Is Tyson Fury the weakest puncher pound for pound of the last 4 years?

If Parker fought Klitchko NEXT who wins ? A poll i put up awhile ago AFTER he fought Joshua ! Only TWO ppl voted for Parker and thats bc one is a retarded fanboy (we know who that is ) ....lol So no , moron ONLY you really think Parker is more DANGEROUS than Klitchko and thats bc ...YDKSAB !:spank: KLITCHKO AD86, Assteroid Field, Baltimore, BoxingFan85, cal202, juggernaut666, NahMean, Redd Foxx, redmish, Ryan8777, Simurgh, Vegemil 12 / 85.71% PARKER jas, mlac 2 / 15% If we did another only rejects like you would vote for Parker !:owned: To prove a point I don’t really need to reiterate something over again but when you’re calling me a moron and posing a question I never stated then I feel compelled to answer for myself, I said Parker is more dangerous for the simple fact he throws more, not who would win between Klitschko and Joshua, that said I actually think Klitschko could potentially beat Parker I wouldn’t bank on it because after having seen the Klitschko versus Joshua I’d lean towards Parker to win. Look at the punch output, accuracy currently of both. Look at reflexes and timing of the Klitschko we just saw, poll it now or I will in fact when I get time this weekend I’ll post it up myself we’re gonna put this to bed and in the process debate it. What it you feel you’re ‘owning’ ? If you can’t see the low regard in which you’re held on this forum I’ll poll that too just so you can see it in bold. You’re an imbecile, do I need to define the meaning of imbecile to get my point across or you understand of what an imbecile is ? You can dispute it all you like but the fact remains you reiterate it each day to the rest of NSB, that’s some achievement and you certainly deserve credit there. That I will give you. I have actually begun to enjoy our exchanges, when I’ve had a tough day at work or whenever I’m feeling down recently I’ve began to realise things could be much worse. I thank yourself for all that, you’re somewhat inspiring.

we all know your a casual soccer fan who got into boxing when you saw AJ tense his bicep. LMAO :lol1:

You should feel like a moron kid ,your basically number one on the forum neck anf neck with that other retard Kushkin the 10 yr old who watches cartoons but posts about boxing . lol The main thing you and dumbium have in common is both your boxing IQ's comes to a hault after Tyson Fury and in your case Wlad Klitchko ,though he SEEMS to slightly put together some valued points unlike you. :lol1: You even attacked Furys family of NON boxing related off beat matters long after the fight and couldn't let it go bc you were lost on here without a Klitchko to talk about and unlike you who doesn't have the brain power to dissect other fighters ,you continued on your idiot rants when Joshua was up next ,think about it dummy ?:loser: Do you really want to go back to that Klitchko vs Fury thread bc i revisited that not long ago and in just about that over 600 page thread you basically posted in every pg like a spastic that you are , you sounded like a complete moron filled with illogical rants that even the Klitchko supporters started feeling embarrassed ,myself included :lol1: You already exposed just actually how limited you truly are even WHEN it involves Klitchko because Parker is better offensively .....right ? :bryce: Present Parker is more dangerous than present Klitschko at forty one. I don’t see many contesting that bar yourself, but hey why break the habit now you’re amusing all of us.

Sorry, think you should be on a UFC forum with this type of utter sh1t. No offence intended btw. No thank you! I'm satisfied and content with boxing more than UFC as it is. No offense taken! Perhaps, you should be on a strictly come dancing forum with your type of posts? For me, I value results more than the means of achieving the results (provided it is achieved legally). The most skilled boxer is the one who has the best combination of offensive and defensive skills. The boxer with the best offensive skills = 1) the one who stops the highest number of best possible opponents with the best records. 2) The one who stops the highest number of best possible opponents taking the least amount of time (rounds) on average. 3) The one who wins most rounds against the best possible opponents whilst being able to inflict most amount of damage. The boxer with the best defensive skills = 1) The boxer who gets hit the least, especially against the best level of opposition possible. 2) The boxer who loses fewest rounds, especially against the best level of opposition possible. Subjective things like good movement, fluidity, speed and etc are only relevant if they result to the above points. Otherwise, they aren't relevant or are marginally relevant. In other words, Tyson Fury may appear flashier and more flamboyant compared to the likes of Anthony Joshua and Wladimir Klitschko. However, he certainly isn't more skilled than either, based on his results and record.

