Why aren't there that many White American Boxer?

It is a bit of a puzzle - I mean I can buy into the genetics argument a bit but at the end of the day boxing is foremost a technical sport... with the right training and dedication I'm struggling to see why 200 mil white Americans can't field any world class boxers when 40 mil Ukrainians can get the Klitschkos, Loma and Usyk and 65 mil Brits have got 4 current white world champs(even if they are all frankly not very good)... Hell even a good brawler can have some success but the best the paler US citizens seem to be able to manage is a construction worker. Maybe dedication is more of the issue here like you say - and perseverance... which then begs the question why these guys are just less willing to grind out the hours and go the extra mile than some of their European counterparts. Oh yeah. And cheers for the civil reply, man. From what I've read of your posts you seem to have considerably more personal experience of the sport than most on here and I wasn't wanting to get in a pissing contest, just to get your take on some sh1t. One of the big things the Eastern Block has that our Boxing forefathers had was hunger. Life wasn't as easy back in the day as it currently is for America. Blacks always got it tougher so they excel, whiteboys got it super easy now. These teen whiteboys ain't got no job, I was working as a child. You had to if you wanted spending money. Today's fighters for the most-part are sub-par compared to prior years and that's exactly why Hopkins did so good for so long. Pascal and those cats blow, I mean --- Hopkins was good but not the best of his generation. Definite 3rd stringer. Ok he had MW defenses, but that was a bad time for MW's. After he lost to Jones he changed his style big time, stayed in perfect shape, and by the time he got older and the new guard came in he was finally first fiddle. Life isn't that easy for the Eastern Block so they're kind of getting that missing ingredient that West doesn't have as much of anymore. They're less skilled, but really dedicated and got a ton of guts. Life is too easy for whiteboys in the US. They ain't cut from the same cloth fighters were cut from 30 years ago. The Brits got champs because the home-cook over there. A lot of their fighters just fight in the UK and rarely get over the pond. It's a business and they know how to make a lot of cash. If you get the chance, look at the net worth of some of the past UK champs. Filthy rich. The trolls can be tollsome so I put some bite in my bark. If I get a civil tone, I'll keep it going.

They don't need to because their parents can have a business or get a regular job.

This is a tame thread while at the same time being interesting and non-aggressive and really an ideal thread in many ways. Very solid comments all the way around. This thread gets a green K! was thinking the same ,veeeeery surprising honestly considering how some threads end up on here

Whites have much higher intellects in general than blacks and mexicans, so they tend to gravitate towards other types of jobs where their brains and skills will come more in handy.

There are white guys in every gym. No rhythm, poor timing, bad chins, lack dedication, crap power, often go to brawling style, lack elite punching skills. Quick story, a white kid from my area --- Amateur pedigree from a very well known fight family and popular gym. Looked great as an early pro and went on to fight an ATG champion. Naturally he lost. Ended up having a shítty pro career because he lacked dedication. His problem was his weight. He got into a weight class that was too big for him because he didn't want to do the work and stay at a lower weight that was a natural weight for his body. He could have had a promising career. if I said his name you would know it. Remember Jason Litzau? Bad chin ruined his career. Mickey Ward? He was a bum with a great chin. Lacked basic skills. If he didn't fight Gatti who was shot to shít, nobody would know who Mickey Ward was. A good friend of mine that turned pro --- white dude, elite punching skill. Bad chin and lacked dedication. It is a bit of a puzzle - I mean I can buy into the genetics argument a bit but at the end of the day boxing is foremost a technical sport... with the right training and dedication I'm struggling to see why 200 mil white Americans can't field any world class boxers when 40 mil Ukrainians can get the Klitschkos, Loma and Usyk and 65 mil Brits have got 4 current white world champs(even if they are all frankly not very good)... Hell even a good brawler can have some success but the best the paler US citizens seem to be able to manage is a construction worker. Maybe dedication is more of the issue here like you say - and perseverance... which then begs the question why these guys are just less willing to grind out the hours and go the extra mile than some of their European counterparts. Oh yeah. And cheers for the civil reply, man. From what I've read of your posts you seem to have considerably more personal experience of the sport than most on here and I wasn't wanting to get in a pissing contest, just to get your take on some sh1t.

