How great are you when the fighter moving up gives you lose or your hardest fight?

and his assessment of Marvin Haglers ATG career... What's funny is that he doesn't even know that the 168-pound class didn't even exist for Hagler so he's criticizing Hagler for not inventing the division himself or being born too early or not possessing a time machine but he's cool with Andre Ward not moving up to cruiserweight. The kid started watching boxing with Mayweather and only Mayweather and then went onto Ward. He won't be a boxing fan much longer just waiting out the careers of GGG and a select few other non brown fighters.

Boxrec claims a fighter has to be undisputed to start a lineage. A lot of Pacquiao's lineals weren't started by an undisputed champ. :dunce: They contradict themselves. Neither Floyd or Pacquaio have ever unified a single division. Neither has held more than 2 belts in 1 division at one time. Both have been career cherry picking champs carefully maneuvering their careers. Lineage is the man who beat the man who beat the man etc; designed because there's multiple belts but people only really used it for the heavyweight division really. Pacquaio is really a 6 division titlist, Floyd a 5 division titlist.

Larry got spanked big time in his own thread! He is nowhere to be seen .... https://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/log-lady.png?w=635

larry is the biggest floyd co ck sucker on the planet. That's what ok i get ur drift but please spare me the homo talk

does anyone else see the irony of Larry saying crap like this, but not realizing Maidana gave Floyd one of his hardest fights (1st fight) and was pretty much a 140 lber for 8 years before moving up to WW his laat two years of boxing?

I never was a Hagler fan because i dont think he challenged himself...his biggest wins were against little guys and Duran even went the distance with him in a close fight!!the real special fighters are the ones who HAVE to move UP to fight A REAL CHALLENGE!! the bigger man SHOULD DOMINATE THE SMALLER GUY EASILY!!!..special talent usually produces special results Never speak down on our fellow brethren publicly. Shame on you.

because there is no agreed upon method of determining the starting point for each lineage and conflicting opinions on what to do when the current champion retires or moves to a different weight class, although there is agreement that any stripping of a title be discounted.----------------------- boxrec says it starts initially with undisputed, this is also stated later in the description which short circuits your feeble arguement weasel

in larry's world, floyd challenged himself when he fought and beat an already mowed down manny..a shaky shane, and a previously battered pillar to post cotto...

Boxrec is a boxing authority now? :rofl: So now are you saying YOU are more of a boxing authority than boxrec, you have more information in your pea brain than boxrec has obtained over many years, IS THAT YOUR CLAIM

Ignoring the fact the subtext of this thread was about GG vs Canelo, where there was no significant size difference on either side, smaller fighters have had success against bigger men from beginnings of the sport right up to the present day. Yes big men have an advantage in size, but smaller guys often have the advantage in movement and speed. It's the fighter who can force their advantages on their opponent, and negate their opponents strengths who will win. It's not the dog in the fight, it's the fight in the dog, a very old saying

Ignoring the fact the subtext of this thread was about GG vs Canelo, where there was no significant size difference on either side, smaller fighters have had success against bigger men from beginnings of the sport right up to the present day. Yes big men have an advantage in size, but smaller guys often have the advantage in movement and speed. It's the fighter who can force their advantages on their opponent, and negate their opponents strengths who will win.

Hilarious watching Larry get y'all in your feelings. All anyone can do is attack him about Floyd :lol1: In theory people could make fun about him being poor or even about his boarderline retarded son, but I think most have too much class.

Hilarious watching Larry get y'all in your feelings. All anyone can do is attack him about Floyd :lol1: and his assessment of Marvin Haglers ATG career...

Marvin Hagler was a perfectly sized MW who would have had to move to LHW if he wanted to move up. He dominated his era of MW's, as well as beating the great smaller guys who wanted to come up to Middle. With the exception of a contested SRL loss. Such a bs reason to criticise a fighter.

Nearly all modern ones. Example - Pacquiao at 130 became lineal by defeating JMM, he was never undisputed. Cool. Yeah, basically Boxrec doesn't really define it properly - or at least they do, but then go on to contract themselves. http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Lineal_championship Pac - JMM is one of the examples of #1 and #2 squaring off which I'm cool with, but doesn't fit with the definition of the lineage starting with an undisputed champ (which would have to be few and far between in the modern era). Incidentally thought you might like this: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2437154-examining-perception-of-manny-pacquiaos-8-world-titles-before-mayweather-fight

I don't need to. There's no Lineal World Title. Just like there's no P4P World Title. Boxrec is also wrong by saying "the lineal championship of a weight class is a world championship title held initially by an undisputed champion" There's many lineages where nobody was undisputed. Of course being that there's no lineal title, boxrec can make whatever rules they want up. Keep Googling. Whilst I've no desire to get involved in your little to and fro about how many titles Pacquiao held (I'm with you on this one, incidentally. Technically the language you used seemed to me only to indicate titles awarded by the major sanction bodies - but you're arguing sematics and interpretation on a boxing forum which is the very essence of pointlessness) I am curious about this comment (bolded). I think Boxrec has it right that the originator of a lineage should be an undisputed champion and anyway as long as they apply this ruling consistently to their own rankings, they're basically allowed to use whatever definition they choose. Myself I'm also cool with an additional alternative which allows the consensus #1 and #2 to square off to create a new lineage, but then that opens a whole new can of worms cos it's not often you can even get agreement on the top two, so... I was just curious to know which examples you know of Boxrec contravening it's own definitions and and having a lineage that didn't start with an undisputed champ.?

I don't need to. There's no Lineal World Title. Just like there's no P4P World Title. Boxrec is also wrong by saying "the lineal championship of a weight class is a world championship title held initially by an undisputed champion" There's many lineages where nobody was undisputed. Of course being that there's no lineal title, boxrec can make whatever rules they want up. Keep Googling. Come on lil robbie, I want to hear more about how you know more than boxrec and every other boxing authority in the world, list your qualifications weasel

Read the second line imbecile, then see if you have the IQ to count to 8, that's how many divisions pacquaio has won world titles in, if you make it to 8, that's 3 more than your boyfriend, see where it says WORLD TITLE

:lol1: Desperation. There is no lineal world title. Only you believe their is.That makes you retarded. Go google some more. In combat sports where champions are decided by a challenge, the lineal championship of a weight class is a world championship title held initially by an undisputed champion and subsequently by a fighter who defeats the reigning champion in a match at that weight class. In professional boxing, the lineal champion is informally called "the man who beat the man". Champions recognized by sanctioning bodies such as the World Boxing Association (WBA) or World Boxing Council (WBC), or the Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) may vacate their title voluntarily, or be stripped of the title for breaching the sanctioning body's regulations or contracts. There will thus be a breach of continuity in the list of sanctioned champions which the lineal championship is intended to prevent. However, there is no single canonical list of lineal champions at any weight class, because there is no agreed upon method of determining the starting point for each lineage and conflicting opinions on what to do when the current champion retires or moves to a different weight class, although there is agreement that any stripping of a title be discounted.----------------------- boxrec take on lineal world title, eat sh1t and die mutter fuker , argue with boxrec ya weasel