Canelo won the fight

Just show me your scorecard instead of all that empty talk. Then we will take it from there. Sure I will! I'm just waiting for the punch count video to be uploaded and then I'll be more than happy to present my scorecard with the evidence included. For now, I guess you'll have to wait.

Instead of giving you scorecards without any substantiation of those cards, I'll present you an actual punch count video which actually substantiates and proves which boxer won which round by virtue of landing more effective punches. You will just have wait for awhile! After the video is made, I'll send it to you. Just show me your scorecard instead of all that empty talk. Then we will take it from there.

I'm not gonna count through the whole fight, so why don't you just tell me which rounds you think Golovkin won? Then we can focus on the rounds we disagree on so no time is wasted, straight to the point. Instead of giving you scorecards without any substantiation of those cards, I'll present you an actual punch count video which actually substantiates and proves which boxer won which round by virtue of landing more effective punches. You will just have wait for awhile! After the video is made, I'll send it to you.

As all of you know from my posting history, I have never liked Canelo. I still don't. He's a pampered ginger who have been fighting too small guys all along and who I think deserved to draw (or even lose) against Lara and Trout. I hoped Golovkin would embarass him, but honestly, I couldn't even justify the decision to the friends I was watching the match with. Canelo was toying with Golovkin, dancing around and uppercutting him at will. They were in completely different leagues regarding skills and all the uppercuts appeared to make Golovkin timid... TBH, Golovkin was exposed as being a guy who can give a punch and take a punch, but not adapt at all. Canelo had so many more dimensions to his game. Golovkin just plodded forward, ate uppercuts and missed with 80% of his punches... I was like "now something's gonna happen!" everytime Golovkin finally landed a clean punch, but his power neither seemed to scare nor hurt Canelo. In a rematch, I even think Canelo will stop Golovkin... What do you think? Ur a retard. No shame in that

I had it 7-5 Canelo.

That's not evidence as it's not objective and specific enough. If you can actually demonstrate to me SPECIFICALLY that Canelo Alvarez landed more effective punches than Golovkin in more rounds, then that would be proper evidence. I'm not gonna count through the whole fight, so why don't you just tell me which rounds you think Golovkin won? Then we can focus on the rounds we disagree on so no time is wasted, straight to the point.

I don't need to do something similar. I could merely link you to the fight, not edited, and then you could see for yourself. Come on, man, no way that those few occasional shots from Golovkin racked up to the constant flurry combinations and uppercuts from Canelo. That's not evidence as it's not objective and specific enough. If you can actually demonstrate to me SPECIFICALLY that Canelo Alvarez landed more effective punches than Golovkin in more rounds, then that would be proper evidence.

a punch count video will be made very soon which'll prove Golovkin was the one who landed more punches and it'll put this particular question / debate to bed. Can you do something similar to prove that Canelo Alvarez landed more punches? I don't need to do something similar. I could merely link you to the fight, not edited, and then you could see for yourself. Come on, man, no way that those few occasional shots from Golovkin racked up to the constant flurry combinations and uppercuts from Canelo.

It's a boxing forum, race means a lot. Not to me, but it does to the other fans. While I agree that race is always a factor in boxing and the people who deny this are cowardly and dishonest, you're still playing yourself here. It's ok that you think canelo won but trying to discredit all those who don't agree with you makes you the coward who's dishonest. The fight was very very close. I ageee with you that canelo is the more skilled fighter..........but I had 3G winning because canelo gave too many rounds away. The only rounds that he clearly won were the 9,10,11. THE first 3-4 rounds were close and could've went either way with 3G clearly winning the middle rounds. Canelo was the better fighter in the middle of the ring but he laid on the ropes too much and 3G was more consistent. If anybody got robbed it was 3G especially wth that ridiculous 118-110 scorecard. I'm fine wth the draw though. Canelo should have the advantage in the rematch seeing how he has such an age advantage and he's the more skilled.

If anything, the big stage got to GGG for the first few rounds but once he adapted to the emotion of the night he became his old self. He was tentative due to hype around Canelo and gave him way more respect than he should have. You watch, in the rematch Canelo gets manhandled.

u should become a comedian.

Canelo landed more punches. Golovkin missed more punches. Canelo did more damage. Golovkin did less damage. 1) How did you come to the conclusion that Canelo inflicted more damage on Golovkin than vice versa? 2) The last time I checked, Golovkin was the one who landed more overall punches. So I can't agree with that statement. So even if you disagree with the compubox stats, a punch count video will be made very soon which'll prove Golovkin was the one who landed more punches and it'll put this particular question / debate to bed. Can you do something similar to prove that Canelo Alvarez landed more punches?

Okay. So answer these questions then: 1) How did you come to the conclusion that he won more rounds? 2) How did you come to the conclusion that he landed better punches on Golovkin than vice versa? 3) Do you think Canelo Alvarez inflicted more damage on Golovkin than vice versa? You provided me with some of your personal conclusions in regards to the fight. However, you haven't provided the criteria you've used to come to those conclusions. Claiming 'Canelo Alvarez landed better punches' is a conclusion. You then have to justify HOW you came to that conclusion. That's what the criteria is. Canelo landed more punches. Golovkin missed more punches. Canelo did more damage. Golovkin did less damage.

