Heavyweight boxing is back and we should all be happy.

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Holmes last defended his title in 1985, he didn't beat a single title holder after that. He already lost to a blown up LHW 2x in his 2nd fight at HW 3 years earlier lmao. You're really embarrassing yourself I hope you know that. Holmes didn't win a single title after he lost it in '85, he lost to Spinks 2x, Holyfield, McCall, Nielsen, 0-5 Sorry to tell you, but that's gatekeeper status, that's the type of shyt Chisora does. Now your dismissing Michael Spinks HAHAHAHAHA😭😭 more L's for you. This is how I know your just going off boxrec. Allow me to educate you, Holmes arguably beat Spinks in both fights, and Spinks was a legit fighter the lineal LH champ. Also Holmes didn't go 0-5 he went 0-3 against 2 HOF'ers, and two of the fights were very close. That ain't no journeyman you fool, also following those losses he beat undefeated former WBO champ Ray Mercer that ain't no gatekeeper. Your boxing knowledge is laughable, everyone can see your just a fraud going off boxrec. Proved wrong once again retard! Your riddled with L's 😂😂😂😂😭😭😭

Holmes was a gatekeeper and no better than Chisora����������HAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!! Where do you get this stuff???������ I've never heard such vacuous nonsense. C'mon man go all in and tell me Andre Ward beats Roy Jones������ Holmes last defended his title in 1985, he didn't beat a single title holder after that. He already lost to a blown up LHW 2x in his 2nd fight at HW 3 years earlier lmao. You're really embarrassing yourself I hope you know that. Holmes didn't win a single title after he lost it in '85, he lost to Spinks 2x, Holyfield, McCall, Nielsen, 0-5 Sorry to tell you, but that's gatekeeper status, that's the type of shyt Chisora does.

You seem to not understand that you can use weight to help pinpoint a Heavyweight fighter's prime, when they were in their absolute best shape. 1. The fight has been shown numerous times on TV, Holmes weighed 226lbs the heaviest of his career. Prime Holmes was in 1980 or so and averaged 212lbs on weigh ins. Holmes was gatekeeper status at that point, losses to Spinks, Tyson, Holyfield, McCall, etc. When you lose that often you're no better than a Chisora. 2. Lewis fought Vitali 2 years later, that's a 2 year gap. Not sure what you're not understanding. He was vacationing and filming for Oceans 11 when he fought Rahman the 1st time. 2nd time he came motivated, dropped 7lbs of fat and starched him. That was the last time we saw any semblance of prime Lewis. 3. Doesn't change the fact they got dropped by blown up light heavies, while you criticize guys like AJ for getting dropped by 6'6 240lb Wlad or Wilder for simply getting hit. There is nobody built like Galento or Cooper at HW because it's impossible for them to exist with the giants of today. Even guys like Mike Mollo and Joey Abell hit significantly harder than Galento and Cooper. 4. Why couldn't Mike KO these fighters? I want to hear your excuse lmao, I already know the reason, it's because it's harder to generate power punching upwards. Holmes was a gatekeeper and no better than Chisora😭😭😭😭😭HAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!! Where do you get this stuff???😂😂😂 I've never heard such vacuous nonsense. C'mon man go all in and tell me Andre Ward beats Roy Jones😂😂😂

After the 10+ years of Klitschko dominance and no real challengers, we're entering another golden age. Anthony Joshua Joseph Parker Deontay Wilder Dominic Breazeale Jarrell Miller Andy Ruiz Jr. Charles Martin Dillian Whyte Luis Ortiz Alexander Povetkin Kubrat Pulev Carlos Takam Daniel Dubois Joe Joyce Tony Yoka This is looking super healthy right now, and wide open. In the next five years we're likely going to see a true ATG emerge from this era. And this isn't even including the return of the best out of the lot, The Gypsy King. Came here to red K you for not having Fury at the top of the list but this last line saved you. Fury is the undisputed champ and no one in the division can hand him a L.