You are trying to get a LOGICAL convo out of what is known as a ............. denium also known as a dumbium . Its quite a limited dolt on the forum and when it reaches its short limited brain capacity it posts the "didnt read " regimine . It also has nervous break downs coupled with temper tantrums that sound like a little girl when Fury is involved . (Ask why Fury is the GOAT or believes hes anywhere near the best in H2H matches) The truth is its a very similar species like that RJJ GOAT poster and thats bc they are probably the same as its very rare that you get two such idiots that post the same and RJJ is an alt account . Oh yea its always fun engaging with a sure top idiot on here ,one that is easily picked apart and exploited when its hollow points are played out . Like i said in that other thread your posting WAY to advanced for these types . You have to keep it simple for limited posters otherwise they ignore you and run off ,even for this forum in general their just not good readers and when remotely having to use SOME thinking it just passes them by . lol Thanks! I gathered what you're stating. It seems the IQ level of most posters in this forum is below average judging by the soundness and validity of their posts. My posts are presented for everyone coming to the threads I post my comments on, to read. Not just for the retards I respond to. They are mainly objective and fact based. So open minded individuals can learn some of those valuable information and facts that I present. If that poster seriously claimed that Fury is the GOAT for beating Wladimir Klitschko but then conisders Wlad to not be the GOAT, then that poster is clearly contradicting themselves. it's mainly hilarious to see one user who doesn't post any objective comments supporting another user who also doesn't post any objective comments. There are plenty of them around here!

His power is underrated. He clearly doesn't have one punch KO power but he certainly carries some pop according to his KO ratio.

That wasn't my point or 'logic'. Instead, my point and 'logic' was that not being able to KO or stop an opponent inside 12 rounds is actually an indication and evidence of a boxer lacking in skills. Namely offensive skills. If a boxer was more skilled, they would be able to stop their opponents inside 12 rounds. Boxing skills are divided into 2 parts. Defensive skills and Offensive skills. The most skilled boxers are the ones who have a combination of both at the highest quantity. A boxer who has tremendous defense but a lacking offense (such as Tyson Fury) is less skilled than someone who has a better combination of both (such as Wladimir Klitschko). Sorry, think you should be on a UFC forum with this type of utter sh1t. No offence intended btw.

He hurt himself with his own punch. That takes real power, so no.

You are trying to get a LOGICAL convo out of what is known as a ............. denium also known as a dumbium . Its quite a limited dolt on the forum and when it reaches its short limited brain capacity it posts the "didnt read " regimine . It also has nervous break downs coupled with temper tantrums that sound like a little girl when Fury is involved . (Ask why Fury is the GOAT or believes hes anywhere near the best in H2H matches) The truth is its a very similar species like that RJJ GOAT poster and thats bc they are probably the same as its very rare that you get two such idiots that post the same and RJJ is an alt account . Oh yea its always fun engaging with a sure top idiot on here ,one that is easily picked apart and exploited when its hollow points are played out . Like i said in that other thread your posting WAY to advanced for these types . You have to keep it simple for limited posters otherwise they ignore you and run off ,even for this forum in general their just not good readers and when remotely having to use SOME thinking it just passes them by . lol Yet after the Fury win over Klitschko he was widely acknowledged as just about the one person who genuinely believed Fury would win, all the others were band wagon jumpers and butt hurt Americans who gave up long ago of seeing Klitschko lose. Denium is quite well respected on this forum, unfortunately the same can not be said for yourself. If you run a poll right now, hell I'm even willing to run it just to prove how much of a colossal mangina you are. Ain't like you can even call Denium a fan boy as he was pulling for his home town fighter Quigg to win but acknowledged he would lose against Frampton I believe it was. Go find the thread where he broke down the Fury win before it happened, unlike Loaded Wraps who claimed Fury would 'bully Klitschko to the ropes yada yada etc etc'. You're a moron, maybe I am too, I most certainly feel like one quoting you and being drawn into conversation but hell it is what is it.

