GGG (MIGHT) not be that great, but Canelo Alvarez is inferior vs similar sized opp

They are the same size.. that is the only reason i mentioned them because the thread title is bogus

but they are similar size or bigger...right? They are the same size..

chavez is certainly. a think canelo comes in bigger than the other two. larry

larry you know as a boxing man jr has made a lot of money off his dads name and the other two are tough but club fighters but they are similar size or bigger...right?

Chavez Jr?? Kirkland?? Angulo??? larry you know as a boxing man jr has made a lot of money off his dads name and the other two are tough but club fighters

the thread title is actually bullshht GGG (MIGHT) not be that great, but Canelo Alvarez is inferior vs similar sized opp 1) in boxing, size matters... Canelo is smaller than Golovkin 2) his " smaller opposition "... were world-class 3) to state that Golovkin dominated guys in his division, and yet Canelo did not..... is not correct at all..... Golovkin cleaned out the scrubs in his division, just like Canelo did with Liam Smith/Kirkland/Khan/Angulo..... but Golovkin could not dominate Jacobs/Canelo, in fact it is debateable whether he actually won those fights..... just like Canelo/Lara the title is simply choosing to see what you want to see but the big picture tells a different story

the bottom line is so obvious Golovkin..... terrific fighter, no question Canelo..... terrific fighter, no question little separated them when they fought, a rematch is obviously required Canelo is continuing his rise within the boxing world..... is the current PPV king..... is younger..... is more skilled..... and obviously has a higher ceiling than Golovkin, because he actually will fight anyone..... unlike the Kazakhy, who refused to drop a single pound for Cotto/Canelo, and refused to lift a finger to make better fights with the likes of Ward/Lara etc Golovkin is running down the clock, and taking what he can..... you will not see him fight Charlo or rematch Jacobs..... and I don't really blame him, he doesn't need those fights at this point after breaking bread with Canelo 2x..... ..... BUT, lets keep it real..... that monster tag, is gone

What I am stating is that during the times that they could've fought, both Canelo Alvarez and Golovkin were practically the same size. Canelo Alvarez isn't the only one who had to grow either. This also applies to Golovkin. None of that changes the fact that for years that they could've fought each other, both were practically the same size. Instead, Canelo Alvarez was too busy fighting at 154 pounds but boxers like Curtis Stevens and David Lemeiux, who are also roughly the same size as Canelo Alvarez had the guts to face a younger Golovkin at 160 pounds. Again, you are still yet to explain the relevance of Barrera and Pacquiao to the size comparison between Canelo Alvarez and Gennady Golovkin. Please do so if you may! Also, I don't need to post a single picture to infer anything or prove a point. I've seen them both fight in the ring and they both looked practically the same size. Furthermore, I've seen Canelo Alvarez against Miguel Cotto and Amir Khan. I've also seen Gennady Golovkin against Kell Brook, David Lemieux and Curtis Stevens. Nothing suggests to me that there was much, if any size difference between Golovkin and Canelo Alvarez against those respective opponents of theirs. ok, for some reason, I reason I read Cotto Alvarez and Golovkin were all the same size apologies so, forget Cotto..... despite the fact that Golovkin did the same thing to him..... actually don't forget Cotto, because Golovkin did the exact same thing to him..... which is no coincidence, their MO is clear FACT: no matter how you spin it, no matter what casual-fan fcukery you pull..... most likely rehydration weight wank wank..... up until 6th May 2017, Canelo was a JMW, and the reigning WBO JMW champion there is no situation where it is accurate for you to insinuate that those guys are the same size apart from the fact that Canelo weighed in at 154 in Sep 2016, and apart from the fact that he made his first excursion above 155 with Jnr..... Golovkin was clearly bigger than him when they fought that rubbish is nonsense and you end up with the same problem immediately after refusing to drop a single pound for Cotto/Canelo, Golovkin stated that he can make 154 easy, but that nobody will fight him as I said, you cannot make that shht up