Holmes was 38, born in 49 and the fight was in January 88. Looks like you just misread boxrec���� As I told you kid boxrec won't teach you everything! And are you honestly trying to say Larry Holmes was a "glorified journeyman" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!���� You are unbelievable!���������� So according to you: 1. Holmes was journeyman 2. Lewis was both old, out of shape and in his prime in the same fight. 3. Louis and Ali aren't as good as today's HW's cause they got dropped by smaller fighters (but still won) 4. Mike Tyson struggled to generate power. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA���������� Damn, your riddled with L's, you've got to be the ludicrous person I've ever had the misfortune of interacting with. I was getting bored of this nonesense but your comedy gold! Keep the nonesense coming! ���������� You seem to not understand that you can use weight to help pinpoint a Heavyweight fighter's prime, when they were in their absolute best shape. 1. The fight has been shown numerous times on TV, Holmes weighed 226lbs the heaviest of his career. Prime Holmes was in 1980 or so and averaged 212lbs on weigh ins. Holmes was gatekeeper status at that point, losses to Spinks, Tyson, Holyfield, McCall, etc. When you lose that often you're no better than a Chisora. 2. Lewis fought Vitali 2 years later, that's a 2 year gap. Not sure what you're not understanding. He was vacationing and filming for Oceans 11 when he fought Rahman the 1st time. 2nd time he came motivated, dropped 7lbs of fat and starched him. That was the last time we saw any semblance of prime Lewis. 3. Doesn't change the fact they got dropped by blown up light heavies, while you criticize guys like AJ for getting dropped by 6'6 240lb Wlad or Wilder for simply getting hit. There is nobody built like Galento or Cooper at HW because it's impossible for them to exist with the giants of today. Even guys like Mike Mollo and Joey Abell hit significantly harder than Galento and Cooper. 4. Why couldn't Mike KO these fighters? I want to hear your excuse lmao, I already know the reason, it's because it's harder to generate power punching upwards.

Hey genius, you listed nothing but journeymen. Biggs-10 losses, stopped 7 times Holmes-39 years old everyone knows he was past it Williams-10 losses stopped 6 times Ribalta-17 losses stopped 9 times Thomas-7 losses stopped 7 times You see? This right here is what I'm talking about, these guys are glorified journeymen made famous by guys pumping up Tyson's resume. They didn't do anything before or after fighting Tyson. Meanwhile guys like Stiverne or Duahapaus get no respect lol. Most of these guys aren't even that big either, Biggs is the largest guy at 6'5 228, that's barely around Eric Molina's size who is 6'4 235-250 and NOBODY thinks of Molina as a large heavyweight. Most guys these days are pushing 240 at least. Still doesn't change the fact that he went a full 12 with the fighters I listed, he had trouble knocking out taller guys. I need more of your nonesense. Go all in, tell me Andre Ward beats Roy Jones or something stupid like that😂😂😂😂

Hey genius, you listed nothing but journeymen. Biggs-10 losses, stopped 7 times Holmes-39 years old everyone knows he was past it Williams-10 losses stopped 6 times Ribalta-17 losses stopped 9 times Thomas-7 losses stopped 7 times You see? This right here is what I'm talking about, these guys are glorified journeymen made famous by guys pumping up Tyson's resume. They didn't do anything before or after fighting Tyson. Meanwhile guys like Stiverne or Duahapaus get no respect lol. Most of these guys aren't even that big either, Biggs is the largest guy at 6'5 228, that's barely around Eric Molina's size who is 6'4 235-250 and NOBODY thinks of Molina as a large heavyweight. Most guys these days are pushing 240 at least. Still doesn't change the fact that he went a full 12 with the fighters I listed, he had trouble knocking out taller guys. You compared Larry Holmes to Stiverne and Duhaupas😂😂😂😂😂 Comedy Gold!😂

Hey genius, you listed nothing but journeymen. Biggs-10 losses, stopped 7 times Holmes-39 years old everyone knows he was past it Williams-10 losses stopped 6 times Ribalta-17 losses stopped 9 times Thomas-7 losses stopped 7 times You see? This right here is what I'm talking about, these guys are glorified journeymen made famous by guys pumping up Tyson's resume. They didn't do anything before or after fighting Tyson. Meanwhile guys like Stiverne or Duahapaus get no respect lol. Most of these guys aren't even that big either, Biggs is the largest guy at 6'5 228, that's barely around Eric Molina's size who is 6'4 235-250 and NOBODY thinks of Molina as a large heavyweight. Most guys these days are pushing 240 at least. Still doesn't change the fact that he went a full 12 with the fighters I listed, he had trouble knocking out taller guys. Holmes was 38, born in 49 and the fight was in January 88. Looks like you just misread boxrec😂😂 As I told you kid boxrec won't teach you everything! And are you honestly trying to say Larry Holmes was a "glorified journeyman" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!😭😭 You are unbelievable!😭😭😭😭😭 So according to you: 1. Holmes was journeyman 2. Lewis was both old, out of shape and in his prime in the same fight. 3. Louis and Ali aren't as good as today's HW's cause they got dropped by smaller fighters (but still won) 4. Mike Tyson struggled to generate power. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA😭😭😭😭😭 Damn, your riddled with L's, you've got to be the ludicrous person I've ever had the misfortune of interacting with. I was getting bored of this nonesense but your comedy gold! Keep the nonesense coming! 😂😂😂😂😂

