Have people completely forgotten about weight and muscle training or are we going to suspect everyone with a well stacked physique of juicing?
AJ has been tested regularly http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-4341432/Anthony-Joshua-drug-tested-Wladimir-Klitschko-bout.html
At one point he had 3 tests in 4 weeks! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-4341432/Anthony-Joshua-drug-tested-Wladimir-Klitschko-bout.html
I personally believe practically every athlete at the top level, not just boxers are juicing or at the very least, are chemically / artificially enhanced in someway or another.
1. UKAD all year round. VADA during fight camps (although I think VADA has been since the Martin fight).
2. I have already posted an article on this, where Joshua goes into depth about his testing protocol.
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Let me rephrase Question #2.
Since what year has he been doing year around testing?
I didn't see that date in your article quote. Thanks!
So I did some minor research and it appears he started testing in 2016. He's already made his gains if you look at his weights on Boxrec.
Yes because we all know that passing tests means you are clean.
If you are cycling on and off - but partake in random testing year round, you will get caught, its a matter of time.
Some of you guys should read:
"Cycle of Lies: The Fall of Lance Armstrong"
I highly recommend it, and it gives you great insight into PED's, how you get away with it, and how you get caught. This is a guy - who was so powerful that even when positive tests came up people went out of their way to protect him, people were scared for their life if they came out against him, clean cyclist were bullied out of the sport by Armstrong. He still got caught!
Whilst boxing is probably 10 years behind cycling in terms of PED awareness and how to catch these guys, the gap is closing, fast. As I said in the beginning, if you are partaking in testing 24/7 365 even if you only get tested a handful of times, there is no way of knowing when and thus if you are using PED's, the odds are that your luck will run out eventually.
Personally I think Joshua is clean - because of the testing he does, but if he is using, he will more than likely get caught, or you will hear about a failed test eventually.
The ones hating on Joshua are Wilder nut huggers. In 10 years from now or so, they're going to be all up on Joshua's nuts. It happened with Lennox Lewis.
Since you seem to know a lot about this situation. I naturally have a few questions.
1. What organization is testing AJ?
2. Since when (dates please) is he getting year around testing?
Thanks!
1. UKAD all year round. VADA during fight camps (although I think VADA has been since the Martin fight).
2. I have already posted an article on this, where Joshua goes into depth about his testing protocol. Quotes:
“One was at 6am and one was at 10pm. They come at 8pm but you have to wait two hours for them to take your blood, as I’d just finished training so the blood needed to settle in the body. They actually came to Nando’s with us,” Joshua said.
“We did it at quarter past 10. Normally they don’t let you eat or anything, but I explained that I needed to eat as I’d just trained, so they came to Nando’s.
“The testers follow you everywhere when they turn up, even when you . They jump in the car with me to Nando’s, I can’t drive on my own. It’s hard, to manage your whereabouts. It’s quite annoying.”
On my phone I’ve got a reminder, it’s called Whereabouts, it’s run by UK Anti Doping, regulated by the British Boxing Board of Control, there’s a select number of athletes on it,” he said."
"Every three months you have to let them know in advance where you’re going to be sleeping, where you’re going to be training and what you’re going to be doing. You have a one hour slot each night or each morning for where you’re going to be so they can randomly turn up. So let’s say from 6 ‘til 7, if they turn up at 6.59 but if I’ve gone out, I’ve missed it. You’re allowed to change the schedule but you have to let them know. If I forget or I’m running late it’s on me and I think if you get two strikes or three strikes you get banned.
“It’s another job in itself, keeping on top of that.”
“If there’s anything that is giving you a genuine advantage over your opponent , 100 per cent you should be banned for life. 100 per cent.”
In the UK, the most recent high-profile failed test came from super-bantamweight Kid Galahad, whose ban was cut short. Former Joshua victim Dillian Whyte also served a lengthy suspension earlier in his career for testing positive. All those who have failed tests maintain they did not ingest the banned substances intentionally – though UKAD, whose rules are signed off by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), do not take that into account.
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So your friend is 250lbs shredded?
I dont even recall a heavyweight in the last 50 years whos as muscular as AJ.
Shannon Briggs? Guy just got popped for steroids
no, you didn't really say that was a factor at first...im sure hes around 170-180 5'8
Yes it is easy to beat when you know you are going to be tested. But as someone mentioned already AJ is tested 24/7 365. When you are tested like that it is impossible to stay undetected for a long period of time without pure luck.
Even though he knew testing was coming - Lance Armstrong still got caught twice and once they had to back date an excuse about saddle sores, and another time internal politics.
But this stuff does not fly anymore - athletes aren't getting the benefit of the doubt anymore. Ask Tyson Fury. Here is an article of AJ getting tested Thursday morning the week after Klitschko. Plus if you follow his social media, he has put on there a few times when he has been tested, outside camp.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-4494966/Anthony-Joshua-undergoes-early-morning-drugs-test.html
Since you seem to know a lot about this situation. I naturally have a few questions.
1. What organization is testing AJ?
2. Since when (dates please) is he getting year around testing?
Thanks!
Ken Norton had a near perfect, muscular physique. No one was accusing his of steroid use. Do a google images search of Primo Carnera...massive and muscled, no steroids. Check out photos of Dick Tiger, Hurricane Carter, Vito Antuofermo...all made of chiseled muscle in the pre-steroid era.
While PED use is suspect in boxing today, big muscles aren't the only thing to suggest a fighter is using. I look at Berchelt and I have to wonder when he will be put on the VADA regiment. I'm not seeing that with Joshua despite his size.
