Cotton just lost to Ali, dammit. Phuckin Ali, the dude who lost to Jesse Vargas.
Like someone else said, Father Time is unbeaten. Cotto got old tonight.
Marquez.
Totally clear, he has a better career and was a better fighter.
Marquez with 40 years was competitive vs Bradley in his 5th division. Cotto lost vs a guy named Sadam Ali.
I voted for Cotto.
You guys get too caught up in the whole 4 hard fights Marquez had with Pacquiao. Marquez didn't do anything too special outside of him having classic fights with Pacquiao.
In all honesty, Pacquiao made Marquez. Pacquiao elevated Marquez's legacy. Without Pacquiao, what would Marquez really be? At least he never got stopped. He has that going for him.
Now, late in Cotto's career, yeah he didn't look that good and he hand picked a lot after the back to back losses, but he surprised me when he fought Canelo. I thought there was a good chance he was gonna get KOed in that, but he stood his ground against a very dangerous opponent. If Cotto was a little bit younger and a little bit bigger, he probably would've beaten Canelo. The size and youth was the difference in that fight.
For me, Cotto had the harder, tougher fights and has the better resume.
cotto. Outside of going 50/50 w/ pac for the most part, what has marquez done? Get clowned by floyd and timmy?
Cotto at least gave floyd a tough fight. Canelo too. Cotto isn't all that great to me but marquez is hugely overrated.
great point......
Miguel Cotto signature punch left hook to the body will be remembered in boxing history
I do agree with that sentiment!
One of the best left hooks in boxing history, you HAVE to respect it!
You are a pac Cuck. Pac will be forgotten in 3-5 years.
His most memorable moments will be KTFO6, taking Margarito's eye, and the dud of a superfight where he was outboxed by Floyd. Oh and drug testing. People will remember something about drug testing holding the fight up for 5 years.
Meanwhile, Floyd will be remembered for his perfect record, his +/- compubox record, and being a PPV legend.
Why am I telling you this? Because I can tell you are republican trash. Manny is a has been and will soon be a never was.
Floyd will always be relevant with Top 25 ATG.
JMM won fights 1, 3, and 4. No debate. No conspiracy. No misunderstanding. No Filipino :D
Keep on supporting Duterte plz..you might get killed one day and someone will sprinkle some drugs on you and say, "see, it's okay" LMFAO
lmao you’re such a troll. No point in debating with you when you have your own agenda.
Good for you and your Filipino friend.
JMM won 3 of 4 and a draw in fight 2.
The 4th fight was a KTFO - as definitive as it gets. Do not cry about PEDs. JMM requested OSDT for 3rd fight and Pac/Roach denied.
Did JMM use? We'll never know. But the first KD had ZERO to do with PEDs. JMM landed that same punch on a young Pac in their 2nd fight and it buckled Pac BAD.
The KTFO punch was just horrific positioning by Manny. Like wtf?!?
lol my friend isn’t Filipino. And Pacquiao won the first fight but the judge screwed up by putting in the wrong scorecard after the knockdowns in one of the rounds. Pacquiao won fight 2 as well. Fight 3 I’d give the edge to Marquez even though it was closer than what people think. And fight 4 Marquez won but as I said under mysterious circumstances. Even from what you’re stating you know deep down it’s highly possible he used something. And if you say Pac possibly used himself at a point in his career to counter that, I’d agree with you on that where he possibly used for a few year period.
people can have their opinions but honestly if you vote for cotto then you dont know anything about boxing lol. Look at the supposedly top wins of his, and basically all of them were injured or coming off the back of losses. Mosley had won 1 in 5 of his last fights, judah hadnt won any of his last 3, martinez was injured, coming up to 40 and many thought he lost to martin murray. I know u can nitpick most fighters CV's but there are massive massive holes in cottos.
So list Marquez's accomplishments and I will do the same and break down every win.
Cotto lost because he stepped up to fight the best in the division.
Marquez gets a lot of credit for beating Pac.
Pretty even for different reasons, I wish this last fight they were fighting each other
he started working with a known steroid cheat and his body reacted to it with the typical signs of steroid use. its not a fact just highly likely. the evidence against pac was he keeps winning. not really the same but lets call it all even
Pac keeps winning was the only evidence of him juicing ? Nothing about Alex Ariza's shadyness ? Or Roach saying he didn't know what Ariza was putting in Pac's " special " shakes ? Or his never before seen Run through eight weight divisions ? There's also the physical changes like head and calve size increase . So we Can speculate IF that's what we're doing .
Honorable mention to Andre Ward , Nonito Donaire , and Andre Berto who admittingly worked with Victor Conte . A CONVICTED drug cheat .
Both are great and 1st ballot
But to me it's Cotto
Marquez has the better 1 win over Manny and 4 classic fights with PAC but after that he has notable Ws over
Barrera ( HOF )
And after that
Salido
Diaz
Casamayor
Cotto has Ws over
Martinez ( HOfer )
Moseley (Hofer)
Malignaggi
Zab
Margarito
Plus a sh.it load of respectable 3rd tier names
Mayorga
Clottey
Geale
Cotto. Without Manny, Marquez toils in obscurity. Even when he beat Manny there is the ped suspicion. JMM needs to thank Joe Cortez for not stopping the first fight after the third knockdown when he laid back down. Had that fight ended after that, Marquez is only famous for losing to Chris John.