OK. So if all the great trainers are in the US and white European boxers are capable of being at least decent if they got a US / Mex trainer, the question remains why ain't white US dudes getting off their fat asses and into the boxing gyms? Is it because they ain't 'hungry' enough? Surely you got poor ass working class white kids in the US who don't mind a bit of a tear up like we do over here? Oh yeah, and you're an abrasive cunt BTW, just saying. There are white guys in every gym. No rhythm, poor timing, bad chins, lack dedication, crap power, often go to brawling style, lack elite punching skills. Quick story, a white kid from my area --- Amateur pedigree from a very well known fight family and popular gym. Looked great as an early pro and went on to fight an ATG champion. Naturally he lost. Ended up having a shítty pro career because he lacked dedication. His problem was his weight. He got into a weight class that was too big for him because he didn't want to do the work and stay at a lower weight that was a natural weight for his body. He could have had a promising career. if I said his name you would know it. Remember Jason Litzau? Bad chin ruined his career. Mickey Ward? He was a bum with a great chin. Lacked basic skills. If he didn't fight Gatti who was shot to shít, nobody would know who Mickey Ward was. A good friend of mine that turned pro --- white dude, elite punching skill. Bad chin and lacked dedication.

Yea, you finally got it. It only took me typing it 3x before it entered you think áss skull. Tszyu was trained by Americans and non-Russians. Yea Johnny Lewis (AU) worked with him for a bit, but he did most of his work with a cat from Colorado (Sean something). I met the dude at a pro show out there. He always wears Kangol hats. Jirov, blegh...really? He never beat anybody. Golovkin has a Mexican trainer. I don't want to ear no shít about Am's trainers. I almost fought a guy in the Am's who had 149 wins. He just turned 18 and hadn't fought any men yet, those 149 wins were JO (Junior Olympic) wins. Little kid fights don't count for jack. Dude lost his second year to a sub par Ams fighter in his own backyard. Am's fights are super fixed so you know it was a legit loss. I was there. Kovalev is a b-level fighter/quitter/crybaby. Adamek was pretty good. Michalczewski was a lot of hype. Ok, he beat Hill and a ruined Griffin. Who else did he fight? Nobody, thats who and lost to nobodies. Never once fought out of the most shady country in boxing: Germany. The country where the ref helps up knocked down fighters. OK. So if all the great trainers are in the US and white European boxers are capable of being at least decent if they got a US / Mex trainer, the question remains why ain't white US dudes getting off their fat asses and into the boxing gyms? Is it because they ain't 'hungry' enough? Surely you got poor ass working class white kids in the US who don't mind a bit of a tear up like we do over here? Oh yeah, and you're an abrasive cunt BTW, just saying.

Oh whatever man. So in summary your answer to the question 'why aren't there that many White American Boxer' is 'White boxers suck' and 'they are swimming in shark infested waters in the US' and 'Eastern Europeans suck too but they're so hungry they fight like dogs' and 'British boxers and trainers suck'. I got that about right? Great EE boxers of recent years? I'm not really seeing the point of the question, but I'll bite.There's hardly any 'greats' - the Klitschkos are probably closest, below that guys like Kostya, Jirov, Golovkin, Kovalev, Adamek, Michaelzewski.... Loma and Usyk may be more talented then any of em but have yet to prove consistancy. Why? Yea, you finally got it. It only took me typing it 3x before it entered you think áss skull. Tszyu was trained by Americans and non-Russians. Yea Johnny Lewis (AU) worked with him for a bit, but he did most of his work with a cat from Colorado (Sean something). I met the dude at a pro show out there. He always wears Kangol hats. Jirov, blegh...really? He never beat anybody. Golovkin has a Mexican trainer. I don't want to ear no shít about Am's trainers. I almost fought a guy in the Am's who had 149 wins. He just turned 18 and hadn't fought any men yet, those 149 wins were JO (Junior Olympic) wins. Little kid fights don't count for jack. Dude lost his second year to a sub par Ams fighter in his own backyard. Am's fights are super fixed so you know it was a legit loss. I was there. Kovalev is a b-level fighter/quitter/crybaby. Adamek was pretty good. Michalczewski was a lot of hype. Ok, he beat Hill and a ruined Griffin. Who else did he fight? Nobody, thats who and lost to nobodies. Never once fought out of the most shady country in boxing: Germany. The country where the ref helps up knocked down fighters.

