How is Tyson Fury a more skilled boxer than Anthony Joshua when:

Ali , Tyson , and Lewis maybe Holyfield are the ONLY guys who one could make case for best resume though resume is SUBJECTIVE ,you haven't figured that out yet im not sure you are capable of understanding that ? :blackeye: If we use JUST statistical math then yes Wlad comes out on top which shows the most dominant HW which also in itself is a VALID argument. At the end of the day theres not more than 5 guys with OVERALL better resumes than Klitchko you can make a case for , so all the other made up fantasy you posted to big up other fighters to Klitchko can be tossed away out the window thats why you decided not to answer the simple questions i asked bc it would expose your straw man angles right ? lol You didnt school or ENLIGHTEN ( lol ) anyone here ,certainly not me !:fing26: ALL those guys I listed HAVE a better resume than Wlad. All the “statistical” evidence that’s supports Wlad is pretty much IRRELEVANT. He only thing he has going for him is number of defenses and length of reign in terms of years. But he has NEVER beaten a truly elite HW during that reign! And also suffered some embarrassing losses! If you can’t understand this your beyond help! Anyway I’m done trying to enlighten you ignoramuses. Already wasted way too much of my time😴😴😴😴

Anybody see the vid of Fury slipping shots in Hatton's gym? The man's ridiculous, and that's him at 25 stone. Somebody do us a favour and post the vid if you know the one I'm on about.

I ever claimed Wlad was the GOAT bc i have different criteria for that ,however i have him in top 5 H2H based on what he could actually do in REAL life combined with statistical FACTS you simpleton. So Norton who lost to Cooney and anyone with a punch is Foremans best win right ? haha see what i just did there ? Ali wasnt a power puncher anyone with that uses even half their brain knows this and that the fact Ali never considered himself a hard puncher (though statistics would show that anyway ) makes anyone claiming other wise look foolish doesnt it , simpleton? You forgot to tell me where would Tyson Fury rank in the 60's ? Do you think Jimmy Young us better than Klitchko its a yes or no question ? lol You forgot to tell me ALL the resumes that rank over Wlad as well ? Oh thats right bc you cant bc therers not many at all ....haha you little worm .:poke: So you agree that Wlad isn’t the GOAT HW, therefore you agree I was right and that retatd was wrong. I ain’t saying Wlad ain’t elite moron I said he’s just about gets in my top 10 HW’s Ali, Tunney, Foreman, Frazier, Tyson, Lewis, Louis, Holyfield etc all have better resume’s than Wlad. Love the way you didn’t deny still living with your parents. Truth hurts doesn’t it, no wonder your so agitated on this forum you must live a very sad lonely life.😔😔😔😔 If Wlad’s resume is so good. Compare his best win to the guys I listed best wins. Compare how many HOF’ers he beat compared to those guys. Compare how many former/current/future lineal champions did he beat. You go on about all these guys he beat but won’t name any of them. Why??? Cause deep down you know he never beat anyone who was truly an elite HW. Anyway I’m done tryna enlighten you two retard’s. You ain’t worth my time

I missed the part where you actually 'prove' HOW that makes me a retard. Until then, it is you who is exposing yourself to be the retard via making unsubstantiated claims. It's no different from me claiming you're a retard because you don't believe Wlad is the GOAT HW or because you believe someone else is the GOAT HW (without having any substantiations to those beliefs). Once again, I missed the part where you actually 'proved' HOW that makes me a retard. My points related to southpaws and mandatories were about accomplishments. On the other hand, you haven't substantiated any of your claims with any factual evidence. Ergo, that is greater indication of a retarded act than the things I've done. Maybe I could, if you actually define the vague word 'elite' in your vague question. You are a certified irrational incompetent in need of logic courses! You keep embarrassing yourself by exposing your need of logic courses, again and again that is plagued with an irrational incompetent. Simple logical syllogism: 1) Being the best /greatest heavyweight champion means to be better than all other heavyweight champions. 2) Being better than all other heavyweight champions means having a better record in championship bouts in relation to the objective of boxing (winning more bouts, getting hit less by the opponent (defensive abilities), landing more effective punches on the opponent (offensive abilities), winning more rounds (combination of offensive and defensive abilities), winning bouts quicker (offensive abilities) and so forth so on). 3) Wladimir Klitschko has the best record out of all heavyweight champions because he has more wins in championship bouts (most proven due to highest consistency), has the highest knockout percentage in championship bouts compared to any past heavyweight champion (best offensive skills), has lost fewer rounds compared to any past heavyweight champion (best offensive and defensive skills), has knocked out more previously unbeaten and UN-KO'ed opponents compared to any past heavyweight champion in history (most proven against the best level of opposition showing the best offensive skills against them) and so forth so on. I can continue listing even more accomplishments but the point is pretty clear! I challenge you to refute my argument for why Wladimir Klitschko isn't the greatest heavyweight of all time and make a fact based, objective and logical argument to demonstrate how any other heavyweight champion is greater than Wladimir Klitschko or the greatest overall! Somehow I doubt you can do that. Do you really think I was gonna read this BS???😭😭😭😭 Why do I need to “define” everything for you? Can you not comprehend how words work??? I’m done with both you retards. Mark Twain has a famous quote about people like you... I’ve wasted enough of my time trying to enlighten you ignoramuses. Some people are beyond help you are one of them. Not even the best HW in his family😭😭😭 Certified retard😂😂😂

