Would Mayweather Still Be Considered Great If He Had a Loss?

ofcourse ofcourse he would! look at the mans resume and accomplishments, being undefeated is just the cherry on top

Really? Winky walked away from a 50/50 offer? You're one of the posters here that I think is true quality, but with all due respect, is there some link or proof of that? Again, I think 55/45 was more than fair, but I didn't know he walked away from 50/50. What was he thinking? You are correct I just double checked and it was 55-45 that Winky turned down. Still a career high pay day though.

It was Winky Wright who turned down the fight with Mayweather anyway. He had a career high pay day on the table and he walked away. It was Floyd and Arum who turned down 50/50. Floyd made his usual demands and Wnky agreed to all of them. They agreed on 154 and Winky could not gain more than 8 pounds on day of fight. Agreed on 50/50 and then Arum said no, 55/45. Floyd was looking for an excuse to back out of that fight from the start.

Floyd would still be great of course, but he would be knocked down a few pegs on the ATG list. He also would have made considerably less money. He would still be one of the top drawing boxers ever, but maybe not number one. That 0 was a very strong selling point and it made up for the fact that he wasn't a toe to toe offensive-minded fighter with KO power that people really love.

Really? I thought it actually fell apart because of more Arum shenanigans. Saying they will make it for 50/50, then changing it up. But either way, you're right. The offer was 55/45 I believe, which would have been significant for Winky and actually fair in my opinion, and Winky walked. The final offer was 50/50 which was more than fair. A lot of talk and posturing from both sides but in the end Winky walked from a career high pay day. Winky did the same thing with Oscar, Margarito and a Taylor rematch. He walked away from career high pay days in all of those fights.

Ok. Then let me fix that. You're a butthurt f@g because he beat one of your favorite contemporary fighters. Does that work for you now? Why would a Floyd fan be disgruntled. That's for those of you who are upset about him beating one of your favorite fighters. At least you have the decency to bring up past era greats to hide behind whom he couldn't possibly fight instead of the one he beat that made you cry all over threads about him. No one is fooled. Go through all of what? You're gonna make this easy. LMAO. This is the first one you bring up? Winky Wright. Fvck out of here. So the first one that comes to your mind is a 154lb fighter, when Mayweahther has never weighed more than, what....151? And You expected Mayweather to give him the advantage at weight and make it 50/50 purse spit? You're more butthurt than I thought :lol1: By your definition, Manny Pacquiao ducked Sergio Martinez? Right? He said he would fight him. Said the weight he would fight him at, Sergio agreed. Sergio said he'd take less money. Duck! Right??? More bullshlt. Arum stated that Floyd would fight Margarito but wanted guarantees connected to renewing that contract. 10million for Cotto and Hatton, but Arum only offered 7million. Floyd also wanted 20 million for De La Hoya, and Arum repeatedly told him that the money not only wasn't there, but he had no interest in making that fight. So Floyd went off and did his own thing. Floyd Mayweather bought out his contract instead of fighting Margarito and being denied having the De La Hoya fight, ...and being stuck with lower guarantees because he would make more money being on his own. The proof: vs. Hatton -- Floyd's purse was 11 million vs. Cotto (albeit later) -- Floyd's purse was 32Million vs. De La Hoya -- Floyd's purse was 25million So seems he got 28 million more than what he was begging Arum for. By the way, notice Cotto's name up there? More bullshlt. You making this real easy, son. Maybe you have no idea about when Mayweather actually retired, so you're pulling shlt out of your ass. Let me help you out little guy: Mayweather Retired? About Cotto: Cotto had accepted 2 fights at least by Jan. 18th, 2008. Here is the proof. Actually, Margarito wound up fighting Cintron on the same card as Cotto vs. Gomez. Seems that Mayweather was getting close to a rematch with De La Hoya for September, and Cotto had already accepted 2 fights. So yea. What about that ducking, son? You're making a damn fool of yourself. Wrong! 2007: Floyd beats De La Hoya 2 Months later: PWill beats Margarito (That's when he first becomes noteworthy) Floyd's next fight: Ricky Hatton 2 months later: PWill's next fight? Loss to Carlos Quintana So when the fvck was this fight to be made, huh? Or you can try to tell me he should have fought PWill instead of R.Hatton so I can laugh at you. It's clear which one was going to bring more money, being that Hatton has an entire country behind him and thus makes it an international event, plus there is a racial element which gets some people riled up. What else you got? Backed out? Last I checked, he sighed a contract for a 50/50 split and PACQUIAO backed out of a 50/50 split with Mayweahter because he needed 24 days in between PED testing and the fight, as opposed to 14 days. Do I need to send you links about this, or are you aware. You also might want to take Freddy Roaches' opinion of this, but you already know this, don't you? Yea you do. That's why you bring this one up so late and even said before when I mentioned him specifically that I'd have to discuss other boxers. you knew this one was complete BS, didn't you? LMAOOOOOO. You're saying he ducked Thurman, Spence, Crawford, and Garcia? LMAOOOOO. You really are butthurt, aren't you? I'm assuming he should have fought Spence in 2015 when Spence was fighting the likes of Van Herdeen. Keith Thurman when he was fighting the likes of Luis Collazo??? Crawford? Garcia? Give me a break. I don't even have to say anything about them. As for McGregor, he would be stupid not to take that fight. When you name me one boxer who wouldn't take that fight for that amount of money, I'll say you have a point. Deal? So yea, what were you saying? You need me to go over any of these in more detail, little guy? FACTS: DO YOU USE THEM? MY POST HAD PLENTY. WHERE ARE YOURS? It was Winky Wright who turned down the fight with Mayweather anyway. He had a career high pay day on the table and he walked away.