Dillian Whyte started this myth before their fight. Yeah he put on 20 lbs but Surely it's not pure muscle, it must be a mixture of fat too. Just because he still has a ripped physique don't mean all of it was muscle.
LOL, It is possible. very possible, in under 3 years
calm down ladies
Squareface: it may not be "pure", 100%, unadulterated, flawless muscle that AJ has packed on... but it near-as-damn might as well be. you know what i'm saying. to call it a myth is to reveal your closed-mindedness; it may be a myth, it may not be... i'm a little suspicious, that's all. if you're not, good for you
MPX523538733) it's not impossible = it is possible. thank you for reiterating my point. just think it's notably unusual that an already-high performing athlete can make further gains like that
PEDs are all over sports and probably have been for a long time, I've accepted that even though it sucks, but a ripped physique doesn't mean much. James Toney & Danny Batchedler both looked fat when they popped dirty. Toney was pretty flabby too when he turned up dirty for John Ruiz, but passed the drug testing when he fought Rydell Booker and looked more ripped than ever. Frans Botha had that pear shape body when he got busted.
Some of you really need to understand how difficult it is to build muscle mass when you've been a professional athlete and/or lifting for a while, and/or are old.
I'm pretty sure AJ gained like 20 pounds of muscle in less than a year. It's not like he had just started lifting, either. He had already been lifting for some time prior to that. You don't build that much muscle mass that quickly unless you're on a bulk and new to lifting, unless you are roofing up. It's called newbie gains. The average goal is to aim for 1 lb a muscle a month for anyone that's lifted for a while, and of course, it gets more difficult the more you reach your potential and/or the older you get and testosterone production decreases.
This is why I recognize Pacquiao, Marquez, Mayweather jr., Klitschko, etc... they all use performance enhancing drugs, maybe not always but certainly during some portion of their career.
Look at Floyd, 1 year prior to McGregor fight vs his pics showing off a month prior. He made incredible gains in a short amount of time. Notice the upper body (shoulders, traps) in particular. If you didn't realize it, your body has more androgen receptors in the upper reguons, hence, why many roid users have such developed parts in that area. This isn't an attack on him, but rather an attempt to teach some of you guys something about roid usage other than back acne, gyno, and GH gut.
this is just simply not true...buddy of mine works out for an hour a day 4-5 days a week and smokes ciggerettes/drinks with no steriods/peds ...and he is absolutely RIPPED..and no 300 pound deadlifts or anything crazy of that nature
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So your friend is 250lbs shredded?
I dont even recall a heavyweight in the last 50 years whos as muscular as AJ.
Shannon Briggs? Guy just got popped for steroids
Most people on here are going to be 100% positive Joshua isn't juicing. They will act like they have personally been watching everything Joshua does behind closed doors, and personally seen that he has never taken PEDS.
The funniest is when people say I have a friend who's huge, does this and that, and ISN'T juiced. My brother used to juice, and would tell EVERYONE till he was blue in the face that he didn't do steroids. Guess what, people believed him, and probably went around sayin man I know this HUGE guy who doesen't take steroids.
People are gullible as fvck. Tests don't give you a definitive answer. At the end of the day, nobody here really knows whether or not Joshua is juicing. If I was a betting man, I'd say he's juicing. I wouldn't bet on Joshua actually getting caught though. And sure, I could be wrong, but anyone who says with 100% certainty that Joshua is clean, is IMO, extremely naive.
THIS EXACTLY!! To the T. The main problem is people are to gullible and naive. To think doctors and drug testing officials can't be bought, brided, blackmailed, or paid off is insane. I don't understand how it is so easy to believe a judge or a ref can be on the payroll, but totally out of the question a fighter can't pay a guy a grand or 2 to turn his head while he pours his girlfriends piss in a cup
I don't think Joshua is as lean as he appears, in a lot of his press photos yes, due to lighting and probably oils etc, he appears ripped, but he holds quite a bit of body fat on fight night. And yes when I said it's possible, it won't be for everyone, but with an insane work ethic, and the right nutrition and training program gaining 20lbs of lean mass is not out of the question for someone who is already as big as Joshua already was.
Nah bro I'm agreeing with you. I don't think it's as hard as people are trying to make it. And like you said Joshua is a big dude as it is
Hahaa it's possible within a year. People go to prison for a year or 2 and come out HUGE. And they have limited resources. Imagine what a millionaire with the best nutritionist, trainers, and knowledge can do. Mix in the luck of good genetics and it's easier than one might think
I don't think Joshua is as lean as he appears, in a lot of his press photos yes, due to lighting and probably oils etc, he appears ripped, but he holds quite a bit of body fat on fight night. And yes when I said it's possible, it won't be for everyone, but with an insane work ethic, and the right nutrition and training program gaining 20lbs of lean mass is not out of the question for someone who is already as big as Joshua already was.
I work out. I'm not saying it because he has muscles. Anyone who has completed P90X knows what 90 days of working out can do to your physique. And I stated the same comment when Marquez muscles' came into play before the PAC 4 fight. Those people saying because of that reason are ignorant (and not in the smart ass disrespectful way). In all reality I can't say he is or isn't. But I would put money on every fighter using before I said they were clean. It's just the nature of the sport at this stage. Especially when you know the next man is.
If he is he's on some top level type crap cause he gets tested year round in the UK and he does Vada if i'm not mistaken.