Only a fool thinks Foreman won that fight , he clearly didnt . Just like his questionable Stewart win just like the reason why he was stripped of titles for not rematching Shultz and avoiding Tucker ..... i can go on here simpleton but you wouldn't get it if i went beyond resumes . Who was pre Ali Foremans best win? Go ahead simpleton tell me overweight Frazier who never defeatted one true HW puncher bc he himself was a natural 205 pounder wasnt he? I'll wait ! Klitchko never got knocked out by Purity as a matter of fact he was winning almost every rnd and the fight was actually stopped as Wlad was in the process of throwing back . He was also in his early 20's and weighed around 225 and wasnt with Steward yet . You would know all this if you actually watched the fight not look on Wiki . HOFers is a lable or status earned simpleton which Wlad did and will get him that . If you cant see Klitchko would have advantages over any of the names you mentioned or in the very least on par you are the retard on the thread . One things for SURE Klitchko is better than Jimmy Young with a 20% K.O percentage at 210 pounds as MANY guys he fought were right ? Go ahead simpleton tell me otherwise ? :stupid: So again who are ALL theses TOP HW's that had better resumes than Klitchko ? Did you at least rule out Patterson yet ?Hes a legend right ? This is the only thing im asking from you, weasel :owned2: I find it abnormally intriguing that boxing fans continue to overrate ancient boxers whilst severely underrating modern boxers. In other sports, fans come to the acceptance that modern athletes are superior due to the advancement in nutrition, training methods, tactics and so forth so on. However, it seems boxing is one of the only few sports where a specific set of fans just can't seem to accept that modern boxers have improved compared to past boxers. Whether the cause of it is nostalgia or simply a lack of logical thinking abilities of boxing fans compared to fans of other sports. The fact is, objective analysis and evaluation will lead to the conclusion that the sport of boxing has evolved and changed so much, that many past heavyweight champions and their opponents may not even be allowed to compete against modern heavyweights. I would really prefer it if someone actually objectively demonstrated how past heavyweights or boxers in general are so much better than those modern boxers. Instead, all I get is blind belief like it's gospel truth that past boxers are better than modern ones, without any objective evidence being provided for that position.