I'm responding to a specific point you made is that ok. You claim Hagler was faded when he fought Sugar, I disagreed. Ok fantastic. He was faded or atleast Leonard waited for him to show weaknesses before he chose to fight him.

I literally did respond to a specific point. As in, literally that is exactly what I did. In regards to Leonard and Hagler. In regards to Hagler having no wins over any prime HOFers, that was in response to you saying he fought ATG's. I was merely stating none were prime. Like I've said multiple times, I haven't mentioned Floyd in any of my posts once. The fact the OP is about Floyd is irrelevant because I was responding to a specific post. I'm responding to a specific point you made is that ok. You claim Hagler was faded when he fought Sugar, I disagreed.

The fact that its a Floyd thread is what makes it relevant. You didn't respond to a specific point. You was trying to use Hagler as a reference because you know Floyd has no prime atg wins on his resume and gets big time flack for it. Why else would you go to such length to point out that Duran and Hearns werent prime? I literally did respond to a specific point. As in, literally that is exactly what I did. In regards to Leonard and Hagler. In regards to Hagler having no wins over any prime HOFers, that was in response to you saying he fought ATG's. I was merely stating none were prime. Like I've said multiple times, I haven't mentioned Floyd in any of my posts once. The fact the OP is about Floyd is irrelevant because I was responding to a specific post.

Right but I responded to a specific point. Never mentioned Floyd. The fact it's a Floyd thread is irrelevant. And I'm not "getting off" I'm merely stating it as that's where the conversation went to, Hagler not beating any prime HOFers. The fact that its a Floyd thread is what makes it relevant. You didn't respond to a specific point. You was trying to use Hagler as a reference because you know Floyd has no prime atg wins on his resume and gets big time flack for it. Why else would you go to such length to point out that Duran and Hearns werent prime?

You can talk logic and truth to these clowns all day long but they will act like they are on the Mayweather payroll the way they defend him to the death. Fact is, Floyd's entire legacy is hinged upon that sacred "0". Without it, he fades into obscurity. Just another overhyped money machine who ducked the best in their prime and fought a long list of hype jobs and B-rate opposition. i agree...... sometimes i wonder if some of these guys actually read back their "facts" to themselves...

