Was Wladimir Klitschko underrated as a HW champion or is AJ just overrated?

You tailor interviews and hearsay to suit your own argument. False. We tailor our argument to whatever the truth is. You just happened to make an argument that wasn't true. You claimed Wilder talked trash when the fight couldn't happen. It was the exact opposite. When the fight couldn't happen, he didn't talk trash. His team wanted him to make a couple easier defenses while Klitschko was unavailable and that's exactly what he did. Just as Klitschko was about to become available, that's when Wilder ramped up the hype to try to make Klitschko-Wilder a reality for 2016. But Klitschko lost his mandatory defense. That is why they never fought. Klitschko lost 10 months after Wilder won his belt and Klitschko's first defense was negotiated BEFORE Wilder won his belt. So when the hell were they supposed to fight? "Well fighter a said such and such so it MUST be true" No, the facts show that it's true. Then you ignore interviews from other fighters which oppose your view. You didn't post any interviews from other fighters. You're just making things up as you go along. Your bias is plain as day yet you hide behind a handke which is designed to look professional when we all know you are just a particularly clever and articulate troll. Nobody is hiding. Those of us that operate this account are all professionals that have worked extensively in boxing and MMA. Nobody is trolling. Everything we write is sincere. We appreciate that you find us to be clever, but ultimately all that matters is the merit of our positions. Either the facts support what we're saying or they don't. There is no bias or agenda beyond the truth. In this instance, the truth is that Klitschko vs. Wilder was being looked at by both sides for 2016, but Klitschko ended up losing to his WBO/WBA mandatory. So the fight was derailed before both sides could clear their mandatories.

Also, why did Wlad never fight Deontay Wilder? Was he scared? High risk low reward? Also, if Deontay Wilder beats AJ, does that make AJ a bum or will people admit Wilder is the king? WBC were encouraging unification but Wilder in his own words said ‘why do I need face Klitschko now when I can wait for him to get old’. It is what it is, Wlad fought Jennings instead and then unification would have taken precedence again but Wilder wanted no part so Wlad had to defend his rotation with Jennings being an optional defence.

OK Wlad is a ATG respect him please. from 2005 to 2015 he DOMINATED the heavyweight division, taking all comers and sending them home with pounding headaches. He ducked no one he owned everyone during that time. However like all mean he got old, a man of that size take more wear and tear on his body he aged harder. So when he finally loses in 2015 to Fury at 38 /39 Fury is all of a sudden an elite boxer.... really. Then Wlad suffers his second loss in 12 years to AJ and now AJ is best heavyweight in world.... really. They beat a aging champion it happens to the best of them. Doesn't make them best in world only makes them in the right place at the right time. When they put together, ill be fair, 5 years of dominance then you can say they are best in world. At least that how I see it. We got a lot of young hungry HW champs one of them will rise to the top. For now they all still got a lot to prove. Brilliantly written post! I couldn't agree more. At this point in time, there isn't an ultimate or undisputed best heavyweight in the world. Although some are better than others. Very importantly, we will see what happens to Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury when they themselves are also around the age of 40 (assuming they wouldn't retire by then).

OK Wlad is a ATG respect him please. from 2005 to 2015 he DOMINATED the heavyweight division, taking all comers and sending them home with pounding headaches. He ducked no one he owned everyone during that time. However like all mean he got old, a man of that size take more wear and tear on his body he aged harder. So when he finally loses in 2015 to Fury at 38 /39 Fury is all of a sudden an elite boxer.... really. Then Wlad suffers his second loss in 12 years to AJ and now AJ is best heavyweight in world.... really. They beat a aging champion it happens to the best of them. Doesn't make them best in world only makes them in the right place at the right time. When they put together, ill be fair, 5 years of dominance then you can say they are best in world. At least that how I see it. We got a lot of young hungry HW champs one of them will rise to the top. For now they all still got a lot to prove.

