I'll be one of the only open ones to admit that Canelo surprised me, he is more of a fighter than I have given him credit for. I did credit him with beating Lara at the time but post that his choices in opponents killed my support for him.
With that said...
Admins: Y'all need to do a better job! You have people with several accounts on here switching names every few minutes to agree with themselves. Its glaringly obvious from the writing styles they reply to themselves with the same mispellings, the same punctuation issues, and overall the same exact insults. I would happily pay for a developer to help you guys isolate these accounts and rid us of this nonsense so we can get back to actual boxing discussion without the trolling.
Trolls: You cannot change the narrative of what transpires in a fight no matter how hard you try to agree with your original post.
Fighters:
Golovkin:Golovkin has aged, his reflexive timing is clearly showing signs of degradation. He's close to the end. He should consider fighting Saunders and calling it a career. I love the guy but he should've gone more to the body, I think he could've gotten a stoppage had he put in the work to the body early. Canelo clearly ran out of gas during the middle rounds before getting his second wind and had there been body work put in early it would've been his undoing. Golovkin is definitely not the fighter he was two years ago and some of it can be attributed to the competition before him but the reality is he's 35 and was never fast and slippery which does not bode well for a fighter with his style. He is not a hypejob, he is not an ATG middleweight but he would've been a force of nature at his peak in any era at the weight for anyone.
Canelo: Showed impressive whiskers but his stamina is absolutely horrendous. I was most surprised at his improvement with the jab and his lateral movement when on the ropes to stem off the attack. He needs to work on covering his body more though when on the ropes. Had Golovkin not tried to set traps to the head and instead used his left hook to the body the kid could've found himself in serious trouble. I was also impressed at times when he popped off the movement, it wasn't constant which would've served him well but he did do a bit of running at times to keep his opponent off him. To say he didn't flat out run at times is false and I respect it because he was clearly huffing for breath, had he not he was ripe for the taking and it bought him the time to catch his breath but he's got to learn to fight off that movement, too many lulls in action on his part where he gave away rounds. Instead of focusing on power he should learn to use his hand speed in those equations to buy himself the time he needs.
Judges: I didn't see a draw personally even though it was a close fight, the crowd in Vegas with me didn't see a draw but a draw is what we got. Bennett needs to ease up from being so defensive when asked about judges because something is clearly wrong when a fight that's close gets scored so lopsided and a critique to Oscar and company, when your fighter is the A-side (according to boxing fckery around here) and he gets a scorecard in his favor like this vs Mayweather, then vs Lara (another close fight) and now against the standing champion of a division the finger is going to get pointed at you and it's going to kill the love of some for your fighter and makes other fighters not want to fight on your terms. The boxing judge system needs a complete overhaul. Promoters and fighters should never have contact with judges and refs, they should not share the same events, should not attend the same events and should be banned for life for such egregious scoring from the first fk up they have. These guys are putting their lives on the line with every punch they absorb only to have someone who wants to keep getting approved by the promoters they side with by giving them favorable scores. 118-110 is an embarrassment to the sport and to both of these fighters, more so the champion in this equation.
Fight: It was a great fight but not the great war that was promised and that's fine. These were two great fighters with everything on the line. I personally don't need a rematch, especially 8 months from now. Either make it in January or not at all, my opinion still stands on who won and I think unifying the division right now is a more interesting moment than seeing these two fight again. I wanted the winner to take the strap from BJS and that's still where I stand on the topic regardless of who won. The ref managed the fight very well and I am happy with that, we didn't have any head clashes that altered the fight.
Not unusual.
He has fought twice a year the last 6 years, 4 of those 6 years in May and 4 of those 6 years in September.
But, you can see whatever you like in it...
Why would a guy who usually fights in May and September want a January fight?
And, I am sure Saunders will wait til May for a Canelo fight if the choice is between that or a December/January fight with Golovkin.
I stated if Canelo had won I would've wanted that, he didn't and he isn't committing to a rematch right now so Saunders in January makes sense either here or in the Uk for 2018. Both fought on the same date just now, a month's rest, which leaves them a few weeks for marketing and then 2 to 2 1/2 months for a camp for a January showdown. For one thing neither Golovkin or Saunders do well with long layoffs and with a fighter that is not commited to a rematch it makes sense to me.
When has July 4th been a big boxing fight date? The most recent PPV I see with that date is Pacquaio vs Larios (2006) & this was when Manny wasn't Manny yet & selling GGG PPV-like numbers.
I know way way back in the Jack Dempsey days that used to be a big fight date, but I don't think its every really been one in "our era" of boxing.
I'm just pointing out that limiting megafights to mexican holidays is not mandatory. Didn't mean to insinuate that its been a big holiday for fights but its a potential day for it.
Yeah, that's why he will be back in May or September.
Not unusual.
He has fought twice a year the last 6 years, 4 of those 6 years in May and 4 of those 6 years in September.
But, you can see whatever you like in it...
Please don't assume nothing and put words in my mouth. If you have any doubts or are unsure quote me and ask. The reason why i want it in January is because all this fight 8 months down the line is bullshh. Neither of these guys took the kind of damage where we need to wait 8 months for a rematch. I want that title taken from Saunders plain and simple and would've been calling on Canelo to fight Saunders in January too had he won last night. I don't agree with catering big fight only to a certain regions day of revelry. Didn't care for it when Floyd did it, don't care for it now.
Why would a guy who usually fights in May and September want a January fight?