No. There are plenty of guys with less power, such as Malignaggi and that Argentian guy who almost reached Mayweather's record.

https://i.imgur.com/ibjDKXh.gif Yes, most likely because you lack the facts to substantiate / prove your position / claims.

Using your logic there is no point in having judges or going 12 rounds. Just fight until the KO comes, right? Any decision based win it tainted because there was no definitive KO etc. I'm no fan of judges - too many agendas at work but...skills like movement, reflexes and general ring-craft are the cornerstones of boxing NOT just being able to KO people. Using your logic there is no point in having judges or going 12 rounds. Just fight until the KO comes, right? That wasn't my point or 'logic'. Instead, my point and 'logic' was that not being able to KO or stop an opponent inside 12 rounds is actually an indication and evidence of a boxer lacking in skills. Namely offensive skills. If a boxer was more skilled, they would be able to stop their opponents inside 12 rounds. but...skills like movement, reflexes and general ring-craft are the cornerstones of boxing NOT just being able to KO people. Boxing skills are divided into 2 parts. Defensive skills and Offensive skills. The most skilled boxers are the ones who have a combination of both at the highest quantity. A boxer who has tremendous defense but a lacking offense (such as Tyson Fury) is less skilled than someone who has a better combination of both (such as Wladimir Klitschko).

Using your logic there is no point in having judges or going 12 rounds. Just fight until the KO comes, right? That wasn't my point or 'logic'. Instead, my point and 'logic' was that not being able to KO or stop an opponent inside 12 rounds is actually an indication and evidence of a boxer lacking in skills. Namely offensive skills. If a boxer was more skilled, they would be able to stop their opponents inside 12 rounds. but...skills like movement, reflexes and general ring-craft are the cornerstones of boxing NOT just being able to KO people. Boxing skills are divided into 2 parts. Defensive skills and Offensive skills. The most skilled boxers are the ones who have a combination of both at the highest quantity. A boxer who has tremendous defense but a lacking offense (such as Tyson Fury) is less skilled than someone who has a better combination of both (such as Wladimir Klitschko).

Wladimir Klitschko's reflexes and movement (even at age 40) are just as good, if not better than Fury's. The only difference is that he isn't as flashy / flamboyant. Fury's movement is so far below Wlad's movement when Wlad was in his early 30's, that it isn't even comparable. Wlad is a natural boxer who can actually knock opponents out. In the heavyweight division when someone like Fury outsizes as many opponents as he does. It's near embarrassing, shameful, pathetic and disgraceful for him not being able to KO opponents that are much smaller in size. Especially when natural cruiserweights like David Haye have better KO records at heavyweight, despite being significantly smaller in size. It's one thing for someone like Mayweather not being able to KO much heavier and bigger sized opponents at welterweight. It's a total disgrace for someone like Fury being unable to stop opponents as frequently as he's supposed to when he outsizes every opponent. Being a natural boxer doesn't mean one should lack the offensive skills to knock opponents out more frequently. Especially when one is almost always bigger in size, compared to their opponents. Using your logic there is no point in having judges or going 12 rounds. Just fight until the KO comes, right? Any decision based win it tainted because there was no definitive KO etc. I'm no fan of judges - too many agendas at work but...skills like movement, reflexes and general ring-craft are the cornerstones of boxing NOT just being able to KO people.

