Will Ward be remembered as a CHEATER and DUCKER?

did you watch the video black panther? the only time I saw guys hold like ward did is when they were out on their feet. Kessler would have beat ward easy and ward knew it so he fought a very dirty fight to survive. so would have Bika beaten mental ward and Bika is black so don't pin that bigot s h it on me That is your opinion not a fact.

I will make my pint this way. If Kigali made a thread saying GGG would be remembered as a slow footed bum you'd all call him a racist and think he was retarded. If Larry, pbc, me and a few others came in and agreed you'd be killing us, and rightfully so. Yet in this thread you cosign the TS who is suggesting Ward, who has never been dqd and has a great reputation will be remembered as a cheater, ducker and "head butter". Just doesn't make sense.

i can at least say he beat a significant amount of fighters while they were in their prime...much respect for that

Well you clearly have some other issues relative to Ward that is affecting your ability to discuss this rationally. did you watch the video black panther? the only time I saw guys hold like ward did is when they were out on their feet. Kessler would have beat ward easy and ward knew it so he fought a very dirty fight to survive. so would have Bika beaten mental ward and Bika is black so don't pin that bigot s h it on me

I can say,with the utmost respect to him and fans,that he wont be remembered.I dont see anybody that might be one day"oh man,ever since ward left,boxing hasnt been the same" or "i miss those ward fights,the wars,the drama"

gotta love boxing seeeeen

Good point about the use of the term bum. Anyway I'd say Froch > Kessler > Abraham. I wouldn't call Abraham A-level. Kessler is solid. Froch was a big win. But if you really feel that way, I'd love to hear a win that GGG or Kovalev have that is as good and convincing as Ward-Froch that people deride as a win over a 'hype job'. It's not enough to just say that's what other posters would do, show me some reason I should buy that. He beat the best fighters of his division then moved up and beat the best fighter of that division, plus a solid win in Barrera to boot. Granted that many felt Ward lost the first Kov fight and Barrera was inexperienced at the time. It strikes me as wild that anyone can call that 'underachieving'. Can't even imagine what it takes to achieve then. Froch was his career defining win. But, he fought dirty and for whatever reason, Andre got away with that style when referees knew full well what sort of fighter he was. There are sacred cows of boxing, those who can do no wrong and never get penalized or DQ'd, Ward is one such fighter. I would rate GGGs wins over Jacobs AND Canelo higher than Ward's wins over Froch, Kessler and Kovalev. First Kovalev fight was a robbery, rematch was disgraceful display of Ward's status as sacred cow who can low-blow his way to victory and come out smelling like a rose.

Those are not minor blips. They're just the most famous ones. He's used his dirty tactics throught his entire career. You know it and I know it, but again, only one of us are not ignoring it. Yeah, I ignore all of the insignificant pieces of a great fighters career. My point stands-outside of boxing internet forums, Ward is a respected fighter and isn't seen as dirty. Unintentional headbutts and accidental lowblows have never defined a HOF'ers career. Can't see that they would for Ward. Of course if you are convinced they are "Golata" like, well it would seem you have an agenda.

how the phuck could a video like this NOT shape your opinion of the POS ward? I knew he was bad about butting and holding but that video is unreal. he should have been arrested after the Kessler fight purse taken away. I say Kessler and Bika would have easily beaten him without the unbelievable tactics the son of the devil used. how in gods name the ref did not disqualify him in those fights? Well you clearly have some other issues relative to Ward that is affecting your ability to discuss this rationally.

None of his wins were surrounded in controversy. Controversy is when the media questions a bad verdict. A bunch of butthurt bigots (not you) and non Americans whining and going out of their way to denigrate and downplay Ward's wins in internet forums isn't "controversy". If that is how you choose to remember him, Then you are retarded, Szef. edit: it just seems crazy that a fight like Kessler, which has all but been forgotten by most, wil somehow shape how Ward is seen. everybody to you black panthers is a bigot white supremacist Nazi if we don't bow down to blacks and say they are the greatest humans ever put on earth. go to hell you and your ghetto s h it I was born in the suburbs. Never lived in the ghetto. Sorry! Who did I call a "bigot,white supremacist Nazi " in this thread? first of all you are a liar and in a previous post you said only butt hurt bigots don't like ward. so go to hell with your fake suburbs s h I t Here is the post you quoted unedited at the top. Read it again. I didn't post what you said. Hopefully, you will be a man and admit you read it wrong.

