Do you think Floyd would have been able to take rounds off Hearns?

Keith has never been dropped by a body shot in his career. Keith has a great ring on plis he is highly skilled. I would favor Leonard against this Keith but I don't think Keith has peaked yet. Like I said, Keith would hold his own against those guys but may come up short. Sheldon. Thurman is too slow for SRL. Ray had blinding speed great footwork and excellent power. He was smart and could adapt. Yes Thurman, Spence and Crawford need to fight each other before there is even a serious conversation about this. It's somewhat unfair to compare a fighter in the middle of his career against others that had the opportunity to show all their skills against top competition. These young welterweight need to fight each other.

Thurman is an ok fighter as far as all time is concerned. Lets not forget an old asś Collazo almost had Thurman out in the 5th. Thats bad. That alone can easily write Thurman out of history. What do you think would happen if SRL hurt him to the body? Thurman would get KO'd. Same thing for Hearns or Duran --- they were next level. 5th Round Cued Up: I really like Spence a lot --- I think he has a bright future but we don't know what he's realy all about yet. He's only got Kell The Quitter Brook on his resume. Crawford, same thing --- very promising. But lets see him evenly matched and see what happens. Way too early to even remotely think these two cats can bang with the GOATS. Keith has never been dropped by a body shot in his career. Keith has a great ring on plis he is highly skilled. I would favor Leonard against this Keith but I don't think Keith has peaked yet. Like I said, Keith would hold his own against those guys but may come up short.

Don't get me wrong I would probably favor Duran, Hearns, and Leonard. But don't sit here and act like Thurman, Crawford, and Spence aren't once in a lifetime talents Thurman is an ok fighter as far as all time is concerned. Lets not forget an old asś Collazo almost had Thurman out in the 5th. Thats bad. That alone can easily write Thurman out of history. What do you think would happen if SRL hurt him to the body? Thurman would get KO'd. Same thing for Hearns or Duran --- they were next level. 5th Round Cued Up: I really like Spence a lot --- I think he has a bright future but we don't know what he's realy all about yet. He's only got Kell The Quitter Brook on his resume. Crawford, same thing --- very promising. But lets see him evenly matched and see what happens. Way too early to even remotely think these two cats can bang with the GOATS.

I don't create these types of threads, I just give my opinion on them. From time to time you will see a thread matching Floyd @ lightweight with Duran, Chavez, Whitaker, etc., but imo welterweight was and always will one of the more significant weight classes, and guys like Sugar, Hearns, Duran, & Hagler, rank very highly on most all-time lists. But you still don't acknowledge that 147 is not Floyd's best fighting weight....130,135 , 140 is where he was in his true prime

You're out of your mind. Thurman gets starched stiff and the rest lose by a landslide. Crawford and Spence aren't tested. Just because you forgot what Hearns looks like out of the gate. Don't get me wrong I would probably favor Duran, Hearns, and Leonard. But don't sit here and act like Thurman, Crawford, and Spence aren't once in a lifetime talents

I disagree. I think Crawford, Spence, and Thurman could hold their own against Duran, Leonard, and Hearns. All three have weaknesses that they can exploit. You're out of your mind. Thurman gets starched stiff and the rest lose by a landslide. Crawford and Spence aren't tested. Just because you forgot what Hearns looks like out of the gate.