1) You think Wlad is the GOAT HW that proves you’re retarded. 2) You tried to “substantiate” it with “southpaw’s” and “mandatories”, once again proves you’re a retard 3) You can’t name any elite fighter Wlad beat. Certified Retard! 4) You keep embarrassing yourself taking L after L. Retatd that’s plagued with L’s. You think Wlad is the GOAT HW that proves you’re retarded. I missed the part where you actually 'prove' HOW that makes me a retard. Until then, it is you who is exposing yourself to be the retard via making unsubstantiated claims. It's no different from me claiming you're a retard because you don't believe Wlad is the GOAT HW or because you believe someone else is the GOAT HW (without having any substantiations to those beliefs). You tried to “substantiate” it with “southpaw’s” and “mandatories”, once again proves you’re a retard Once again, I missed the part where you actually 'proved' HOW that makes me a retard. My points related to southpaws and mandatories were about accomplishments. On the other hand, you haven't substantiated any of your claims with any factual evidence. Ergo, that is greater indication of a retarded act than the things I've done. You can’t name any elite fighter Wlad beat. Certified Retard! Maybe I could, if you actually define the vague word 'elite' in your vague question. You are a certified irrational incompetent in need of logic courses! You keep embarrassing yourself taking L after L. Retatd that’s plagued with L’s. You keep embarrassing yourself by exposing your need of logic courses, again and again that is plagued with an irrational incompetent. Simple logical syllogism: 1) Being the best /greatest heavyweight champion means to be better than all other heavyweight champions. 2) Being better than all other heavyweight champions means having a better record in championship bouts in relation to the objective of boxing (winning more bouts, getting hit less by the opponent (defensive abilities), landing more effective punches on the opponent (offensive abilities), winning more rounds (combination of offensive and defensive abilities), winning bouts quicker (offensive abilities) and so forth so on). 3) Wladimir Klitschko has the best record out of all heavyweight champions because he has more wins in championship bouts (most proven due to highest consistency), has the highest knockout percentage in championship bouts compared to any past heavyweight champion (best offensive skills), has lost fewer rounds compared to any past heavyweight champion (best offensive and defensive skills), has knocked out more previously unbeaten and UN-KO'ed opponents compared to any past heavyweight champion in history (most proven against the best level of opposition showing the best offensive skills against them) and so forth so on. I can continue listing even more accomplishments but the point is pretty clear! I challenge you to refute my argument for why Wladimir Klitschko isn't the greatest heavyweight of all time and make a fact based, objective and logical argument to demonstrate how any other heavyweight champion is greater than Wladimir Klitschko or the greatest overall! Somehow I doubt you can do that.

Only a fool thinks Foreman won that fight , he clearly didnt . Just like his questionable Stewart win just like the reason why he was stripped of titles for not rematching Shultz and avoiding Tucker ..... i can go on here simpleton but you wouldn't get it if i went beyond resumes . Who was pre Ali Foremans best win? Go ahead simpleton tell me overweight Frazier who never defeatted one true HW puncher bc he himself was a natural 205 pounder wasnt he? I'll wait ! Klitchko never got knocked out by Purity as a matter of fact he was winning almost every rnd and the fight was actually stopped as Wlad was in the process of throwing back . He was also in his early 20's and weighed around 225 and wasnt with Steward yet . You would know all this if you actually watched the fight not look on Wiki . HOFers is a lable or status earned simpleton which Wlad did and will get him that . If you cant see Klitchko would have advantages over any of the names you mentioned or in the very least on par you are the retard on the thread . One things for SURE Klitchko is better than Jimmy Young with a 20% K.O percentage at 210 pounds as MANY guys he fought were right ? Go ahead simpleton tell me otherwise ? :stupid: So again who are ALL theses TOP HW's that had better resumes than Klitchko ? Did you at least rule out Patterson yet ?Hes a legend right ? This is the only thing im asking from you, weasel :owned2: Owned? As if you could own anything. You probably live in your parents basement FFS😂😂😂 Foremans best win? Frazier or Norton two guys waaaay better than anyone on Wlad’s resume.😂😂 Frazier never beat a true HW puncher😂😂😂 yeah cause that 31-0(25ko’s) Muhammad Ali was feather fisted. Get real retatd. Remind me what great HW punchers did Wlad beat? Fat Sam Peter who dropped him 3 times and you called Frazier overweight you little cretin.😭😭😭 Foreman won MD 12 over Schulz. FACT. Wlad has never beat a HOF’er. FACT. Wlad only ever beat 1 former/current/future LINEAL HW champion. FACT. (And that was an out of shape, over the hill Hasim Rahman) You and the other retard think Wlad is the GOAT HW😭😭😭 Huge L’s!!!! For both of you. Anyway it’s Friday night reatard and because I actually have a life I’m off out. I look forward to laughing at your deluded response in the morning.

1) Prove it! 2) Prove it! 3) Prove it! 4) Prove it! 5) Stop exposing your lack of logic courses taken by avoiding using logical fallacies. As stated, you're begging the question. The first logical step is to ask whether Wladimir Klitschko has a single best win or not. Otherwise, you're skipping a step. 6) I actually know Wladimir Klitschko is the greatest heavyweight of all time (based on analyzing and evaluating his record). 7) Plagued with a lack of logic courses! Perhaps take some to help you think and act a bit more rationally? Since you need it as you seemingly can't go without a single comment using ad hominem attacks and insults. That alone proves you're a retard! 1) You think Wlad is the GOAT HW that proves you’re retarded. 2) You tried to “substantiate” it with “southpaw’s” and “mandatories”, once again proves you’re a retard 3) You can’t name any elite fighter Wlad beat. Certified Retard! 4) You keep embarrassing yourself taking L after L. Retatd that’s plagued with L’s.