What I am stating is that during the times that they could've fought, both Canelo Alvarez and Golovkin were practically the same size. Canelo Alvarez isn't the only one who had to grow either. This also applies to Golovkin. None of that changes the fact that for years that they could've fought each other, both were practically the same size. Instead, Canelo Alvarez was too busy fighting at 154 pounds but boxers like Curtis Stevens and David Lemeiux, who are also roughly the same size as Canelo Alvarez had the guts to face a younger Golovkin at 160 pounds. Again, you are still yet to explain the relevance of Barrera and Pacquiao to the size comparison between Canelo Alvarez and Gennady Golovkin. Please do so if you may! Also, I don't need to post a single picture to infer anything or prove a point. I've seen them both fight in the ring and they both looked practically the same size. Furthermore, I've seen Canelo Alvarez against Miguel Cotto and Amir Khan. I've also seen Gennady Golovkin against Kell Brook, David Lemieux and Curtis Stevens. Nothing suggests to me that there was much, if any size difference between Golovkin and Canelo Alvarez against those respective opponents of theirs. that is absolute rubbish you need to look deep inside yourself and figure out why you needed to make that comment Cotto, weighs 153..... period with two consecutive fights, despite the ceiling being 157 and 155 respectively, Cotto weighed 153 he came in at his best fighting weight no way, no how, has your statement ever been true they are an entire division apart why did you need to say that ? Mr "154-168" refused to drop a single pound for little old faded 153lb Cotto..... and he refused to drop a single pound for Canelo as well and yet, following that..... Golovkin stated that he can make 154 no problem, but asked who will fight him?:lol1: you can't make that shht up lol

You're saying this smaller size Alvarez compared to Golovkin has been the same size since 2010 going to 154? this guy who's 27 had to grow (hence Barrera and Pac) to this weight :dance: http://i64.tinypic.com/afilab.jpg keep it coming because as this convo progresses we'll start posting physiques of GGG when he started at 160 and see if his mass is relatively the same. We can even do 2013 when GGG said hed like to fight Bhop at the full 175 What I am stating is that during the times that they could've fought, both Canelo Alvarez and Golovkin were practically the same size. Canelo Alvarez isn't the only one who had to grow either. This also applies to Golovkin. None of that changes the fact that for years that they could've fought each other, both were practically the same size. Instead, Canelo Alvarez was too busy fighting at 154 pounds but boxers like Curtis Stevens and David Lemeiux, who are also roughly the same size as Canelo Alvarez had the guts to face a younger Golovkin at 160 pounds. Again, you are still yet to explain the relevance of Barrera and Pacquiao to the size comparison between Canelo Alvarez and Gennady Golovkin. Please do so if you may! Also, I don't need to post a single picture to infer anything or prove a point. I've seen them both fight in the ring and they both looked practically the same size. Furthermore, I've seen Canelo Alvarez against Miguel Cotto and Amir Khan. I've also seen Gennady Golovkin against Kell Brook, David Lemieux and Curtis Stevens. Nothing suggests to me that there was much, if any size difference between Golovkin and Canelo Alvarez against those respective opponents of theirs.

You're saying this smaller size Alvarez compared to Golovkin has been the same size since 2010 going to 154? this guy who's 27 had to grow (hence Barrera and Pac) to this weight :dance: http://i64.tinypic.com/afilab.jpg keep it coming because as this convo progresses we'll start posting physiques of GGG when he started at 160 and see if his mass is relatively the same. We can even do 2013 when GGG said hed like to fight Bhop at the full 175 stop bothering with this idiot...youve already trashed him....hes never going to admit wrong..or to being a complete moron......dont waste your time...

because Pacquiao, Barrera, and Alvarez are multi-division fighters unlike Golovkin... and like I said, unlike Golovkin, they all went pro at the age of 15... :dance: you keep getting punked! Okay, so what exactly is your point? You still haven't explained what the relevance of Pacquiao and Barrera is, to the topic of Golovkin and Canelo Alvarez's size comparison. Again, perhaps define 'punked' and explain how I am getting 'punked'? Or perhaps, you're exposing your own lack of logical capacity?