Stats = facts. Facts = reality. If you have a problem with facts, you have a problem with reality. If you have a problem with reality, it is you who is the 'utter spastic'. Go ahead and present your own factual evidence if you can. Why aren't you? If you can present your own statistics or factual evidence for your claims, then go ahead! I'll wait! Unsubstantiated claim = not fact = opinion. Not a fact unless you can substantiate / prove that claim. HOF selected boxers are subjectively selected. As in, they are not based on fact. Ergo, irrelevant from an objective standpoint! Go ahead and feel free to present fact based evidence of a boxer who is a better heavyweight champion than Wladimir Klitschko. Are you going to do so? https://i.imgur.com/ibjDKXh.gif

Wow, you really are a complete and utter spastic. It's easy to twist stats and figures to suit an agenda. Wlad fought in one of the weakest eras, and the vast, vast majority of his opponents were rubbish, that's a fact. Name me one HOF fighter that Wladimir defeated. Wlad was the best HW of this era I'll give you that, but the greatest of all time? Forget about it. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android Wow, you really are a complete and utter spastic. It's easy to twist stats and figures to suit an agenda. Stats = facts. Facts = reality. If you have a problem with facts, you have a problem with reality. If you have a problem with reality, it is you who is the 'utter spastic'. Go ahead and present your own factual evidence if you can. Why aren't you? If you can present your own statistics or factual evidence for your claims, then go ahead! I'll wait! Wlad fought in one of the weakest eras Unsubstantiated claim = not fact = opinion. and the vast, vast majority of his opponents were rubbish, that's a fact. Not a fact unless you can substantiate / prove that claim. Name me one HOF fighter that Wladimir defeated. HOF selected boxers are subjectively selected. As in, they are not based on fact. Ergo, irrelevant from an objective standpoint! Wlad was the best HW of this era I'll give you that, but the greatest of all time? Forget about it. Go ahead and feel free to present fact based evidence of a boxer who is a better heavyweight champion than Wladimir Klitschko. Are you going to do so?

Quote: Originally Posted by denium Haha, Wladimir knocked out a load of bums, who is his best win? Pulev? lol I cba writing a massive load of text, so i'll let Fury go over Wlad's resume for you. Quote: Haha, Wladimir knocked out a load of bums, who is his best win? Pulev? Define 'bum' and 'best win'. Quote: I cba writing a massive load of text, so i'll let Fury go over Wlad's resume for you. Unfortunately, what Fury has done to diminish Wladimir Klitschko's career is something that anybody can do to any boxer's career. Most of it is subjective and is based on personal opinion = not fact! Furthermore, some of what Fury said is even flat out false. 'Carefully selected opponents'? Like who? Who exactly did Wlad duck or avoid that he could've fought against inside the boxing ring? If that was the case, then why would he have boxed against Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury himself when he was around the age of 40? Wouldn't he have avoided them? If you don't realize the falsehood in that claim of Tyson Fury, then you are retarded. How about you actually prove (using factual evidence) which heavyweight champion is better / greater than Wladimir Klitschko or who the best / greatest overall heavyweight champion is? Can you do that? Statistically, Wladimir Klitschko's heavyweight record in championship bouts is the best and this is a fact! The numbers prove this. The numbers don't lie. People lie with their mouths practically all the time but arithmetic = fact = irrefutable. My position is supported by those FACTS! Wow, you really are a complete and utter spastic. It's easy to twist stats and figures to suit an agenda. Wlad fought in one of the weakest eras, and the vast, vast majority of his opponents were rubbish, that's a fact. Name me one HOF fighter that Wladimir defeated. Wlad was the best HW of this era I'll give you that, but the greatest of all time? Forget about it. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