And, I am sure Saunders will wait til May for a Canelo fight if the choice is between that or a December/January fight with Golovkin.
Agree with virtually everything you are saying except you don't need to see a rematch or you need to see it in January. I think there is a ton of stuff left undiscovered here due to the draw. And the big boxing months are May & September. And this is a big rematch that'll take place in May or September & I don't see why they'd do it any differently for a rematch.
I disagree with the big fight months being May and September. Plenty of big fights have happened outside of that. I think we need to stop letting what Floyd did dictate what the sport is today. July 4th is also a big holiday, a huge holiday in fact and could very well handle fights then as well. Those two mexican holidays are great for fights but they should not be the only time we get mega fights. A good match up will do well any time of the year. Personally I would prefer a rematch to have all the belts on the line whether golovkin or canelo has Saunders strap or hell even Jacobs. I would love to see that belt get ripped from Saunders. Could I live without these two fighting again? Yes, hell Canelo isn't committing to one so i'm not going to work myself up expecting it.
When he says "make it in January or not at all", that sounds like a guy worried about the shelf life of one of his favorite fighters.
Everyone knows a rematch will be May or September, and he is right to worry that Golovkin will be that much older.
I thought Canelo won last night and he'll only do better in a rematch- and that won't matter if they fight next year or next week.
Canelo is one of the most ring savvy fighters I have ever seen.
He learns from every fight.
And he will have new stuff for the next one no matter who he fights.
Please don't assume nothing and put words in my mouth. If you have any doubts or are unsure quote me and ask. The reason why i want it in January is because all this fight 8 months down the line is bullshh. Neither of these guys took the kind of damage where we need to wait 8 months for a rematch. I want that title taken from Saunders plain and simple and would've been calling on Canelo to fight Saunders in January too had he won last night. I don't agree with catering big fight only to a certain regions day of revelry. Didn't care for it when Floyd did it, don't care for it now.
Canelo landed more powershots.
Canelo landed the heavier, cleaner shots too.
I think he came thru it just fine.
Yeah, that's why he will be back in May or September.
Canelo probably never took more damage in a fight.
Canelo landed more powershots.
Canelo landed the heavier, cleaner shots too.
I think he came thru it just fine.
I'm guessing the 3 are Trout, Lara, and last night.
The only gift I ever saw him get was against Trout and even that one you could argue was his as he did send Austin to the canvas.
I think the Lara fight (which is another fight some thought he lost) only proved how good Floyd was.
Last night Canel did fight in spurts and usually that is a recipe for a loss.
But, the only think that really work all night for Golovkin was his jab, and even that was sometimey.
That's why the flurries scored at such a premium...Triple G didn't do much with his aggression. It was not "effective" at anything more than ensuring career low connect percentages for Gennady.
Canelo probably never took more damage in a fight.
Canelo has always the same problem.
He sht his pants in big events can't swim in deep waters.
He's 3 losses in my book.
I'm guessing the 3 are Trout, Lara, and last night.
The only gift I ever saw him get was against Trout and even that one you could argue was his as he did send Austin to the canvas.
I think the Lara fight (which is another fight some thought he lost) only proved how good Floyd was.
Last night Canel did fight in spurts and usually that is a recipe for a loss.
But, the only think that really work all night for Golovkin was his jab, and even that was sometimey.
That's why the flurries scored at such a premium...Triple G didn't do much with his aggression. It was not "effective" at anything more than ensuring career low connect percentages for Gennady.
Agree with virtually everything you are saying except you don't need to see a rematch or you need to see it in January. I think there is a ton of stuff left undiscovered here due to the draw. And the big boxing months are May & September. And this is a big rematch that'll take place in May or September & I don't see why they'd do it any differently for a rematch.
Eff, the real kingpin MW rematch is DJ VS GGG in the fckin madison big apple square garden.
I had GGG winning vs DJ because of a flash KD (most likely the most reasonnable score) and GGG winning 116-112 vs Nelo (probably the most reasonnable card too), so you know who deserves more to see the Kazakh good boy one more time.
Even Charlo vs GGG is a fresher intriguing fight.
Canelo can't swim in deep waters IMO, he gasses and rarely fights back, kinda quit when he thinks he's losing (remember the FMJ fight) and Reynoso has to put him back in the fight.
He will do the same next.
When he says "make it in January or not at all", that sounds like a guy worried about the shelf life of one of his favorite fighters.
Everyone knows a rematch will be May or September, and he is right to worry that Golovkin will be that much older.
I thought Canelo won last night and he'll only do better in a rematch- and that won't matter if they fight next year or next week.
Canelo is one of the most ring savvy fighters I have ever seen.
He learns from every fight.
And he will have new stuff for the next one no matter who he fights.
Canelo has always the same problem.
He sht his pants in big events can't swim in deep waters.
He's 3 losses in my book.
Agree with virtually everything you are saying except you don't need to see a rematch or you need to see it in January. I think there is a ton of stuff left undiscovered here due to the draw. And the big boxing months are May & September. And this is a big rematch that'll take place in May or September & I don't see why they'd do it any differently for a rematch.
When he says "make it in January or not at all", that sounds like a guy worried about the shelf life of one of his favorite fighters.
Everyone knows a rematch will be May or September, and he is right to worry that Golovkin will be that much older.
I thought Canelo won last night and he'll only do better in a rematch- and that won't matter if they fight next year or next week.
Canelo is one of the most ring savvy fighters I have ever seen.
He learns from every fight.
And he will have new stuff for the next one no matter who he fights.