I did ask and I got one name so far. Loma is decent, not about that hype though. Lets see him after 20 fights. Cat already lost to a fùcking gate-kepper (SALIDO). Not sure why your panites are in a twist. More importantly, if you ain't bringing anything to the table --- keep it moving and stop talking out of the side of your neck. Oh whatever man. So in summary your answer to the question 'why aren't there that many White American Boxer' is 'White boxers suck' and 'they are swimming in shark infested waters in the US' and 'Eastern Europeans suck too but they're so hungry they fight like dogs' and 'British boxers and trainers suck'. I got that about right? Great EE boxers of recent years? I'm not really seeing the point of the question, but I'll bite.There's hardly any 'greats' - the Klitschkos are probably closest, below that guys like Kostya, Jirov, Golovkin, Kovalev, Adamek, Michaelzewski.... Loma and Usyk may be more talented then any of em but have yet to prove consistancy. Why?

You asked what 'great' EE fighters there were, man. You go from saying white guys suck to asking that question, so... yeah. Fact is there's a lot of guys competing successfuly - even if they ain't elite p4pers (though there's a couple in most top 10s), yet no American whites are even close to that level. You are slowly coming up with possible reasons why, but TBH you conclusions are hardly so insightful it's worth trawling through all the pointless crap you write. I did ask and I got one name so far. Loma is decent, not about that hype though. Lets see him after 20 fights. Cat already lost to a fùcking gate-kepper (SALIDO). Not sure why your panites are in a twist. More importantly, if you ain't bringing anything to the table --- keep it moving and stop talking out of the side of your neck.

Who's talking about extreme polar opposites? Only you bruv. It's not opinions, its facts. I don't do opinions as they are devoid of fact. The UK home grows their fighters so the chances for success are higher. UK is right under Germany for corruption as well. A lot of dirty fighters running about and rigged cards. The US is the Mecca for boxing and our white fighters are swimming in a bigger body of water with more sharks than your small pond of goldfish. So yea, our white fighters suck to start but they're swimming with shark infested waters to boot. UK fighters stay at home and swim assisted in roll bar cages. It's very controlled there and you know it. You asked what 'great' EE fighters there were, man. You go from saying white guys suck to asking that question, so... yeah. Fact is there's a lot of guys competing successfuly - even if they ain't elite p4pers (though there's a couple in most top 10s), yet no American whites are even close to that level. You are slowly coming up with possible reasons why, but TBH you conclusions are hardly so insightful it's worth trawling through all the pointless crap you write.

So 'great' and 'suck' are the two options, huh? I ain't gonna get into this sh1t with ya man. You wanna go thinking that all Mexicans are JCC and all black dudes are SRL whilst all white dudes are Brian Sutherland that's your business. Whatever your opinions, though you can't really deny the relative lack of success of US whites compared to others - so, are you saying you put this all down to 'hunger'? I mean yeah, the Ex Soviets had it tough, but here in the UK I don't think we've any more absolute poverty than in the US - though we're getting there. What is about US whites in particular that makes their success so uncommon in boxing? Who's talking about extreme polar opposites? Only you bruv. It's not opinions, its facts. I don't do opinions as they are devoid of fact. The UK home grows their fighters so the chances for success are higher. UK is right under Germany for corruption as well. A lot of dirty fighters running about and rigged cards. The US is the Mecca for boxing and our white fighters are swimming in a bigger body of water with more sharks than your small pond of goldfish. So yea, our white fighters suck to start but they're swimming with shark infested waters to boot. UK fighters stay at home and swim assisted in roll bar cages. It's very controlled there and you know it.

Kelly Pavlik was world level. From the responses here. Distance to the gym sounds the most plausible. I live in a nice area really. There is a gym less than a mile away. Sure, it is mainly aimed at mothers doing boxfit but if a young kid wanted to box they could get a taste in there and it is owned by a former pro fighter. Also tbh, I don't know anybody who has ever done MMA nor would I know where an MMA gym was. So that is not a competing variable here. Additionally, amatuer success at the Olympics will lead to a profitable pro career. Being on Team GB itself now affords the fighters status. What's more they are professionals-in-waiting the moment they make that team. They are also incredibly well funded by the national lottery. The British public love a boxing medalist. Britain will likely continue to improve at Amateur level which is becoming more 'pro' and produce more good boxers some of which will obviously be white. That might well be a part of it - I ain't sure it's the full story, but the UK is a much more compact country than the US and most of our population is probably within relative easy travel distance of a boxing gym (even if some of the small ones don't exactly advertise well). Like you I live in a pretty good area now (on the outskirts of Manchester as it happens) but the nearest boxing gyms only 10 mins away on the bus and there used to be one almost on my doorstep (the Ring's still there and the room available for hire, but no classes. I do BJJ at the same gym FWIW and there's a coupla MMA fighters train there just so you know) - also there's the Hatton gym just round the corner from where I used to live in Hyde. In short if you want to box in the UK there ain't really any reason why you can't. That said, it seems to me there has to be more to it than that - there's what? 200 odd million 'white' Americans - there's gotta be some reason they ain't had a decent champion since Pavlik - unless Paulie counts.