Haha, Wladimir knocked out a load of bums, who is his best win? Pulev? lol I cba writing a massive load of text, so i'll let Fury go over Wlad's resume for you. Haha, Wladimir knocked out a load of bums, who is his best win? Pulev? Define 'bum' and 'best win'. I cba writing a massive load of text, so i'll let Fury go over Wlad's resume for you. Unfortunately, what Fury has done to diminish Wladimir Klitschko's career is something that anybody can do to any boxer's career. Most of it is subjective and is based on personal opinion = not fact! Furthermore, some of what Fury said is even flat out false. 'Carefully selected opponents'? Like who? Who exactly did Wlad duck or avoid that he could've fought against inside the boxing ring? If that was the case, then why would he have boxed against Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury himself when he was around the age of 40? Wouldn't he have avoided them? If you don't realize the falsehood in that claim of Tyson Fury, then you are retarded. How about you actually prove (using factual evidence) which heavyweight champion is better / greater than Wladimir Klitschko or who the best / greatest overall heavyweight champion is? Can you do that? Statistically, Wladimir Klitschko's heavyweight record in championship bouts is the best and this is a fact! The numbers prove this. The numbers don't lie. People lie with their mouths practically all the time but arithmetic = fact = irrefutable. My position is supported by those FACTS!

My threads aren't about me. My threads are about the arguments I share. Ergo, I could care less if people (or even aliens for that matter) laugh at me without having any justifiable reasons to. It only gives a negative indication of them and not me. I've already written them. I guess I'll have to copy and paste them. Here it goes: 1) Being the best /greatest heavyweight champion means to be better than all other heavyweight champions. 2) Being better than all other heavyweight champions means having a better record in championship bouts in relation to the objective of boxing (winning more bouts, getting hit less by the opponent (defensive abilities), landing more effective punches on the opponent (offensive abilities), winning more rounds (combination of offensive and defensive abilities), winning bouts quicker (offensive abilities) and so forth so on). 3) Wladimir Klitschko has the best record out of all heavyweight champions because he has more wins in championship bouts (most proven due to highest consistency), has the highest knockout percentage in championship bouts compared to any past heavyweight champion (best offensive skills), has lost fewer rounds compared to any past heavyweight champion (best offensive and defensive skills), has knocked out more previously unbeaten and UN-KO'ed opponents compared to any past heavyweight champion in history (most proven against the best level of opposition showing the best offensive skills against them) and so forth so on. I can continue listing even more accomplishments but the point is pretty clear! I challenge you to refute my argument for why Wladimir Klitschko isn't the greatest heavyweight of all time and make a fact based, objective and logical argument to demonstrate how any other heavyweight champion is greater than Wladimir Klitschko or the greatest overall! Somehow I doubt you can do that. Haha, Wladimir knocked out a load of bums, who is his best win? Pulev? lol I cba writing a massive load of text, so i'll let Fury go over Wlad's resume for you.

Create as many threads as you like, people will just carry on laughing at you. Anyway, what accomplishments? Create as many threads as you like, people will just carry on laughing at you. My threads aren't about me. My threads are about the arguments I share. Ergo, I could care less if people (or even aliens for that matter) laugh at me without having any justifiable reasons to. It only gives a negative indication of them and not me. Anyway, what accomplishments? I've already written them. I guess I'll have to copy and paste them. Here it goes: 1) Being the best /greatest heavyweight champion means to be better than all other heavyweight champions. 2) Being better than all other heavyweight champions means having a better record in championship bouts in relation to the objective of boxing (winning more bouts, getting hit less by the opponent (defensive abilities), landing more effective punches on the opponent (offensive abilities), winning more rounds (combination of offensive and defensive abilities), winning bouts quicker (offensive abilities) and so forth so on). 3) Wladimir Klitschko has the best record out of all heavyweight champions because he has more wins in championship bouts (most proven due to highest consistency), has the highest knockout percentage in championship bouts compared to any past heavyweight champion (best offensive skills), has lost fewer rounds compared to any past heavyweight champion (best offensive and defensive skills), has knocked out more previously unbeaten and UN-KO'ed opponents compared to any past heavyweight champion in history (most proven against the best level of opposition showing the best offensive skills against them) and so forth so on. I can continue listing even more accomplishments but the point is pretty clear! I challenge you to refute my argument for why Wladimir Klitschko isn't the greatest heavyweight of all time and make a fact based, objective and logical argument to demonstrate how any other heavyweight champion is greater than Wladimir Klitschko or the greatest overall! Somehow I doubt you can do that.