How many professional boxers do you think dope

I agree, just the black guys... Great observation but being black does not inherently make you a cheating scum. In fact it's really not even cheating it's just leveling the playing field because of the huge advantages fighters of other races have in the ring since their ancestors weren't allegedly unwilling slaves.

The only ones we have solid proof of are Floyd Mayweather Jr, Andre Ward and a few Heavyweights. I agree, just the black guys... You're a a fückin retard, why do you even watch boxing if it causes you so much pain ? I can't work out who is the most retarded, you, Daggum or Golovkin or whatever his user name is these days, you're all neck and neck bonafide imbeciles motivated by race. Call yourself boxing fans ? You can't even be honest with yourselves.

Most. I cant believe PEDs are still so misunderstood when there are tons of documentaries ect out there any sports fan can watch. People can be really niave because they want to believe their hero doesnt "cheat". Biggest misconceptions IMO: 1. you can tell someone roids by body type - guys like James Toney and Fernando vargas were busted. Peds arent just for ripped guys and peds arent just steroids. Was lance armstrong a giant meathead? 2. thinking Peds are only steroids - there is all kinds of chit now days, EPO, growth hormone, insulin ect. Whatever your sport, there are shady doctors that will come up with an optimum brew to make them excel and its not just muscle mass, its stamina, recovery time in training ect 3. xyz never tested positive - neither did shane mosley or lance armstrong. Base level testing (before/after fights) is worthless in boxing. Random olympic style testing has its limits. Organizations like wada dont run the labs, they only have inspectors. Theres a 2017 documentary on netflix now, the entire olympic russian team had a free for all to use whatever they wanted because they had people at the labs swap out their urine samples at night right under the noses of wada/vada. You think the russians are the only ones doing this? they were the only ones that got caught. There has definitely been a shift in the last 10-15 or so years in boxers longevity. Late 30s - early 40s boxers are dominating the younger guys. In the 80s and 90s you used to be shot by 35. Its not just one or two 40 year old fighters, which could be explained by lucky genetics, its a lot of them, the over all bar for longevity has been set back by 5-10 years and its not from better protein powder. i agree with most of what you said, but guys also came out of a horrible amateur system with a points for punches system, and needed longer to adjust to pro boxing at the top, and thus moved more slowly. there's also an increasing amount of protected matchmaking, and fighters themselves are starting to seek it out and seek out managers like haymon, who have their guys fight less and pay them to skip fights. so yes, PEDs are definitely stretching out careers, but so are "mandatories" and easy fights, which were always around, but are becoming increasingly more common. after watching ali turn into the sad case he became i don't blame fighters for wanting to take the easiest path to the most money, stretch out their careers by fighting lesser competition before cashing out and retiring.

if you're talking about championship level fighters' i'd say "most".

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Doesn't matter, people pick and choose who they like as a cheater or not. Look how people, especially on here were vocal with Povetkin but as soon as guys like Toney, Jones, Mosley, and others are mentioned, crickets.

Most. I cant believe PEDs are still so misunderstood when there are tons of documentaries ect out there any sports fan can watch. People can be really niave because they want to believe their hero doesnt "cheat". Biggest misconceptions IMO: 1. you can tell someone roids by body type - guys like James Toney and Fernando vargas were busted. Peds arent just for ripped guys and peds arent just steroids. Was lance armstrong a giant meathead? 2. thinking Peds are only steroids - there is all kinds of chit now days, EPO, growth hormone, insulin ect. Whatever your sport, there are shady doctors that will come up with an optimum brew to make them excel and its not just muscle mass, its stamina, recovery time in training ect 3. xyz never tested positive - neither did shane mosley or lance armstrong. Base level testing (before/after fights) is worthless in boxing. Random olympic style testing has its limits. Organizations like wada dont run the labs, they only have inspectors. Theres a 2017 documentary on netflix now, the entire olympic russian team had a free for all to use whatever they wanted because they had people at the labs swap out their urine samples at night right under the noses of wada/vada. You think the russians are the only ones doing this? they were the only ones that got caught. There has definitely been a shift in the last 10-15 or so years in boxers longevity. Late 30s - early 40s boxers are dominating the younger guys. In the 80s and 90s you used to be shot by 35. Its not just one or two 40 year old fighters, which could be explained by lucky genetics, its a lot of them, the over all bar for longevity has been set back by 5-10 years and its not from better protein powder.

