The winner of the Cruiserweight WBSS is P4P top 5. Discuss.

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For sure! Me personally, some boxers like Oleksandr Usyk for example, I may even have him in my top 3 or perhaps even number 1 if he becomes the champion of that tournament and goes on to accomplish other significant goals. He had become the cruiserweight champion with fewer bouts than any other cruisrweight champion in history, including needing less bouts than Evander Holyfield himself. Now if he goes on to accomplish a few more unique goals like that, such as becoming the champion of the Cruiserweight tournament and then becoming the undisputed best, I may have him top 3. If he can become a heavyweight champion, he would probably be number 1. Although that's just Usyk I'm arguing about. The other cruiserweights don't either have other unique achievements, or have the potential to achieve as much unique goals to become the number 1 P4P. However, even then, I would still rank them very high in the P4P list if they win the tournament.

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Nahhhhh P4p is skill levels Its about comparing that not resumes Usyk is damn skillful and Dorticos has that beautiful timing that a lot of Cubans seem to have.

Nahhhhh P4p is skill levels Its about comparing that not resumes

Bump. Dorticos vs Gassiev Usyk vs Briedis Before the tournament I was picking Briedis to win it but now he looks like the weakest of the semi-finalists. Either way, amazing tournament, loving it.

I'm not sure the winner has the right skin color to be that high up in the eyes of most here even though the cruiserweight tournament is much better than the super six in both format and quality of fighter. Top 5 is tough either way. I guess we'll have to see how it plays out, but top 10 is minimum. Whoever wins (if it's controversy free) it's a huge achievement. I don't think it has anything do with skin color. Usyk is unknown to fans. He'll soon receive his proper props. I think there are a lot more decent people here than racists.

I'm not sure the winner has the right skin color to be that high up in the eyes of most here even though the cruiserweight tournament is much better than the super six in both format and quality of fighter. Top 5 is tough either way. I guess we'll have to see how it plays out, but top 10 is minimum. Whoever wins (if it's controversy free) it's a huge achievement.

Kovalev slipped places when he first loss, and slid out completely upon losing his will to fight against Ward the second time, for me those two were top two even so after the first fight I saw no daylight between the two, in seperable, for me Kovalev really should still be included, lets see how he bounces back first though. . I'm real curious to see how Kovalev bounces back. People were calling him one of the greatest LHWs of all time (no me, but people) and they just couldn't envision him losing. Hell, some freaks still can't accept that he lost. I'm dying to find out if he can go back to utterly dominating. Especially now that we can some sharp competition rising up. You sound fu.ckin delusional and half of what you said are only based on your opinions, which is the only fair way to even go through what you said.. Opinions are what P4P is about though... Just by definition, one can't "prove" who is P4P #1. We can speculate and provide opinions.

lol usyk has to win the tournament, step up to heavyweight, beat wilder, ortiz and joshua and before he scrapes into that guys top 10. playing the poor white guy gets no credit victim card again are we

Before Canelo decided he's seen Golovkin slip enough to face him I didn't have him as a top 10 p4p, I'm still not sure he's deserving but seem as though he's proved himself a better boxer I feel inclined to include him as I had included Golovkin. In the aftermath it's evident I overrated GGG and underrated Canelo, or simply both really aren't elite. I don't feel Canelo is was or will ever be elite, I did feel Golovkin was, that time has passed, he's spent too long padding his record and resume waiting to cash out against Canelo. Canelo's defence, counter punching and offence was as good as Golovkin's, his power however is not on par, Golovkin is evidently the the more powerful of the two, I don't see that as a justification to rank someone as high as another guy more skilled, I do somewhat feel Golovkin has superior footwork to some of the lower half of the top ten, Canelo included so I guess he's above Canelo with Canelo closely matching him coming in tightly behind him. Look at the shots Spence shipped against Brook in comparison to Golovkin, as I said before Golovkin obviously has more power than Canelo and Spence but the pound for pound is not ranked on who has the most power, it goes by skill, resume, talent, footwork, defence, offence... we don't need to get into this as we're both aware. Golovkin for me has slipped in his last two fights, coincidently has he has risen his level of opponent, his last three performances are that of the no.1 guy ? No, absolutely not. I had Golovkin top four after and before Brook, after Jacobs who I felt beat GGG top 6, after Canelo top 8. Kovalev slipped places when he first loss, and slid out completely upon losing his will to fight against Ward the second time, for me those two were top two even so after the first fight I saw no daylight between the two, in seperable, for me Kovalev really should still be included, lets see how he bounces back first though. Thurman I hold in high regard as Spence and actually give the edge against Errol when they face each other. He's deserving of being up their amongst the elite, the guy is infinity more skilled than Golovkin. You sound fu.ckin delusional and half of what you said are only based on your opinions, which is the only fair way to even go through what you said.. We'll have to agree to disagree and I don't think you need a reason.. but just because you judged a fight, I'll let this out.. I had GGG winning against Jacobs and Canelo and Ward losing the first fight with Kovalev but won the rematch for sure which warranted #1 but between Crawford and GGG it's a neck to neck.. Top 3 has to be Loma and just FYI Rigo has fought a bunch of bums after Donaire.. Thurman is above him in my book.. Spence barely makes it to p4p with just 1 great win, if that is the case we need to add AJ too in there.. at least 2 good wins and you can crack the slot in top 10