bull.... nobody is posting stuff to "get back" (lmao) at floyd, thats just some s**t you making up in your own head.. the real is, when people post floyd-adverse, you cats are on here crying... just go back and re-read some of the emotionally driven stuff you write when everybody isn't sharing your sentiments... Just like what this guy wrote: You guys need to stop. Mayweather is a lie. A bronze medalist, not beaten any elite in their prime, in most eyes didn't win vs Maidana or Castillo. He's just not that good. He'd be a decent fighter who'd be giving guys a hard fight but ultimately lose to guys like Hearns, Leonard, Duran, with a high possibility of being stopped by the lot. Now honestly, what in that isn't rational, or bs or overexaggerating...a lot of folks share these exact sentiments... ..regardless, in typical Floyd Boy fashion, how a emtional Floyd Boy can't take it: You have no idea what you are looking at, you would starve to death if your only job was a boxing talent scout. You see the hype like a fan, you cant see the mechanics of boxing, That's the trouble with the internet, to be great the modern athlete is now against a world full of retards given a voice... standard, you don't know s**t about boxing, response calling the dude a retard, etc, etc.... case closed I posted "get back at Floyd fans", not get back at Floyd. Did you misread that or did you intentionally lie? No, my issue is that the dislike for Floyd drives the ridiculousness in these posts. Get rid of it, and there will not be the type of responses from Floyd fans that you criticize. Most fans do not think he lost to Castillo and Maidana, just disgruntled NSB denizens that love Manny or hate Floyd. He just isn't that good is utterly retarded. Of course the poster is well known for being anti Floyd. I noticed you edited the whole post. That skews the response to fit your agenda. Reloaded's response was equal in tone to the post he responded to. Don't see how you can have a problem when floyd fans treat you and others as you treat us.

when people make rational comments, you don't see those types of responses. You see regular debate. However, when you guys post stupid, petty, childish, retarded "get back at Floyd fans" crap, thats the response you are going to get. Like you right here. "Swing on Floyd's nuts". That is weak, immature and emotional. Yet you get upset and are critical when posters respond in the same tone. Reloaded's post had the same tone and maturity as the one he responded to. bull.... nobody is posting stuff to "get back" (lmao) at floyd, thats just some s**t you making up in your own head.. the real is, when people post floyd-adverse, you cats are on here crying... just go back and re-read some of the emotionally driven stuff you write when everybody isn't sharing your sentiments... Just like what this guy wrote: You guys need to stop. Mayweather is a lie. A bronze medalist, not beaten any elite in their prime, in most eyes didn't win vs Maidana or Castillo. He's just not that good. He'd be a decent fighter who'd be giving guys a hard fight but ultimately lose to guys like Hearns, Leonard, Duran, with a high possibility of being stopped by the lot. Now honestly, what in that isn't rational, or bs or overexaggerating...a lot of folks share these exact sentiments... ..regardless, in typical Floyd Boy fashion, how a emtional Floyd Boy can't take it: You have no idea what you are looking at, you would starve to death if your only job was a boxing talent scout. You see the hype like a fan, you cant see the mechanics of boxing, That's the trouble with the internet, to be great the modern athlete is now against a world full of retards given a voice... standard, you don't know s**t about boxing, response calling the dude a retard, etc, etc.... case closed

it don't make a difference if its a rational fan, a manny fan, or a ceiling fan, if you give an assessment based on what you actually watched, you guys who are gonna forever swing from floyd's nuts, have to take that hard pill and swallow it...calling people stupid, ignorant, don't know s**t about boxing, etc., just shows how weak, immature, and emotional you are... when people make rational comments, you don't see those types of responses. You see regular debate. However, when you guys post stupid, petty, childish, retarded "get back at Floyd fans" crap, thats the response you are going to get. Like you right here. "Swing on Floyd's nuts". That is weak, immature and emotional. Yet you get upset and are critical when posters respond in the same tone. Reloaded's post had the same tone and maturity as the one he responded to.

This is the post reloaded responded to. This isn't a rational fan with a sensible opinion based on fights he saw, this is (like you) a Manny fan that can't bring himself to give Floyd the respect he has earned because he doesn't like him. You will never get respect if you are not willing to give it. it don't make a difference if its a rational fan, a manny fan, or a ceiling fan, if you give an assessment based on what you actually watched, you guys who are gonna forever swing from floyd's nuts, have to take that hard pill and swallow it...calling people stupid, ignorant, don't know s**t about boxing, etc., just shows how weak, immature, and emotional you are...

