Boxing has ignored this disturbing trend for several years. Now that it impacted a fighter that many people love there is finally outrage. Every big Canelo fight has one "Nelo" judge that has an outrageous scorecard.
Austin Trout: Stanley Christodulu had it 118-109 Canelo
Floyd Mayweather: CJ Ross had it 114-114 draw
Erislandy Lara: Levi Martinez has it 117-111 Canelo
Miguel Cotto: Dave Moretti had it 119-109 Canelo
Amir Khan: Glen Trowbridge had it 49-46 Canelo at the time of the stoppage
Gennady Golovkin: Adelaide Byrd had it 118-110 for Canelo
How more obvious can it get? So much outrage over Byrd's scorecard but this is a concerning trend in Canelo fights that has been going on for years.
Firing Byrd solves nothing. She will just be replaced with the next "Nelo Judge"
Breaking down the rounds by judge majority:
Rd 1. Canelo 3x
Rd 2. Canelo 3x
Rd 3. GGG 2x
Rd 4. GGG 3x
Rd 5. GGG 2x
Rd 6. GGG 2x
Rd 7. GGG 2x
Rd 8. GGG 2x
Rd 9. GGG 2x
Rd 10. Canelo 3x
Rd 11. Canelo 3x
Rd 12. Canelo 3x
That's a smart method of totting up the scores. Is there any reason why it couldn't be implemented officially? Seems like a good way to eliminate outlier scorecards like Byrd's
100%. Whenever I see the cards for a fight I usually try to think of how they got to that conclusion, even if I ultimately disagree with their scorecard, & can typically get there or within a round of there when considering close swing rounds, but idk how you watch this fight & only give GGG 2 rounds. I thought Canelo straight gaveaway a couple of those middle rounds with long periods of inactivity so she had to have only gave GGG 2 of those middle giveaway rounds & nothing else.
Anyone got the rbr scoring btw? NM I found it. Looks like she gave GGG the 4th & 7th.
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That's been my new mentality for the past couple of years. I don't score an absolute card but rather a range of reasonable scores.
In this fight, I think that range is 116-112 GGG to 115-113 for Canelo. So a draw is not out of possibility.
But 118-110 is a travesty
When you look at the scores of some of these fights it seems
1 judge scores every close round to fighter A
1 judge scores every close round to fighter B
1 judge scores it honestly
That's why you often see crazy split decisions and majority decisions
I can't prove that they do that but it's something I've always wondered
Don't know that it's intentional but judges generally lean a certain way, and favour one approach over another.
The problem is it's too subjective a sport for close fights. Not sure how you saw this one but I thought it was close, and could've gone either way. I preferred what Canelo was doing in more rounds, but I'm objective enough to see the other side.
All that being said, Byrd's card was bullshit, and I can't see a logical way of arriving there.
When you look at the scores of some of these fights it seems
1 judge scores every close round to fighter A
1 judge scores every close round to fighter B
1 judge scores it honestly
That's why you often see crazy split decisions and majority decisions
I can't prove that they do that but it's something I've always wondered
Great thread, highlighting the persistent corruption now in place to ensure the cash cow can remain milking
And i also agree with the last 2 sentences, these geriatric judges need to **** off. We need nee, young, fresh eyes on the sport not some pension collecting 80 year olds
I've been thinking about it, and I'm starting to question the concept of a bought judge, at least in situations like this. Why go out of your way to have a wide card in a fighter's favour when a close one serves the same purpose? That's certainly what I'd expect a paid off judge to do.
Hanlon's razor springs to kind.
When you look at the scores of some of these fights it seems
1 judge scores every close round to fighter A
1 judge scores every close round to fighter B
1 judge scores it honestly
That's why you often see crazy split decisions and majority decisions
I can't prove that they do that but it's something I've always wondered
I've been thinking about it, and I'm starting to question the concept of a bought judge, at least in situations like this. Why go out of your way to have a wide card in a fighter's favour when a close one serves the same purpose? That's certainly what I'd expect a paid off judge to do.
Hanlon's razor springs to kind.
Because the judges they buy are the ones that are the most idiotic. Think that giving the fight to their fighter harder gives a bigger paycheck.
At this point I swear it'd be better if we went back to having newspaper decisions. The press row score averaged out is always a better representation than the three official scorecards
Then the press row will be paid off. And there's thousands of fights the press doesn't even cover.
I've been thinking about it, and I'm starting to question the concept of a bought judge, at least in situations like this. Why go out of your way to have a wide card in a fighter's favour when a close one serves the same purpose? That's certainly what I'd expect a paid off judge to do.
Hanlon's razor springs to kind.
At this point I swear it'd be better if we went back to having newspaper decisions. The press row score averaged out is always a better representation than the three official scorecards
Dela Hoya and the athletic commission didn't seem that concerned about that judge when constantly questioned. Everybody know what happened and this isnt the first time this has happened.