I was born in the suburbs. Never lived in the ghetto. Sorry! Who did I call a "bigot,white supremacist Nazi " in this thread? first of all you are a liar and in a previous post you said only butt hurt bigots don't like ward. so go to hell with your fake suburbs s h I t

Not to split hairs, but I don't call any fighter a bum. No one deserves that. However, I do know that if Kovalev or GGG had Ward's resume...the haters would be shytting all over it talking about what a bum Abraham is, Kessler one-dimensional, Froch a hype job. There is a definite double standard that exists. Ward underachieved. In doing so, he was a dirty and often dull fighter. He won't be missed. Not by me and maybe not even by his 8,000 fans. Good point about the use of the term bum. Anyway I'd say Froch > Kessler > Abraham. I wouldn't call Abraham A-level. Kessler is solid. Froch was a big win. But if you really feel that way, I'd love to hear a win that GGG or Kovalev have that is as good and convincing as Ward-Froch that people deride as a win over a 'hype job'. It's not enough to just say that's what other posters would do, show me some reason I should buy that. He beat the best fighters of his division then moved up and beat the best fighter of that division, plus a solid win in Barrera to boot. Granted that many felt Ward lost the first Kov fight and Barrera was inexperienced at the time. It strikes me as wild that anyone can call that 'underachieving'. Can't even imagine what it takes to achieve then.

Dude, seriously in no other aspect of your life would you use a doctored, biased video made by a disgruntled fan as the foundation for your argument. At least I do not think you would. So here, with all due respect, you are trying to convince me that videos like this will shape how you see ward? The only people who will give these videos any credence are people who already have an agenda and are looking for validation. Put it like this-if I post a video that says Floyd Mayweather was a nice guy that didn't beat women and was falsely accused, you think that going to shift public opinion? Of course not. how the phuck could a video like this NOT shape your opinion of the POS ward? I knew he was bad about butting and holding but that video is unreal. he should have been arrested after the Kessler fight purse taken away. I say Kessler and Bika would have easily beaten him without the unbelievable tactics the son of the devil used. how in gods name the ref did not disqualify him in those fights?

If you say so. It defies logic that you will remember such minor blips in a career that had so many accomplishments. Like you will remember a headbutt more than you will the Froch fight? You will remember an obscure elbow from 8 years ago more than the Dawson TKO. You will remember a borderline body punch more than the hard right he landed that dazed Kov? Those are not minor blips. They're just the most famous ones. He's used his dirty tactics throught his entire career. You know it and I know it, but again, only one of us are not ignoring it.

He should change his name from SOG to Killer of Euro's

My fault I actually deleted my post because I realized I misread your post. Anyway, I still think it's hard to say he doesn't have an A-list of names on his resume. If you don't like the way in which he earned those victories fine, but you can't call em bums now Not to split hairs, but I don't call any fighter a bum. No one deserves that. However, I do know that if Kovalev or GGG had Ward's resume...the haters would be shytting all over it talking about what a bum Abraham is, Kessler one-dimensional, Froch a hype job. There is a definite double standard that exists. Ward underachieved. In doing so, he was a dirty and often dull fighter. He won't be missed. Not by me and maybe not even by his 8,000 fans.

everybody to you black panthers is a bigot white supremacist Nazi if we don't bow down to blacks and say they are the greatest humans ever put on earth. go to hell you and your ghetto s h it I was born in the suburbs. Never lived in the ghetto. Sorry! Who did I call a "bigot,white supremacist Nazi " in this thread?

#WardRuinsLives See, this the perfect example of a dumb Ward fanboy^^. Got no answer to people criticizing Ward? 'He mad'. Children, smh.

This is the thing, I didn't choose to remember him this way, he did it for me. And by contrevery I mean his dirty tactics such as headbutts, hitting people with elbows, ending fights on low blows. He is the one who did all those things. I just choose to not to ignore it. If you say so. It defies logic that you will remember such minor blips in a career that had so many accomplishments. Like you will remember a headbutt more than you will the Froch fight? You will remember an obscure elbow from 8 years ago more than the Dawson TKO. You will remember a borderline body punch more than the hard right he landed that dazed Kov?

This is the thing, I didn't choose to remember him this way, he did it for me. And by contrevery I mean his dirty tactics such as headbutts, hitting people with elbows, ending fights on low blows. He is the one who did all those things. I just choose to not to ignore it. 'none of his wins were shrouded in controversy' :lol1: :lol1: why are you even bothering to debate this level of retardation ? Its not like he can even coherently construct a post without name calling or saying everyone is a bigot or racist if you dont share his delusional opinion. absolute lunatic lol.