You guys need to stop. Mayweather is a lie. A bronze medalist, not beaten any elite in their prime, in most eyes didn't win vs Maidana or Castillo. He's just not that good. He'd be a decent fighter who'd be giving guys a hard fight but ultimately lose to guys like Hearns, Leonard, Duran, with a high possibility of being stopped by the lot. see thats the problem with these floyd boys... boxing may be about technical effieciency and brilliance, but prizefighting is about beating the best at their best for money... calling people retards and all that s**t shows what level of maturity some of you floyd boys are on, in terms of respecting the opinions of others who at least can make a sensible opinion on what they are looking at, just because they actually took the time to watch the fights.... in other words, take your, you don't know s**t about boxing, a**, somewhere and sit down... This is the post reloaded responded to. This isn't a rational fan with a sensible opinion based on fights he saw, this is (like you) a Manny fan that can't bring himself to give Floyd the respect he has earned because he doesn't like him. You will never get respect if you are not willing to give it.

You have no idea what you are looking at, you would starve to death if your only job was a boxing talent scout. You see the hype like a fan, you cant see the mechanics of boxing, there is much of the science of boxing you just don't see, most of the Floyd haters cant even see some of the things he does in a boxing ring. That's the trouble with the internet, to be great the modern athlete is now against a world full of retards given a voice, the world is pretty fckd in regard to mob rule influencing the intellect of the mob on a world scale, today the retards have the loudest voice lol. When you strip Floyd back to just pure boxing, the man was tactically brilliant and definitely an ATG . see thats the problem with these floyd boys... boxing may be about technical effieciency and brilliance, but prizefighting is about beating the best at their best for money... calling people retards and all that s**t shows what level of maturity some of you floyd boys are on, in terms of respecting the opinions of others who at least can make a sensible opinion on what they are looking at, just because they actually took the time to watch the fights.... in other words, take your, you don't know s**t about boxing, a**, somewhere and sit down...

You have no idea what you are looking at, you would starve to death if your only job was a boxing talent scout. You see the hype like a fan, you cant see the mechanics of boxing, there is much of the science of boxing you just don't see, most of the Floyd haters cant even see some of the things he does in a boxing ring. That's the trouble with the internet, to be great the modern athlete is now against a world full of retards given a voice, the world is pretty fckd in regard to mob rule influencing the intellect of the mob on a world scale, today the retards have the loudest voice lol. When you strip Floyd back to just pure boxing, the man was tactically brilliant and definitely an ATG . greenk for this post.

Why does Floyd always have to fight fighers (fantasy fights) outside his natural weight class.....you guys almost never match him up with a 130, 135, or even 140 fighter, its always a welter or higher in their prime vs past prime Floyd at 147. I don't create these types of threads, I just give my opinion on them. From time to time you will see a thread matching Floyd @ lightweight with Duran, Chavez, Whitaker, etc., but imo welterweight was and always will one of the more significant weight classes, and guys like Sugar, Hearns, Duran, & Hagler, rank very highly on most all-time lists.

This post demonstrates the greatness of Floyd. We talk about his tough fights and ignore other's losses and tough fights. We never talk about how they would deal with him, instead we only chat about how what they will do to him. Thats a good point. There are some reasons for this apparent oversight. Here are some reasons I see: 1) The curse of the counter puncher... It could be argued that there is nothing so flawless, so incredible to behold, than the application of a perfectly timed counter punch. The check hook Floyd used against Hatton for example. A good counter puncher can make a guy afraid to throw a punch. However... Counter punchers are susceptible to styles, needing a guy who can be countered. Counter punchers also need the speed and reflexes, remember what happened to James Toney, a great counter puncher, when he fought a prime Jones? As a great counter puncher Floyd may not have felt the need to go out there and control the fight, dominate the fight from the get-go. This looks less impressive than a KO win, or a fight where one guy leads throughout the fight not setting up for a counter attack. 2) Floyd's brittle hands and his fighting at a heavier weight really diminished his power. So this made it easier for guys to hang in there and keep the fight competative, for example the de la Hoya fight. What it comes down to is dealing with Floyd was never a particularly chess like proposition. Not that it was any easier than dealing with more complexity but basically one probably felt that they would not have to worry about the KO from Floyd. So if you were Hearns for example, getting ready to fight Floyd, your battle plan is the same plan that most would use pretty much. Another fighter that is similar is one of my all time favorites, Sweet Pea! The Pea tried to KO Roger Mayweather and almost paid dearly for it! Fighting Whitaker one would not be thinking that one punch could put them on the deck... does not make it any easier just a characteristic of what Whitaker brings to the table.

lol...hearns was a natural 147 lb. fighter.... so the only way floyd can beat him is to weight drain 'em....lol Why does Floyd always have to fight fighers (fantasy fights) outside his natural weight class.....you guys almost never match him up with a 130, 135, or even 140 fighter, its always a welter or higher in their prime vs past prime Floyd at 147.

