remembered as the 50 fight veteran who almost got KO'd by a 2 fight amateur... after coming in the fight 20 lbs overweight. If that fight was 15 rounds like back in the day Salido would have been gone by the 13th round.
To ME, the Salido fight is basically a win on Lomachenkos record. IMHO.
LMFAO eclipse Ali, yeah right
Where have all these 2010 boxing fans popped up from?
Top 10 yeah, possibly top 5 depending on how things pan but never the GOAT