Nah, what you mean is it's 2017 and you're still going around telling lies because you are a pvssy who can't get over the fact that a man worked hard and beat your favorite boxer. It's fvcking ridiculous how you attempt to turn this around when it's clearly based on the fact that the dude made you into a butthurt hater. Floyd beat Hagler I didn't know that. That is my favorite boxer. So don't try to make this about everyone. I'm not here to convince everyone of anything. I'm just here to expose that you're a piece of shlt liar. Take a number and get in line. I can only address but so many disgruntled Floyd Boys a day. And that's why I'm here to call you on your bltcha$s-ness, and not only that, I'm willing to step up and go fact for fact with you about the bullshlt you speak. Damn, you willing to go through all of that just to save Floyd? So again, do you want to discuss whom he ducked, beginning with Pacquiao? Matter of fact, we can start with whomever you'd like. Who is it that you think he ducked by retiring? Gonna take a stand behind your word, or are you just going to tuck your tail and shuffle backwards? Let's hear your excuses about that tucked tail now, lil pup. You funny. I discuss this stuff ad nauseum with you Floyd Boys aka Captain Save-A-Floyd's on a daily basis. I'm just going to call it what it is: He backed out of a Winky Wright fight - duck He backed out of a Margarito fight for 8 million to fight Carlos Baldimir...Margarito even got in his grill and called him out - duck his "retirement" immediately after Hatton gave him a built in excuse to duck the winner of Cotto/Shane, which the winner Cotto stated he was ready for Floyd and anybody else - You can make a case for Paul Williams being a beltholder as well during this "retirement" period... backed out of a pac fight due to fear of pac juicing, but never could prove anything - duck bogus retired again now that you have the current crop of ww's rising like thurman, who was repeatedly calling him out for years while simultaneously, mandatory to his wbc belt for years (definitely a duck), spence, crawford, garcia, only to come out of another bogus retirement to fight mma star conor mcgregor, who never boxed professionally in his life.... have fun.... You can talk logic and truth to these clowns all day long but they will act like they are on the Mayweather payroll the way they defend him to the death. Fact is, Floyd's entire legacy is hinged upon that sacred "0". Without it, he fades into obscurity. Just another overhyped money machine who ducked the best in their prime and fought a long list of hype jobs and B-rate opposition.

Almost all the other greats have losses so it’s really not a big deal. It’s a lot more impressive that he managed to dominate everyone he fought in almost 30 title fights. That’s something that will probably never be equalled.

Nah, what you mean is it's 2017 and you're still going around telling lies because you are a pvssy who can't get over the fact that a man worked hard and beat your favorite boxer. It's fvcking ridiculous how you attempt to turn this around when it's clearly based on the fact that the dude made you into a butthurt hater. Floyd beat Hagler I didn't know that. That is my favorite boxer. So don't try to make this about everyone. I'm not here to convince everyone of anything. I'm just here to expose that you're a piece of shlt liar. Take a number and get in line. I can only address but so many disgruntled Floyd Boys a day. And that's why I'm here to call you on your bltcha$s-ness, and not only that, I'm willing to step up and go fact for fact with you about the bullshlt you speak. Damn, you willing to go through all of that just to save Floyd? So again, do you want to discuss whom he ducked, beginning with Pacquiao? Matter of fact, we can start with whomever you'd like. Who is it that you think he ducked by retiring? Gonna take a stand behind your word, or are you just going to tuck your tail and shuffle backwards? Let's hear your excuses about that tucked tail now, lil pup. You funny. I discuss this stuff ad nauseum with you Floyd Boys aka Captain Save-A-Floyd's on a daily basis. I'm just going to call it what it is: He backed out of a Winky Wright fight - duck He backed out of a Margarito fight for 8 million to fight Carlos Baldimir...Margarito even got in his grill and called him out - duck his "retirement" immediately after Hatton gave him a built in excuse to duck the winner of Cotto/Shane, which the winner Cotto stated he was ready for Floyd and anybody else - You can make a case for Paul Williams being a beltholder as well during this "retirement" period... backed out of a pac fight due to fear of pac juicing, but never could prove anything - duck bogus retired again now that you have the current crop of ww's rising like thurman, who was repeatedly calling him out for years while simultaneously, mandatory to his wbc belt for years (definitely a duck), spence, crawford, garcia, only to come out of another bogus retirement to fight mma star conor mcgregor, who never boxed professionally in his life.... have fun....

