I've seen a lot of hype around Canelo and Spence who are exceptional talents but I don't see the same hype around someone like Keith Thurman. For example, Max has said that Spence is special whereas Keith is just really really good. He also has said the same for Canelo. But looking at all three, Keith just seems to be the better overall fighter.
Comparing Canelo and Keith it is very clear that Keith has the better footwork, versatility, movement, offense, defense is equal imo but I would probably give a slight edge to Canelo, counter punching, ring IQ, athleticism, and Keith seems to be better at making adjustments. There has never been any controversy surrounding a Keith Thurman victory but there has been controversy surrounding a few Canelo victories.
Comparing Spence and Keith, it is the same. Keith is just the better fighter. He can fight better at distance, and he can fight in the pocket pretty well, he has the better movement, defense, versatility arsenal, speed, power, and arsenal. Spence is better at cutting off the ring and using the jab to his advantage but that's it.
So my question to you all is, what do Spence and Canelo do better than Thurman to be considered 'special' whereas Thurman is just considered really good?
Canelo is the same height of Spence but much thicker and stronger. If Brook can wobble and back Spence up Canelo could do much much more damage. It took Spence 11 rounds to beat an already compramized fighter who GGG destroyed in 5. And Canelo went the distance against GGG. Canelo would hurt Spence badly. It might be even a remake of Angulo in which Spence eats flush after flush of hard counters.
Levels of talent to this thing called boxing and Spence is above both.
Outside of having a jab and knowing how to cut off the ring, his offense is more dynamic and consistent. Spence is much more fundamentally sound and all those attributes makes him a better fighter. H2H, Spence would beat him via clear decision. I don't say KO because Thurman will get on his bike like a chump and it would be nearly impossible at that point to catch him flush.
Spence is on another level.
I'm sorry but I really think you are being Bias. Keith is more well-rounded and more skilled. It's like Canelo and GGG. GGG is bigger but Canelo is just more skilled overall.
Canelo is the same height of Spence but much thicker and stronger. If Brook can wobble and back Spence up Canelo could do much much more damage. It took Spence 11 rounds to beat an already compramized fighter who GGG destroyed in 5. And Canelo went the distance against GGG. Canelo would hurt Spence badly. It might be even a remake of Angulo in which Spence eats flush after flush of hard counters.
You fail to realize Brook is much better than canelo too
What does Spence do better outside of cutting off the ring and jab
Outside of having a jab and knowing how to cut off the ring, his offense is more dynamic and consistent. Spence is much more fundamentally sound and all those attributes makes him a better fighter. H2H, Spence would beat him via clear decision. I don't say KO because Thurman will get on his bike like a chump and it would be nearly impossible at that point to catch him flush.
Spence is on another level.
Thurman may be the more athletically gifted fighter over spence and canelo but his overall boxing talent is inferior. His skills and technique arent on par with those guys.
He is an ambush fighter who only shows bursts of action kinda like david Haye. He may be fast and fleet footed but dont mistake that with footwork. He doesnt have footwork which is why he just runs around to avoid punches. He has no defense.
Thurman wont last
What does Spence do better outside of cutting off the ring and jab
Thurman may be the more athletically gifted fighter over spence and canelo but his overall boxing talent is inferior. His skills and technique arent on par with those guys.
He is an ambush fighter who only shows bursts of action kinda like david Haye. He may be fast and fleet footed but dont mistake that with footwork. He doesnt have footwork which is why he just runs around to avoid punches. He has no defense.
Thurman wont last
Canelo doens't fight at 160 now you retard. He fought Chavez at a catch-weight and met GGG at 160. Nowhere does anyone say he's an official middleweight.
He fought Golovkin at 160 for a few titles, sounds like a middleweight.
According to you what's his weight then?
You think Canelo is scared of Thurman and Spence? :pat:
What do you mean move out of 154? Canelo fights at 160 now
Collazo almost folded up Thurman with a bodyshot, imagine what Canelo does to him lol.
Canelo doens't fight at 160 now you retard. He fought Chavez at a catch-weight and met GGG at 160. Nowhere does anyone say he's an official middleweight.
You're fúcking stupid. Spence and Thurman are light years beyond Canelo. If they move up, Canelo will move out of 154.
You think Canelo is scared of Thurman and Spence? :pat:
What do you mean move out of 154? Canelo fights at 160 now
Collazo almost folded up Thurman with a bodyshot, imagine what Canelo does to him lol.
Spence has holes in his game. He doesn't move his head, he can fight off the back foot, when you keep him in the middle he seems limited, and his stamina has question marks. Keith is the better overall fighter.
I would strongly disagree
Canelo is clearly better than those two, also I dont consider Canelo special
You're fúcking stupid. Spence and Thurman are light years beyond Canelo. If they move up, Canelo will move out of 154.
The simple answer is that Keith Thurman has clear holes in his game, similar to Canelo and his lack of quick foot movement.
It's happened on enough instances that hitting Keith Thurman to the body is now a tool that folks will work to utilize.
Errol Spence Jr looksg to be special because he doesn't seem to have any holes in his game; he can box, brawl, move, punch, play distance, fight close, and pretty much anything else you can try to do in a boxing ring. (He's missing that one-hitter, but that's less of an issue in determining "specialness").
Special fighters can basically do everything; there are things that Keith Thurman simply can't do.
Spence has holes in his game. He doesn't move his head, he can fight off the back foot, when you keep him in the middle he seems limited, and his stamina has question marks. Keith is the better overall fighter.