not gonna read all that again, just the first paragraph is more than enough to puınk it.. so what was Pacquiao's ''natural weight'' or Barrera's ''natural weight'' since all these boxers started at 15? yeah think about that and keep getting punked! ez work. :dance::dance: Again, feel free to do whatever you want. I could care less. Provided, what you do doesn't have an effect on me. Again, perhaps define 'punk' and explain how anyone has been 'punked'? By not doing so, you are perhaps exposing yourself as one? Also, what have Barrera and Pacquiao got to do with Golovkin and Canelo Alvarez's size comparison? Do you have a mental incapability to stick to the topic? As in, do you have some kind of a mental disorder?

fair call I just don't think your original premise was accurate he just fought at middleweight and looked very effective, at times, against a bigger opponent who was a supposed killer and yep, that is how Golovkin was painted it is fair to say that those stories were exaggerated, but Golovkin is still a terrific fighter and Canelo made him look ordinary at times he is definitely the more-skilled of the two I think your point is more about levels EVERYONE is less effective against world-class opposition, the "smaller guys" that you are referring to were world-class fighters..... that makes a big diff that is why Golovkin was far less effective in his last two outings Which original premise of mine wasn't accurate? Canelo Alvarez and Gennady Golovkin were practically the same size. Why hasn't Canelo Alvarez fought at middleweight earlier? Why should I be impressed that it took Canelo that long to finally face an opponent his own size? I don't buy the idea that Canelo Alvarez was smaller in size and Gennady Golovkin was bigger. As far as Golovkin being a 'killer', tell me when has Golovkin truly 'killed' another person? This 'supposed' nonsense is truly irrelevant and meaningless. That's like somebody claiming that the sky is 'supposedly' blue. Why should Canelo Alvarez be given more credit for surviving 12 rounds against a 'supposed' killer (when no evidence have been provided that I'm yet to encounter that he has truly killed another person), when Golovkin also survived 12 rounds against Canelo Alvarez? It works both ways! Canelo Alvarez doesn't deserve any extra credit from me for doing what he did against a 'supposed killer'. Both are ordinary human beings with normal bodily functions and components. As such, I don't hold one boxer to a higher standard than another. As far as Canelo making Golovkin look ordinary, I didn't see anything that Canelo did which he used to make Golovkin more ordinary than vice versa. Both made each other look equally ordinary to me. As far as Canelo being the more skilled fighter, I've not seen any evidence that such is the case. Both looked similarly skilled (or similarly lacking in skill). In other words, the draw was the correct decision and was evident of this fact. World class opposition that are 'smaller' shouldn't be much difficult for a truly skilled. Or are you honestly telling me that Mike Tyson would have as much difficulties against smaller sized opponents like Andre Ward, Sergey Kovalev and etc? If Canelo Alvarez looked less effective against a world class opponent his own size, then I could understand. However, the fact that he looks that bad against much smaller opposition proves how overrated he is. Golovkin has never struggled against much smaller sized opponents as Canelo has. Golovkin destroyed brook. Did Canelo Alvarez did the same to a much worse version of Miguel Cotto? Absolutely not!

Again, Alvarez is an experienced 4 Division fighter. Alvarez just recently fought the #1 Middleweight in his 4th weight class attempt. Who did GGG ever face at #1 above 160? It’s ok how’ve you want to spin it, Alvarez already has 1st Ballot HOF dubs over GGG. Resumes mean everything. Not theories downplaying fighters because your boy couldn’t KO the smaller Nelo.:dance: GGG’s worst performance against a 4 Division fighter yet that 4 Division fighter held his own against the #1 Middleweight... And everybody knows this!!!:dance: So what if Alvarez is an experienced 4 division fighter? Again, he is still yet to compete in a weight division above his own, natural weight division. As for Alvarez facing the number 1 middleweight in his 4th weight attempt, why hasn't he done that earlier? Who has GGG ever face at #1 above 160? Nobody, but neither has Canelo Alvarez. So what's your point? Oh, but he has fought in 4 lighter weight divisions. So what? Do you want Golovkin to also fight at light middleweight, welterweight and etc.? Like How Canelo Alvarez did? Or will you claim: oh, but Golovkin is only picking on smaller opponents (like Kell Brook) but it's meant to be a credible victory for Canelo Alvarez himself to beat lighter opponents like Miguel Cotto? Resumes mean everything? Yes, except Alvarez's resume (against top level opponents his own size) is literally lacking. Beating up on good quality opposition that are much smaller in size than you, doesn't mean as much comparatively speaking. We will see how good Canelo Alvarez's resume is against top level opponents his own size, like Golovkin, Daniel Jacobs and etc. As for GGG being my 'boy', so despite me already claiming multiple times that I am not a fan of him, you're still persisting with claiming that he is my boy? Perhaps you have homosexual tendencies towards Golovkin? Well then that's your issue / tendency, if that's the case! That was Canelo's worst performance against an opponent his own size (Gennady Golovkin). Spouting 4 divisions DOE means little to nothing for me. Golovkin was his own size and that's all that matters in the end and ultimately, Golovkin struggled against Canelo Alvarez, just as much as Canelo Alvarez struggled against Gennady Golovkin. As for GGG being a bum or a *****, what does that make Canelo Alvarez, that he couldn't beat this bum / ***** more decisively?