Yeah but like I said its a Floyd thread so thats why I brought him up. That ain't sink in yet I see. So why you getting off so hard on Hagler not having any prime ATG's or HOF's on his resume in a Floyd thread. Right but I responded to a specific point. Never mentioned Floyd. The fact it's a Floyd thread is irrelevant. And I'm not "getting off" I'm merely stating it as that's where the conversation went to, Hagler not beating any prime HOFers.

Ok but you replied to me and I didn't mention Floyd so I'm not sure why you bring him up. Ok that's fantastic and you are entitled to your opinion but the fact still remains Hagler beat no prime ATG's or HOFers. Yeah but like I said its a Floyd thread so thats why I brought him up. That ain't sink in yet I see. So why you getting off so hard on Hagler not having any prime ATG's or HOF's on his resume in a Floyd thread.

i bring up Floyd because this is a Floyd thread, or are you just lost on that. I think you are. I didn't suggest who was prime pertaining to Hagler, but I tell you this, I'd rather on my resume have the versions of Hearns, Duran, Sugar, and Mugabi on my resume than Floyd had with Cotto, Pac, and Shane any day. Ok but you replied to me and I didn't mention Floyd so I'm not sure why you bring him up. Ok that's fantastic and you are entitled to your opinion but the fact still remains Hagler beat no prime ATG's or HOFers.

Yea, that's what I thought, bltch. This isn't about saving anyone. This is about facts. Something that your dumb ass tries to sway because you are a butthurt f@g. Stop being a little pvssy and speak the truth. Who is it that you believe he ducked. Saying someone ducked while he was retired is fvcking stupid. Especially when there is a post here about his "hit-list," and he fought everyone on it. You were probably one of the little pvssies saying he wouldn't fight anyone on the list. Let's discuss who you believe he ducked, starting with Pacquiao since this one is brought up the most. You down??? Think I proved my point. That being, you're a little ball-less bltch. Thanks. Facts to a Floyd Boy, read like a who's who of excuses. The only fact here is, Floyd bigtime lost legacy points with that bogus retirement after Hatton, that nobody believed, and stalling fights out trying to make big $ events that in actuality were nothing more than glorified sparring sessions. Guys like you post your "facts" day and night thinking it vilifies him, but the jury is already out with his critics kid. Its 2017 and you still making Floyd isn't guilty of ducking the ww division threads. That should speak for itself.

Neither were prime versions. That's a fact. Hagler didn't beat any ATG's in their prime or even HOF'ers in their prime for that matter. Are you actually trying to suggest that Roberto Duran was in his prime when he fought Hagler? :lol1: You're a comedian. I don't care what the reason is or who's fault it was the fact is neither were prime versions. Bringing up Floyd for no reason once again :lol1: I didn't mention Floyd in my post. i bring up Floyd because this is a Floyd thread, or are you just lost on that. I think you are. I didn't suggest who was prime pertaining to Hagler, but I tell you this, I'd rather on my resume have the versions of Hearns, Duran, Sugar, and Mugabi on my resume than Floyd had with Cotto, Pac, and Shane any day.

The only draw is going to be me drawing a dick on your tombstone if you don't learn something about Boxing before you come to MY messageboards again. somebody mad....