everybody is on steroids - Nate Diaz

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I think most of them did, i think the numbers are probably going down nowadays due to the awareness of random testing during training camp and after fights. Hopefully we get down to the yearly stuff soon.

most of them, and the thing is once they start they cannot stop, as they feel weak, vulnerable and lose confidence, so they try to find better ways, that is more difficult to detect, hoping not to get caught, it's all risk/reward, most boxers are average and know they wouldn't make it, so they look for an advantage, if they don't get caught they make a few bucks, if they do get caught, well they were not going to make any money regardless.

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Do you realize all sports are competing at higher levels longer today because of scientific training and nutrition. Why are you children such retards that you cant see past your nose. Hey Little boy are you aware that today many athletes are using HGH and steroids and many have found scientific ways of masking it like IV Floyd or Lance Armstrong, Mosley the Clear was able to pass drug test. You're like a waste of time. This is the last time I debate with Child or someone that has a Child mind set

Firstly, you have to define what you mean by the word 'dope'. If you're referring to boxers that are chemically enhanced, then I'd argue that in this 21st century, practically every elite athlete in every competitive athletic sport from 1st world countries are chemically enhanced in some way or another. A 100% clean / natural athlete doesn't exist in the 21st century excluding extremely rare exceptions. It's really simple! Ask yourself how many athletes had the physique and performance of the modern athletes during the 1950's, 1940's or before. Practically none! Only in the modern era do we have athletes that are as physically big as Anthony Joshua that also retain athletic performance at that size. Most guys that size were usually sick or had some sort of physical disorder during the 50's. How is it that athletes today are as athletic in terms of performance and physique? It's because they are almost always artificially enhanced through chemical means. I also don't agree with the idea that just modern training is the reason why athletes are the way they are in the modern era. I challenge anybody to just train using the modern training system and see if they can be as athletic as the likes of Anthony Joshua and other elite boxers. It's a combination of advanced chemicals and modern training which athletes use to be the way they are today. Ultimately, artificial chemical enhancement is artificial chemical enhancement. That is a norm in the 21st century. Even average human beings from 1st world countries have their bodies filled with artificial chemicals which are found in beefs and even some fruits. So does it really matter which kind of drug an athlete consumes if the results / benefits are the same? Considering it would still make that athlete 'unclean' and 'unnatural' irrespective of what kind of artificial chemicals they consume to enhance themselves. Some drugs are banned whilst others aren't. However, the main question is what grounds are the banned drugs banned whilst on what grounds are the legal drugs legal? Most of the time, the reasons are arbitrary! Therefore, I really don't care if any athlete in the 21st century is 'doping' because it is the norm of the modern civilization. It is the reason why athletes in the modern era are superior to athletes from the past. If athletes don't consume any artificial chemicals today, then they really won't be much different from the athletes of the 1950's. So simply, an athlete consuming illegal drugs isn't anymore of a 'cheater' or 'criminal' than an athlete consuming legal drugs when a lot of the time, both set of drugs provide the same benefits. The grounds at which specific drugs are allowed and disallowed are simply arbitrary and don't have solid basis.

When you see guys competing at 35 and they are still fighting like they are 20 than you know they are doping. Take a look at the 70'80's most fighter were done by age 32. When you see a guy use IV's you know he's doping. When you see a 126 pound feather go up to 154 and knocking dudes out than you know he's doping. Than he stops using and he can't knock out a fly Do you realize all sports are competing at higher levels longer today because of scientific training and nutrition. Why are you children such retards that you cant see past your nose.

When you see guys competing at 35 and they are still fighting like they are 20 than you know they are doping. Take a look at the 70'80's most fighter were done by age 32. When you see a guy use IV's you know he's doping. When you see a 126 pound feather go up to 154 and knocking dudes out than you know he's doping. Than he stops using and he can't knock out a fly

Any of them who can afford the proper ppl around them in order to pass the tests. ^ this guy gets it

Any of them who can afford the proper ppl around them in order to pass the tests.