I think wladamir on an ability level is top 3 all time I cant rate him number 1 on merit though because the big names are absent and he DID lose on his way out to the future top guys. Not to bash the guy but maybe during his prime he was unfortunaye not to have the competition avaliable I think wladamir on an ability level is top 3 all time Fair enough! I can definitely respect that ranking as it is a respectable ranking. Top 5 is justifiably the bare minimum Wlad deservea to be ranked in. I cant rate him number 1 on merit though because the big names are absent and he DID lose on his way out to the future top guys. Wlad took on the best possible opposition that he could've and should've boxed against (except his older brother Vitali Klitschko) for roughly a decade. So except his older brother, there isn't a single 'big name' he willfully avoided / ducked during his title reign. I can understand some having a different criteria than me for ranking heavyweight boxers in the all time great rankings. However, my ranking is purely based on accomplishments and feats in championship bouts and Wlad's feats and accomplishments are the most impressive. Only Vitali Klitschko, Lennox Lewis and prime Mike Tyson rival Wlad in this department. Also, Wlad lost to those boxers on his way out at an age when most other past heavyweight champions were either retired, or were losing themselves but at an even earlier age. So one can't diminish Wlad's legacy for his losses late on in his career since that would mean one has to also diminish the past heavyweight champion's legacies too since they weren't doing any better by that age.

Wlad isn't underrated. I think he gets way too much credit for his long reign as HW champ. Needless to say the HW division has whittled down quite a bit. It's starting to make a resurgence finally. I also don't think Joshua is overrated. Even at his age, Klitschko was supposed to beat Joshua. He got pretty close to doing it. Joshua proved a lot by overcoming the KD and fatigue to win the fight. Doing what he did tells me he's a special fighter. I like Wilder also but I think he squandered a lot his talent with his choice of opponents. He should've fought Klitschko, if he had the opportunity. AJ is special for going to hell and back with a 41 year old man who was out of the ring for a year and a half? Damn, that must make Tyson Fury god himself!

Yes. And no. I wouldn't say AJ is overrated outside of a few of his fan boys. Most reasonable fans rate him properly. Klitschko on the other hand had been criminally underrated for years. Now that he's retired, a lot of people are starting to lighten up a little on their negative stance and are giving him the recognition he deserves.

Wlad isn't underrated. I think he gets way too much credit for his long reign as HW champ. Needless to say the HW division has whittled down quite a bit. It's starting to make a resurgence finally. I also don't think Joshua is overrated. Even at his age, Klitschko was supposed to beat Joshua. He got pretty close to doing it. Joshua proved a lot by overcoming the KD and fatigue to win the fight. Doing what he did tells me he's a special fighter. I like Wilder also but I think he squandered a lot his talent with his choice of opponents. He should've fought Klitschko, if he had the opportunity.

Wilder was terrified of Wlad after getting his arse kicked in sparring. He wanted NOTHING to do with him.

Stop referring to yourself as "we", you aren't the Queen of England. When we obliterate your position and you then ignore our entire argument so that you can change the subject, why not just admit you were wrong? Show some honor.

Oh cool he talked some **** when they had mandatories and the fight couldnt happen. False. He talked right before Klitschko was about to clear his mandatory in hopes they could fight in 2016. But Klitschko lost to his mandatory, which is why the fight never happened. How long was that after howard finkel said wilder wasnt ready for klitschko? Howard Finkel is the former WWE ring announcer. Shelly Finkel is Wilder's manager. Right after Wilder won the title, Finkel said he wanted Wilder to have a couple fights before facing Klitschko. The article we posted is from AFTER Wilder had those couple fights, and right before Klitschko fought his mandatory, as Wilder's team was hopeful of facing Klitschko in 2016. All of this happened in the span of 10 months. So anybody claiming Wilder ducked Klitschko or that Klitschko ducked Wilder is an absolute idiot because Klitschko wasn't going to be available until 2016, which was fine with Wilder since his team wanted the fight to be in 2016 anyway.