Smart post. Green sent. I don't know man. After looking at your post, I'd put Usyk above all of them. He's already on my list based on skill alone. If he wins this whole tournament, he's the best in boxing, bar none. The guy is basically a heavyweight moving like a lightweight, and has special effects. He needs to work on his stamina and, more importantly, stop admiring his own work too much until the conclusion of the bout. I'm picking him to win this prize. War Usyk! agreed, if he wins the tournament in convincing fashion he goes to no.1 p4p which will cause some ward fanboys to go to meltdown defcom level 5 :(

You are telling me Loma's resume with two good fighters in Russell and Walters > GGG's resume who has unified the division? Rigo, Thurman and Spence are better in p4p rankings than Golovkin? You are appalling when it comes to rating Golovkin but have the audacity to rank Thurman and Spence over GGg.. And this is coming from a Thurman and GGG fan.. Make a case for your rating Scottie.. BTW, This is my top 5 p4p post Ward.. Crawford GGG Loma Thurman Canelo Before Canelo decided he's seen Golovkin slip enough to face him I didn't have him as a top 10 p4p, I'm still not sure he's deserving but seem as though he's proved himself a better boxer I feel inclined to include him as I had included Golovkin. In the aftermath it's evident I overrated GGG and underrated Canelo, or simply both really aren't elite. I don't feel Canelo is was or will ever be elite, I did feel Golovkin was, that time has passed, he's spent too long padding his record and resume waiting to cash out against Canelo. Canelo's defence, counter punching and offence was as good as Golovkin's, his power however is not on par, Golovkin is evidently the the more powerful of the two, I don't see that as a justification to rank someone as high as another guy more skilled, I do somewhat feel Golovkin has superior footwork to some of the lower half of the top ten, Canelo included so I guess he's above Canelo with Canelo closely matching him coming in tightly behind him. Look at the shots Spence shipped against Brook in comparison to Golovkin, as I said before Golovkin obviously has more power than Canelo and Spence but the pound for pound is not ranked on who has the most power, it goes by skill, resume, talent, footwork, defence, offence... we don't need to get into this as we're both aware. Golovkin for me has slipped in his last two fights, coincidently has he has risen his level of opponent, his last three performances are that of the no.1 guy ? No, absolutely not. I had Golovkin top four after and before Brook, after Jacobs who I felt beat GGG top 6, after Canelo top 8. Kovalev slipped places when he first loss, and slid out completely upon losing his will to fight against Ward the second time, for me those two were top two even so after the first fight I saw no daylight between the two, in seperable, for me Kovalev really should still be included, lets see how he bounces back first though. Thurman I hold in high regard as Spence and actually give the edge against Errol when they face each other. He's deserving of being up their amongst the elite, the guy is infinity more skilled than Golovkin.

Yeah i agree. CW is one of the best divisions, and this tournament has them all. Looking at Usyk in particular. He's in the P4P list discussion now IMO. He's a skilled guy. If he was to add Briedis and Gassiev/Dorticos to his resume, that's impressive.

Usyk just in my top 10, so depending on types of performances (looked laboured against an ancient Huck) and what happens with other fighters, he might move up a place or two.

The winner is sure to make the p4p list. It's a pretty stacked tournament. SMW tourney, not so much

Smart post. Green sent. I don't know man. After looking at your post, I'd put Usyk above all of them. He's already on my list based on skill alone. If he wins this whole tournament, he's the best in boxing, bar none. The guy is basically a heavyweight moving like a lightweight, and has special effects. He needs to work on his stamina and, more importantly, stop admiring his own work too much until the conclusion of the bout. I'm picking him to win this prize. War Usyk! Always important but i thought he showed excellent volume and stamina in the Huck fight. It was one of the more notable dynamics in the fight he was busy and relentless. Showed good stamina in the Hunter and Glowacki fights too that hasn't been an issue for him.

Usyk is like the cruiserweight's version of Lomachenko. Those who don't have him in their top 10 P4P list, I'd like to know why. What exactly is the reason? The 'poor / weak division' can't be used as an excuse since the cruiserweight division is currently one of, if not the most stacked and competitive weight divisions. It has boxers from more countries competing than most of the other weight divisions.

should be p4p number 1 or 2. ward was p4p top 2 (number1 when mayweather retired) for winning the super middle tournament so why shouldnt the winner of this one be too? i think usyk will win it and to me he passes the eye test too so i dont see why people shouldnt have him rated very highly if he wins it, unless theres an agenda at play. This I totally agree with. I've actually thought about this before the OP even created this thread. If Usyk wins the cruiserweight tournament and if Lomachenko beats Guillermo Rigondeaux, both should be (in my opinion) number 1 and 2 respectively. Who is number 1 and 2 between both is arguable. However, those are 2 of the best current accomplishments in boxing. The cruiserweight division is in my opinion, the most stacked and most competitive division in boxing today. It might even be the most global (boxers competing from most countries). To me, it's similar to the 1970's heavyweight division. The current heavyweight division is pretty similar to the 1970's 'heavyweight' era.

usyk is favorite but gassiev has 1 KO power to end any1