"he beat NOBODY on the level of a Foreman, Fraizer, Liston, Patterson etc. Wlad's resume is substandard compared to the majority of all other great HW's. There's no denying it. " Read the above quote simpleton..... read it bc you wrote it . How do you know Povetkin, Pulev ,Haye or Ibragimov to name a few couldn't beat some of those names or be champions in other eras ? Heres where your mistake was you idiot bc we could just point out that Foreman lost easy to win fights in both eras to Young and Shultz among others . We could point out Liston has no key win with anyone over 200 pounds really except Williams and a guy like Patterson who was a 190 pound fighter has the record for being dropped the most as HW champion with almost 20 visits to the canvas so im not sure bringing up chins is a good idea do you? Your continued lack of the sports concept in general is no surprise ,you actually think comparing Klitchko to other top era guys somehow puts him down a notch . No simpleton bc you also match Klitchko with the same fighters that they did to get a evaluation of head to head matches and when you do that you see Klitchko defeats most easier than they did also combine that with how he dominated his fights...ha ha what a little simpleton you are....................... . :duh: So go ahead enlighten me with your limited IQ straw man logic on how Klitchkos resume is substandard to MOST top HW 's bc if you do you will be the one getting grinded here thats for sure !:cool2: Heres a question for you , a simple one for a simpleTON ....lol How would Tyson Fury do in the 1960's era ? First off Foreman beat Schulz and was like 46 and way past his prime. Pre Ali Foreman was a beast, he’d destroy the likes of Wlad in a couple of rounds. We all know what happens when someone lands on that chin. Let’s remember in his athletic prime got KTFO by Sanders, Brewster and Purrity�������� Boxrec won’t teach you everything kid. All those guys I named have something in common there all HOF’ers, how many HOF’ers did Wlad beat????? That’s right ZERO!!! Keep choking on those L’s b*tch. LLLLLLLLLLLLLL

I actually know Wladimir Klitschko is the greatest heavyweight of all time https://i.imgur.com/ldbtWyi.gif

1) You’re a retatd 2) You’re retarded 3) You are a retard 4) You are retarded 5) Stop whining like a little b*tch and just answer the question: in your opinion what’s Wlad’s best win? Simple. 6) You actually think Wlad is the GOAT HW 😂😂😂😂. Man your so deluded. 7) Plagued with L’s. LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL 1) Prove it! 2) Prove it! 3) Prove it! 4) Prove it! 5) Stop exposing your lack of logic courses taken by avoiding using logical fallacies. As stated, you're begging the question. The first logical step is to ask whether Wladimir Klitschko has a single best win or not. Otherwise, you're skipping a step. 6) I actually know Wladimir Klitschko is the greatest heavyweight of all time (based on analyzing and evaluating his record). 7) Plagued with a lack of logic courses! Perhaps take some to help you think and act a bit more rationally? Since you need it as you seemingly can't go without a single comment using ad hominem attacks and insults. That alone proves you're a retard!

"he beat NOBODY on the level of a Foreman, Fraizer, Liston, Patterson etc. Wlad's resume is substandard compared to the majority of all other great HW's. There's no denying it. " Read the above quote simpleton..... read it bc you wrote it . How do you know Povetkin, Pulev ,Haye or Ibragimov to name a few couldn't beat some of those names or be champions in other eras ? Heres where your mistake was you idiot bc we could just point out that Foreman lost easy to win fights in both eras to Young and Shultz among others . We could point out Liston has no key win with anyone over 200 pounds really except Williams and a guy like Patterson who was a 190 pound fighter has the record for being dropped the most as HW champion with almost 20 visits to the canvas so im not sure bringing up chins is a good idea do you? Your continued lack of the sports concept in general is no surprise ,you actually think comparing Klitchko to other top era guys somehow puts him down a notch . No simpleton bc you also match Klitchko with the same fighters that they did to get a evaluation of head to head matches and when you do that you see Klitchko defeats most easier than they did also combine that with how he dominated his fights...ha ha what a little simpleton you are....................... . :duh: So go ahead enlighten me with your limited IQ straw man logic on how Klitchkos resume is substandard to MOST top HW 's bc if you do you will be the one getting grinded here thats for sure !:cool2: Heres a question for you , a simple one for a simpleTON ....lol How would Tyson Fury do in the 1960's era ? Yeah but more importantly, have you washed your greasy hair yet?

