Women judges. CJ Ross, Waleska Roldan, Adelaide Byrd, Lisa Giampa
Horrible cards.
CJ Ross for Pac Bradley 1 and scoring Floyd-Canelo a draw.
Waleska scoring 117-111 for Horn
Byrd with 1118-110 for Canelo.
Lisa Giampa..scoring Lomachenko-Russell fight a draw.
Absurd. Women judges can't be trusted. They can't be fully logical. They will go sometimes with who they subconsciously would like to f#^k. OR who they prefer
There I said it
well no sh1t women have the poorest judgement. Highly intelligent creatures with advanced development and critical thinking but they lack very basic common sense.
I don't think they are bought.. just incompetence... there is subconscious bias getting in the way. The women may be subconsciously attracted to a particular boxer and that affects how they perceive the fight.
Like I said, when women judges are off..they seem to be WAY Off.
Ha ha ha. Well I'm not actually able to make any direct accusations and I certainly ain't got any proof. but your reaction is certainly in line with my hypothesis that men are more likely to blame female scoring on incompetemce.:D
I'm sticking to my guns I think. I'm not saying women are more corruptible than men (in my cynical world there's a lever or a price for almost everyone - greed and fear don't distinguish much between the genders) or less competent, but I still say a smart person who wanted to fix a fight would be wisest to target a female judge - or make sure they have one in place who they know will do what they're 'supposed' to.
Terrible Thread. Men are responsible for 99.999999% of all crappy decisions in boxing.
Not that terrible.
Most judges are male. Of course male judges will have more bad scorecards in absolute numbers.
But you need to look at the percentage of bad scorecards. While I don't have real numbers on hand, the amount of times women produced so many bad scorecards is rather high, considering there are only a small number of female judges working.
My point is that if you're gonna buy a judge it's better to buy a female one cos male fans are more likely to blame the result on 'female incompetence' than corruption. That's how I'd do it anyways and I don't think I've got a particularly slippery mind.
I don't think they are bought.. just incompetence... there is subconscious bias getting in the way. The women may be subconsciously attracted to a particular boxer and that affects how they perceive the fight.
Like I said, when women judges are off..they seem to be WAY Off.
You forgot Lisa Giampa: Scored Lomachenko vs Russell Jr a draw
How she got her crony job: Wife of Chuck Giampa
You're right about Giampa. Damnnn.. another example. Thanks.
There's no point of blaming women when male judges have been making terrible scores for the last 50 years
Byrd was the only one that scored this vs Abril right. What about the guys from Lara vs Williams that got suspended and the hundreds of other robberies that have taken place
Women judges. CJ Ross, Waleska Roldan, Adalaide Byrd.
Horrible cards.
CJ Ross for Pac Bradley 1 and scoring Floyd-Canelo a draw.
Waleska scoring 117-111 for Horn
Byrd with 1118-110 for Canelo.
Absurd. Women judges can't be trusted. They can't be fully logical. They will go sometimes with who they subconsciously would like to f#^k. OR who they prefer
There I said it
I completely agree, Byrd needs to be fired after pulling a stunt like this. Both fighters performed amazingly and I had extreme enjoyment and anticipation watching this fight. I had Golovkin winning by a decent; but not exaggerated margin (I gave round 1 and rounds 4-10 to GGG, round 11 could go either way for me). I can excuse the judge who scored it 114-114, that's not unreasonable, I agree with the 115-113 for GGG, but 118-110 EITHER WAY is absolute nonsense, even if it had gone towards GGG (Who I was rooting for) I would have called BS. This was an amazing fight that was completely overshadowed and marred by an incompetent idiot that somehow still has her job. Under different circumstances (AKA, a reasonable scorecard that favored Canelo, not this 118-110 BS), I would have been okay with a draw, a little miffed, but again it WAS a very close fight and a draw isn't unreasonable. But to say it was a draw because of a 118-110 card is nonsense.
I know what you are saying. And I believe in equality and being prejudiced is not good.
But there are very few women judges in the sport; now a pattern is starting to develop.
Yes, Byrd and Lederman have produced decent scorecards in the past ... But still better way to put it.. when a women judge is OFF , they tend to be way off.
My point is that if you're gonna buy a judge it's better to buy a female one cos male fans are more likely to blame the result on 'female incompetence' than corruption. That's how I'd do it anyways and I don't think I've got a particularly slippery mind.
My theory is somewhat more sophisticated and predicated on just the sort of prejudice your post illustrates. IMO women are just as capable and objective and can be just as honest (or corrupt) and unbiased (or not) as their male colleagues. However those seeking to influence the outcome of a major fight may prefer to use female judges to deliver the more absurd results exactly because male fans are more likely to blame it on female frivolity or lack of knowledge or objectivity than on corruption. Just my 2p.
I know what you are saying. And I believe in equality and being prejudiced is not good.
But there are very few women judges in the sport; now a pattern is starting to develop.
Yes, Byrd and Lederman have produced decent scorecards in the past ... But still better way to put it.. when a women judge is OFF , they tend to be way off.
Well, in the case of Byrd and Lederman at least they were clearly not hired for their credentials but because of their husbands. Boxing officialdom is just rife with cronyism and doesn't select for competence or integrity at all. At this point I'd be happy if every single referee and judge in the sport was given the sack and replaced with unaffiliated young blood. A clean slate
Women judges. CJ Ross, Waleska Roldan, Adalaide Byrd.
Horrible cards.
CJ Ross for Pac Bradley 1 and scoring Floyd-Canelo a draw.
Waleska scoring 117-111 for Horn
Byrd with 1118-110 for Canelo.
Absurd. Women judges can't be trusted. They can't be fully logical. They will go sometimes with who they subconsciously would like to f#^k. OR who they prefer
There I said it
My theory is somewhat more sophisticated and predicated on just the sort of prejudice your post illustrates. IMO women are just as capable and objective and can be just as honest (or corrupt) and unbiased (or not) as their male colleagues. However those seeking to influence the outcome of a major fight may prefer to use female judges to deliver the more absurd results exactly because male fans are more likely to blame it on female frivolity or lack of knowledge or objectivity than on corruption. Just my 2p.
As judging a boxing match is inheritely subjective to a high degree, women should stay miles away from judging boxing match. they see the world through emotions and lack of objecting reasoning and logical thinking.
I think it should be a more objective way to judge boxing match, even using technology if that help. The scoring system is too subjective and approximative.
Or we could go back to old school 25 rounds boxing where you have a knockout every time and you clearly have a winner.