Your the one who said he was "out of shape" vs Rahman and then said Rahman knocked out a "prime Lewis". Just read YOUR own words. Idiot😴😴😴😴 Out of shape doesn't=out of prime, you're taking my words out of context. 253lb Lewis that fought Rahman is severely out of shape. 246lb Lewis that re-matched Rahman, motivated by KO loss=As good a Lewis as you'll see 2 years later 256lb 38 year old Lewis-Obese, no motivation=Severely past prime

Tyrell Biggs 6"5, Carl Williams 6"4, Larry Holmes 6"3, Jose Ribalta 6"5, Pinklon Thomas 6"3. All got KO'd. Plus the 30-40 other fighters who he knocked out regardless of size. And you think Tyson couldn't "generate power" HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! ������ Your literally the biggest idiot ever. �������� Hey genius, you listed nothing but journeymen. Biggs-10 losses, stopped 7 times Holmes-39 years old everyone knows he was past it Williams-10 losses stopped 6 times Ribalta-17 losses stopped 9 times Thomas-7 losses stopped 7 times You see? This right here is what I'm talking about, these guys are glorified journeymen made famous by guys pumping up Tyson's resume. They didn't do anything before or after fighting Tyson. Meanwhile guys like Stiverne or Duahapaus get no respect lol. Most of these guys aren't even that big either, Biggs is the largest guy at 6'5 228, that's barely around Eric Molina's size who is 6'4 235-250 and NOBODY thinks of Molina as a large heavyweight. Most guys these days are pushing 240 at least. Still doesn't change the fact that he went a full 12 with the fighters I listed, he had trouble knocking out taller guys.

Mitch Green 6'5 went a full 12 with Tyson James Smith 6'4 went a full 12 with Tyson Tony Tucker 6'5 went a full 12 with Tyson Lewis 6'5 knocked out Tyson Tyson is the hardest hitting, BEST, short HW of all time and even he had trouble generating enough power to KO taller fighters. Consider yourself educated. Seriously though, re-evaluate everything you have ever learned about boxing, if you could be THIS wrong, think about how wrong you are about everything else. Tyrell Biggs 6"5, Carl Williams 6"4, Larry Holmes 6"3, Jose Ribalta 6"5, Pinklon Thomas 6"3. All got KO'd. Plus the 30-40 other fighters who he knocked out regardless of size. And you think Tyson couldn't "generate power" HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! 😭😭😭 Your literally the biggest idiot ever. 😴😴😴😴

I can't help if you don't understand the 2 year difference. Lewis came in at a trim 246, not 256 like he did against Vitali. He was motivated 2 years earlier, not 2 years later. Your the one who said he was "out of shape" vs Rahman and then said Rahman knocked out a "prime Lewis". Just read YOUR own words. Idiot😴😴😴😴

More lies������ "Prime Lewis was knocked out by Rahman" your exact words and no mention of tail end. Keep on digging that hole your in. As I said you don't merit no more serious responses from me now. Your an ignorant fool ���������� Go and enjoy your imaginary "golden age" of HW boxing where not one fighter has a legit win to their name���������� I can't help if you don't understand the 2 year difference. Lewis came in at a trim 246, not 256 like he did against Vitali. He was motivated 2 years earlier, not 2 years later.

"Impossible to generate the power". HAHAHAHAHA�������� You ever heard of Mike Tyson. He was 5 ft 10, 215lbs. Your just embarrassing yourself even more now. Your absolutely riddled with L's �������� Mitch Green 6'5 went a full 12 with Tyson James Smith 6'4 went a full 12 with Tyson Tony Tucker 6'5 went a full 12 with Tyson Lewis 6'5 knocked out Tyson Tyson is the hardest hitting, BEST, short HW of all time and even he had trouble generating enough power to KO taller fighters. Consider yourself educated. Seriously though, re-evaluate everything you have ever learned about boxing, if you could be THIS wrong, think about how wrong you are about everything else.

Joe Joyce? :lol1: There are a few solid fighters in there but you are really stretching with that list. I heard he's fighting Tom Little next month on the Bellew-Haye II undercard. That is a cracking matchup for his second pro fight. I love how he's taking out the trash in his early career. Little is an annoying coont from down south who professes to be a gypsy, tries to act hard and calls out fighters who'd wipe the floor with him. Gonna enjoy seeing him get a reality check.