WHO THE FOOK IS THIS GUY?????? Here’s a question for you: how’s gangstaz *ss taste? I want the organ grinder not the little *ss licking monkey. I ain’t saying Wlad ain’t elite I’m saying he ain’t the GOAT HW. Which anyone who knows anything about boxing would agree with. Enjoy that L b*tch!������ Careful buddy...obviously you haven't bore witness to juggernaut's heavy bag video.

I noticed there's no 'whilst' in paragraph 6...but there was 2 in paragraph 5. So I guess there's effectively 1 'whilst' per paragraph.

What so called elite HW would Wlad need to defeat to say hes elite ? Sorry to break it to you but you can only judge a fighter in his own era and putting Klitchko in other eras wouldnt be hard to do would it if we played the straw man game would it ? What exactly IS elite to you ,and why not answer this question ? I'll tell you why ,bc then gangstaz will counter with examples of ANY fighter you point out with their fights to who Klitchko wouldn't break a sweat and he has literally YEARS as examples with Manny Steward if he went that route . WHO THE FOOK IS THIS GUY?????? Here’s a question for you: how’s gangstaz *ss taste? I want the organ grinder not the little *ss licking monkey. I ain’t saying Wlad ain’t elite I’m saying he ain’t the GOAT HW. Which anyone who knows anything about boxing would agree with. Enjoy that L b*tch!😂😂😂

Wait a minute, this guy is claiming that Wlad Klitschko is the greatest of all time? LOL. Wlad isn't even the best boxer in his family. That made me laugh cause it's true. Not taking anything away from Wlad but Vitali had a never die attitude, hit harder and could take some heavy hits himself.

Wait a minute, this guy is claiming that Wlad Klitschko is the greatest of all time? LOL. Wlad isn't even the best boxer in his family. Exact same thing I said😂😂😂 This guy is sooo deluded.

1) In regards to my claims being far from substantiated. Yes, they are substantiated. I've given evidence and facts which supports my claim as to why Wladimir Klitschko is the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time. What facts and evidence have you provided that supports your claim that the boxer you select as the greatest heavyweight of all time is the greatest heavyweight of all time? That's right! None! 2) Prove / explain how Wladimir Klitschko beating most southpaws and mandatory / top ranked opponents is meaningless! 3) In regards to who is the best fighter Wladimir Klitschko has boxed against. You've just committed a begging the question logical fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question You are clearly in need of logic courses. Since you just assumed Wladimir Klitschko has only one best opponent which he boxed against (which is false). 4) In regards to which elite heavyweights did Wladimir Klitschko beat. Define 'elite' first. Then I'll answer your question. So do you really want to compare the records of those aforementioned boxers you've listed to some of Wladimir Klitschko's best opponents? You're plagued with a lack of logic courses! Take some L courses! 1) You’re a retatd 2) You’re retarded 3) You are a retard 4) You are retarded 5) Stop whining like a little b*tch and just answer the question: in your opinion what’s Wlad’s best win? Simple. 6) You actually think Wlad is the GOAT HW 😂😂😂😂. Man your so deluded. 7) Plagued with L’s. LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Wait a minute, this guy is claiming that Wlad Klitschko is the greatest of all time? LOL. Wlad isn't even the best boxer in his family.

It's difficult comparing different eras. Sports science has improved beyond all recognition, conditioning should be far better. Refereeing had changed also, watch one of the brutal 15 round fights from back then, it would typically be stopped much earlier today. I made he point above about the depth of quality back hen, it's unfair however to mark down Klitschko for the calibre of his opponents, I'm not aware of any top hw that he dodged. The standard dropped because the best athletes were going to nba or nfl. It's difficult comparing different eras. It certainly is! Sports science has improved beyond all recognition, conditioning should be far better. That is true too! Which should indicate that modern boxers in general should be superior to ancient boxers overall in all areas of boxing that matter. Refereeing had changed also, watch one of the brutal 15 round fights from back then, it would typically be stopped much earlier today. Likewise, modern boxers are able to produce knockouts much quicker than ancient boxers due to having the power to finish off opponents quicker. Whilst ancient boxers didn't have as much power to finish off opponents as quick. The standard dropped because the best athletes were going to nba or nfl. Or perhaps the standard ONLY dropped in USA and not in the rest of the world because the rest of the world started competing in boxing when the standard supposedly dropped in USA (Soviets started competing since the 1990's)?