You can't call GGG a bum and call Canelo great, it just doesn't work that way. It goes both ways by the way!

Actually Chavez Jr. at 164 his body looked sharp under Beristains regimen. In all other fights he has looked overweight for his Division. Look at the Lee bout or against Martinez, he looked bigger in previous fights than against his 164 Bout. That’s because Jr. finally lost proper body fat where as before he just regaining the water weight. Chavez Jr. was always a weight bully at 160. If a fighter is been at a higher weight class for an extended period of time it is very hard to drop weight and maintain stamina and punch resistance. There are always exceptions but generally that's the situation.

The concept of lineage is the man who beat the mean with respect to Champions, hence strictly lineage in general, not just 160. Chavez was not “drained,” he was in the best shape of his life under Beristain. His inactivity cost him everything as well as his discipline. Alvarez called out Chavez Jr. since 2009 at a catch which Junior never wanted and was already on the higher platform.! Chavez Jr. is nowhere near the level of Alvarez. Alvarez would beat Cotto or Martinez at any SWW or Middleweight Bout, same way Margarito beat Martinez at 147. ANd Margarito would get KO’d by any version of Angulo. I know what the lineal champion is. In some cases it doesn't mean much..

Who stated Canelo Alvarez was a 'bum'? It clearly wasn't me! I don't think Golovkin is great. Yet, neither is Canelo Alvarez. What does that make Canelo Alvarez, the fact that he couldn't do a better job at beating Golovkin more convincingly, a boxer that isn't great? It makes him just as bad! Just so you know, I'm not a fan of either guy to begin with in the first place. fair call I just don't think your original premise was accurate Against opponents his own size, Canelo Alvarez can't seem to handle them. He gets exposed and isn't very effective. Canelo Alvarez needs opponents to be at least 10 pounds lighter than himself to look and appear sufficiently good..... he just fought at middleweight and looked very effective, at times, against a bigger opponent who was a supposed killer and yep, that is how Golovkin was painted it is fair to say that those stories were exaggerated, but Golovkin is still a terrific fighter and Canelo made him look ordinary at times he is definitely the more-skilled of the two I think your point is more about levels EVERYONE is less effective against world-class opposition, the "smaller guys" that you are referring to were world-class fighters..... that makes a big diff that is why Golovkin was far less effective in his last two outings

The concept of lineage is the man who beat the mean with respect to Champions, hence strictly lineage in general, not just 160. Chavez was not “drained,” he was in the best shape of his life under Beristain. His inactivity cost him everything as well as his discipline. Alvarez called out Chavez Jr. since 2009 at a catch which Junior never wanted and was already on the higher platform.! Chavez Jr. is nowhere near the level of Alvarez. Alvarez would beat Cotto or Martinez at any SWW or Middleweight Bout, same way Margarito beat Martinez at 147. ANd Margarito would get KO’d by any version of Angulo. Didn't say Chavez was as good as Canelo. But he was weight drained. It was obvious the way he didn't perform. It has nothing to do with who e was fighting he just didn't have any life.