I said tail end of his prime, he wouldn't fight Vitali until 2 years later. Just admit you're wrong. Last time Lewis was really motivated was after coming back from a KO loss in the rematch. You think Kirk Johnson was going to motivate him? Like I said, 38 years old, hadn't fought in a year, already beat Tyson, this guy came in at 256lbs and beat a young hungry Vitali. This guy was carrying around 10lbs of pure fat in the ring compared to the motivated version that fought Rahman in their 2nd fight. I'm saying this era is just as good as any other, if not better, you're the one saying this era is trash. You can't say this era is trash when the past eras have shown so many flaws. This isn't the 00's, that era was trash, this is a new era. You said these guys couldn't hang with the golden age of heavies despite the golden age fighters losing or getting dropped in embarrassing fashion by far lesser guys. Maybe the past eras aren't as good as you believe they are when guys are getting dropped by 185lb fighters, or KO'd by Douglas, McCall, a whole other host of journeymen because that sure as hell isn't happening in this era. What, you think 200lb fighters from that past era were somehow special? That they could somehow take a harder punch, and hit harder than 200lb men today? That's not how things work. We don't see any men this size in HW boxing today because it's IMPOSSIBLE to generate the power or even have the durability to take these punches. The best things you can come up to criticize these current fighters is Wilder getting clipped by Molina (which he took with no problem), and a 4 year pro Joshua getting dropped by a 6'6 240lb Klitschko. Wake me up when they're getting dropped by glorified cruiser weights, and knocked out by journeymen. "Impossible to generate the power". HAHAHAHAHA😭😭😭😭 You ever heard of Mike Tyson. He was 5 ft 10, 215lbs. Your just embarrassing yourself even more now. Your absolutely riddled with L's 😂😂😂😂

I said tail end of his prime, he wouldn't fight Vitali until 2 years later. Just admit you're wrong. Last time Lewis was really motivated was after coming back from a KO loss in the rematch. You think Kirk Johnson was going to motivate him? Like I said, 38 years old, hadn't fought in a year, already beat Tyson, this guy came in at 256lbs and beat a young hungry Vitali. This guy was carrying around 10lbs of pure fat in the ring compared to the motivated version that fought Rahman in their 2nd fight. More lies🤥🤥🤥 "Prime Lewis was knocked out by Rahman" your exact words and no mention of tail end. Keep on digging that hole your in. As I said you don't merit no more serious responses from me now. Your an ignorant fool 😴😴😴😴😴 Go and enjoy your imaginary "golden age" of HW boxing where not one fighter has a legit win to their name😭😭😭😭😭

So was it "prime Lewis" or an "out of shape old man". Keep contradicting yourself you cretin. Your made of L's today 😂😂😂 I said tail end of his prime, he wouldn't fight Vitali until 2 years later. Just admit you're wrong. Last time Lewis was really motivated was after coming back from a KO loss in the rematch. You think Kirk Johnson was going to motivate him? Like I said, 38 years old, hadn't fought in a year, already beat Tyson, this guy came in at 256lbs and beat a young hungry Vitali. This guy was carrying around 10lbs of pure fat in the ring compared to the motivated version that fought Rahman in their 2nd fight.

Louis' resume is slightly overrated, that's why I didn't list him but your trying to say wins over Baer, Schmelling, Walcott, Sharkey etc. don't matter just because Galento landed a fluke left hook. What happened next? Louis knocked him out in the very next round. Are you trying to say wins over Fraizer, Liston, Foreman, Folley, Patterson, Moore, Foster, Norton etc don't matter because Ali got dropped by a 190lb Henry Cooper (then got off the floor and won) ������ your an idiot bro. It's HW boxing people get tagged they get hurt but good fighters find a way to win. Is Wilder a bum cause he got tagged by Molina. Is AJ a bum cause he got tagged by Whyte? Look at the list of fighters Ali and Louis beat. Try and give me a list of who AJ and Wilder have beat in this "golden age" of HW boxing. You clearly have no understanding of this sport, I could guarantee you haven't watched these fighters of the past, you just look at boxrec and judge and dismiss them without properly studying them as I said uneducated ignoramus. You'll probably come back spewing more vacuous nonsense but you will not get a serious response from me- because your ignorance does not merit one. I'm saying this era is just as good as any other, if not better, you're the one saying this era is trash. You can't say this era is trash when the past eras have shown so many flaws. This isn't the 00's, that era was trash, this is a new era. You said these guys couldn't hang with the golden age of heavies despite the golden age fighters losing or getting dropped in embarrassing fashion by far lesser guys. Maybe the past eras aren't as good as you believe they are when guys are getting dropped by 185lb fighters, or KO'd by Douglas, McCall, a whole other host of journeymen because that sure as hell isn't happening in this era. What, you think 200lb fighters from that past era were somehow special? That they could somehow take a harder punch, and hit harder than 200lb men today? That's not how things work. We don't see any men this size in HW boxing today because it's IMPOSSIBLE to generate the power or even have the durability to take these punches. The best things you can come up to criticize these current fighters is Wilder getting clipped by Molina (which he took with no problem), and a 4 year pro Joshua getting dropped by a 6'6 240lb Klitschko. Wake me up when they're getting dropped by glorified cruiser weights, and knocked out by journeymen.