Oh cool he talked some **** when they had mandatories and the fight couldnt happen. How long was that after howard finkel said wilder wasnt ready for klitschko? The justifications and excuses for Wilder is ridiculous. Out of 40 bouts, somehow he couldn't have fought a few more opponents who are some of the best heavyweights in the world and instead, irrational excuses are being made by those Wilder fanatics to justify him not taking on better level of opposition. Unbelievable this is!

"Was Wladimir Klitschko underrated as a HW champion or is AJ just overrated?" That depends on who is doing the rating. To me, Wladimir Klitschko is the greatest heavyweight champion of all time based on his accomplishments against the best possible opponents in the heavyweight division. This can be backed up by statistics. So anyone who doesn't at least rank him in the top 5 of the all time great rankings, is underrating him in my opinion. I've mainly encountered British and Americans from USA who underrate Wladimir Klitschko the most and without there being any rational / objective reason behind it. As for Anthony Joshua, it again depends on who is doing the rating. He has one of the best heavyweight record for a heavyweight with merely 20 bouts. Compared to most boxers today, his heavyweight record is better at 20 bouts than them. However, at this point in his career, anything more than crediting him for being a potential all time great is overrating him. He isn't one yet. Nor is he even a hall of famer or a legend yet. He is the one of the best heavyweights in the world today and is the future of the heavyweight division who has the potential to build a great legacy. "Also, why did Wlad never fight Deontay Wilder? Was he scared? High risk low reward?" It's the other way round! You should instead be asking why Wilder never fought Wladimir Klitschko. Wlad was the undisputed best heavyweight in the world with most titles and was most importantly the lineal champion. If Wilder really wanted to be the best heavyweight in the world, he would've took on Wladimir Klitschko but refused to until Wlad was close to the age of 40 which was when he even started to show any degree of interest of boxing against Wlad. Deontay Wilder rarely showed any REAL interest of boxing against either Klitschko brother and only when Vitali retired did Wilder manage to even obtain the vacated WBC title which he currently holds. So if anything, it was more akin to Wilder being scared of Wlad than vice versa. Wlad fought the best possible opponents for around a decade whilst Wilder has only fought a few top quality opposition. "Also, if Deontay Wilder beats AJ, does that make AJ a bum or will people admit Wilder is the king?" That's a big 'if' because Wilder has a much lesser chance of beating Joshua than Wladimir Klitschko did. If Wilder does win and continues beating the possible opponents thereafter, then of course he would deserve to be considered the 'king'.

Lmao rewriting history i see Wilders team NEVER wanted klitschko https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshkatzowitz/2015/11/10/deontay-wilder-i-could-beat-wladimir-klitschko-tomorrow/

why did Wlad never fight Deontay Wilder? When could it have taken place? Wladimir was under contract to HBO and had already agreed to fight Jennings by the time Wilder won the WBC title. Wilder's team wanted Klitschko in 2016, but before 2016 rolled around, Klitschko had already lost to his mandatory challenger.

AJ is the best hw on the planet. Thats all anyone is saying. Wilders been champ 3 or 4 years and not faced two opponents as good as AJs last two. As for Wlad, he is arguably top 15 or top 10 all time hw and most people are starting to come around to it but he never had the level of opposition to be an out and out, lock on for the top 10. No over or underrating there.

Wilder ducked Wlad and Haye because they slapped him about in sparring. They were the two biggest money fights and he never attempted to fight them. https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshkatzowitz/2015/11/10/deontay-wilder-i-could-beat-wladimir-klitschko-tomorrow/

Basically both, although Wlad's legacy will last longer and he will gain respect long after Joshua's career is over. I believe Joshua's limitations will be found out at some point over the next 24 months and after a couple of big fights he will retire. He will be remembered fondly as the most humble HW Champion to have walked the earth.

how the **** underrated he's 1 of the hardest puncher in HW division

Also, why did Wlad never fight Deontay Wilder? Was he scared? High risk low reward? Also, if Deontay Wilder beats AJ, does that make AJ a bum or will people admit Wilder is the king? Because Wilder wanted no part of Wlad that's why. Those sparring sessions told him all he needed to know.