Maidanna opened up a lot of opportunity by just coming forward and not respecting the potential for those counters from Floyd. I guess he said to himself something to the effect of "Floyd can't hurt me!" Hatton when he fought Floyd unfortunately was already being protected and fighting off his game, regrdless... he fought at a weight where Floyd's power came through. If one looks at Floyd's entire career and the fights that bothered him, were contraversal, then one can see that a good pressure fighter gave him problems. I always ask myself : what would Duran do if he saw that weakness? what would a guy like Armstrong do lol? These were fellow ATG's who fought at Floyd's weight. There are many more guys but just as a basic sample I mention the above well known fighters. This post demonstrates the greatness of Floyd. We talk about his tough fights and ignore other's losses and tough fights. We never talk about how they would deal with him, instead we only chat about how what they will do to him.

Maidana was the only guy who was succesful at actually countering Floyd's counter punches, especially his "pull counter" which is one of Floyd signature moves Maidanna opened up a lot of opportunity by just coming forward and not respecting the potential for those counters from Floyd. I guess he said to himself something to the effect of "Floyd can't hurt me!" Hatton when he fought Floyd unfortunately was already being protected and fighting off his game, regrdless... he fought at a weight where Floyd's power came through. If one looks at Floyd's entire career and the fights that bothered him, were contraversal, then one can see that a good pressure fighter gave him problems. I always ask myself : what would Duran do if he saw that weakness? what would a guy like Armstrong do lol? These were fellow ATG's who fought at Floyd's weight. There are many more guys but just as a basic sample I mention the above well known fighters.

Except you forgot all these no name fighters that went the distance with him- Luigi Minchillo Murray Sutherland Ernie Singletary Mike Colbert Alfonso Hayman Doug DeWitt Hearns was a great great fighter but he wasn't invincible, if he cant hit you then a major part of him is nullified, his number one asset is his power, with his reach and length punching with such power means he is ungainly in his foot work because they always spread a little and some what anchered and guys with great footwork always gave him problems, its how Ray beat him and its how Marvin Koed him. Floyd can cause Hearns lots of problems because he would be so elusive and he wouldn't ever be in Hearns prime punching range, Floyd would be always right outside or inside because he has the speed and ring IQ to out maneuver him , if Hearns can land with his jab and get the right hand home well you gunna truly find out what Floyds chin is really made off. Hearns has size and power while Floyd has speed and angles, I personally don't think Floyd could give so much size away to such a great fighter, but Floyd is very hard to hit clean and in the later rounds Hearns gets a little ragged with his punches, Floyd is also a better boxer than Ray he just doesn't have his size and power, its no walk in the park for Hearns and Floyd has the ability to steal a UD, if Floyd was the same size he beats all them guys, I just don't think he can beat them at 147-154, now 135-140 that's a different set of fights and Floyd might beat them all at those weights. if floyd/hearns took place in the 80's, same day weigh-in, hearns would just have a height/reach advantage on floyd for the most part, not so much of a weight advantage...., but hearns would be more natural at the weight, and hearns carried the one-punch power of at least a middleweight or super middleweight @ 147 in the right hand, the left hook wasn't shabby, and the jab was a constant piston...hearns just had some serious skills and speed @ 147 that floyd seemed to avoid in similar fighters in his era...

I would take Floyd against anyone at Welter and down historically. Doesn't mean that I would be right all of the time but I trust what I see. Through 50 fights I've seen him make adjustments to position himself to win every fight. I suspect that he would do that if he ever fought any of the greats. No man is invincible, so he could lose but so can they. I have always felt that Hearns and Forest would be the toughest for him to deal with by from what I've seen, I think he would prevail.