Kelly Pavlik was world level. From the responses here. Distance to the gym sounds the most plausible. I live in a nice area really. There is a gym less than a mile away. Sure, it is mainly aimed at mothers doing boxfit but if a young kid wanted to box they could get a taste in there and it is owned by a former pro fighter. Also tbh, I don't know anybody who has ever done MMA nor would I know where an MMA gym was. So that is not a competing variable here. Additionally, amatuer success at the Olympics will lead to a profitable pro career. Being on Team GB itself now affords the fighters status. What's more they are professionals-in-waiting the moment they make that team. They are also incredibly well funded by the national lottery. The British public love a boxing medalist. Britain will likely continue to improve at Amateur level which is becoming more 'pro' and produce more good boxers some of which will obviously be white.

So 'great' and 'suck' are the two options, huh? I ain't gonna get into this sh1t with ya man. You wanna go thinking that all Mexicans are JCC and all black dudes are SRL whilst all white dudes are Brian Sutherland that's your business. Whatever your opinions, though you can't really deny the relative lack of success of US whites compared to others - so, are you saying you put this all down to 'hunger'? I mean yeah, the Ex Soviets had it tough, but here in the UK I don't think we've any more absolute poverty than in the US - though we're getting there. What is about US whites in particular that makes their success so uncommon in boxing? They are losing to the superior American black athlete. The average black American has around 24% white dna. I don't know what it is about the mix, but it creates an elite human sports machine. The Brits have a much smaller black population and even less of a mixed population. Some of your best fighters are mostly mixed though as you can see by the Kell Brooks, DeGales, Eubanks Jr, David Hayes, and Anthony Joshua's. Most of your other good fighters at the moment are travellers, who are raised to fight. English whites are not having to take on as many of these elite sports machines to rise to the top. Take this post with a grain of salt. I'm being facetious. Lmao!

White American boxers slowly disappeared as the black Americans took over. They got nothing to do in a boxing ring. Butterbean is probably the best white American ever.

UK white fighters suck too. UK trainers suck, always have always will. They don't want to bring in outside intellect so fùck 'em, they'll stay sucking. Eastern Europe, not that good either --- it's just those dudes are so fùcking hungry they fight like animals. Wasn't Providnokiv dining on Falcon meat for Christ's sake? Can you list me the Eastern Europe fighters you think are great please? Curious who you're thinking about collectively. Thanks in advance. Amateur programs do help, but if your trainers suck --- shít don't matter either. So 'great' and 'suck' are the two options, huh? I ain't gonna get into this sh1t with ya man. You wanna go thinking that all Mexicans are JCC and all black dudes are SRL whilst all white dudes are Brian Sutherland that's your business. Whatever your opinions, though you can't really deny the relative lack of success of US whites compared to others - so, are you saying you put this all down to 'hunger'? I mean yeah, the Ex Soviets had it tough, but here in the UK I don't think we've any more absolute poverty than in the US - though we're getting there. What is about US whites in particular that makes their success so uncommon in boxing?

We have lost most of our American Black Boxers from around 154lbs on up too. Anyone with decent size and talent is in other sports.

White America isn't inquisitive about boxing. that's part as a result of the shortage of quality boxing gyms in community areas. With the UFC and therefore the ethics of boxing it's dwindling. As so much because the NBA worries the style of the sport has shifted from fundamentals to vigor. This seen within the lack of defense and sadly low penalty free throw share. One exacter of the difficulty that folks tend to forget is that the bodily damage of profession sports. To be knowledgeable contestant you have got to sacrifice your body. somebody WHO has different charitableness typically can depart this world skilled athletics. folks look into professional athletes and see Mayweather, Lebron, Kobe, or Peterson however, on the average careers solely last 3 years. i might not dig a hole to become a jock fighter.

I mean, Germany has a lot of boxers Most with immigratkon background.