You didn't accept my answer. I answered you what criteria I used to come to the conclusion that Canelo Alvarez won the fight. He won more rounds, landed better punches and Golovkin did nothing but chase him around while eating uppercuts and doing no damage on his own. Okay. So answer these questions then: 1) How did you come to the conclusion that he won more rounds? 2) How did you come to the conclusion that he landed better punches on Golovkin than vice versa? 3) Do you think Canelo Alvarez inflicted more damage on Golovkin than vice versa? You provided me with some of your personal conclusions in regards to the fight. However, you haven't provided the criteria you've used to come to those conclusions. Claiming 'Canelo Alvarez landed better punches' is a conclusion. You then have to justify HOW you came to that conclusion. That's what the criteria is.

Which rounds did you see Golovkin win? Why? Are you likely to change your opinion?

You haven't answered my question. I asked you, what criteria did you use to come to the conclusion that Canelo Alvarez won the fight? You didn't accept my answer. I answered you what criteria I used to come to the conclusion that Canelo Alvarez won the fight. He won more rounds, landed better punches and Golovkin did nothing but chase him around while eating uppercuts and doing no damage on his own.

This is irrelevant and unless compubox is willing to put timestamps with their punch numbers it's not really useful. Canelo simply beat his ass, but GGG is good at getting his ass beat. The irrelevant part is what you consider as boxing knowledge obviously, your obviously a dumb fuker

As far as I remember, Golovkin won 3-4 rounds. If someone could tell me which rounds they saw Golovkin win, then we could take a closer look at their claims. Canelo dominated the beginning of the fight, some of the middle and re-established dominance at the end. I really didn't see Golovkin win ANY more then 3-4 rounds at most. In his better rounds, his head was often used as a punching bag and I don't score a fight by who is chashing who the most, I score a fight by who lands a higher quality and quantity of punches. Canelo was landing uppercuts at will and Golovkin looked disheartened between rounds while Canelo looked determined and confident. Just compare their faces. Golovkin did no damage and on a ginger, any done damage would be visible as the sun. You haven't answered my question. I asked you, what criteria did you use to come to the conclusion that Canelo Alvarez won the fight?

What criteria did you use to come to the conclusion that Canelo Alvarez beat Golovkin? As far as I remember, Golovkin won 3-4 rounds. If someone could tell me which rounds they saw Golovkin win, then we could take a closer look at their claims. Canelo dominated the beginning of the fight, some of the middle and re-established dominance at the end. I really didn't see Golovkin win ANY more then 3-4 rounds at most. In his better rounds, his head was often used as a punching bag and I don't score a fight by who is chashing who the most, I score a fight by who lands a higher quality and quantity of punches. Canelo was landing uppercuts at will and Golovkin looked disheartened between rounds while Canelo looked determined and confident. Just compare their faces. Golovkin did no damage and on a ginger, any done damage would be visible as the sun.

Do yourself a favour and watch badminton. Let's make the list. Post other media scores you know of. Link to CompuBox (scroll down): This content is protected Mookie Alexander (Bloody Elbow) --------> 117-111 GGG Brian Campbell (CBS) ---------------------> 117-111 GGG Jack Rathborn (Mirror UK) ----------------> 117-111 GGG Harold Lederman (HBO) ------------------> 116-112 GGG Bryan Graham (Guardian UK) ------------> 116-112 GGG Dan Rafael (ESPN) ------------------------> 116-112 GGG Bob Velin (USA Today) --------------------> 116-112 GGG Kevin McRae (Bleacher Report) -----------> 116-112 GGG Shaun Al-Shatti (MMA Fighting) ----------> 116-112 GGG Ryan Frederick (Wrestling Observer) ----> 116-112 GGG Patrick Stumberg (MMA Mania) ----------> 116-112 GGG Kevin Mitchell (Guardian UK) ------------> 116-113 GGG Jordan Breen (Sherdog) ------------------> 115-112 GGG Kevin Iole (Yahoo) ------------------------> 115-113 GGG Will Esco (Bad Left Hook) -----------------> 115-113 GGG Phil Murphy (ESPN) -----------------------> 115-113 GGG Mike Harris (SI) ---------------------------> 115-113 GGG Paul Fontaine (Wrestling Observer) ------> 115-113 GGG MMA Brazil ---------------------------------> 115-113 GGG Sean Sheehan (Severe MMA) -------------> 115-113 GGG Rob Tatum (Combat Press) ----------------> 115-113 GGG Patrick Wyman (Bleacher Report) ---------> 115-113 GGG Lennox Lewis ------------------------------> Golovkin Teddy Atlas --------------------------------> Golovkin Enzo Macarenelli ---------------------------> Golovkin James Brady (SB Nation) ------------------> Golovkin Steven Muehlhausen (Sporting News) ----> 114-114 Draw Gilbert Manzano (Denver Post) -----------> 114-114 Draw Boxing Clever (Seen) ---------------------> 114-114 Draw Associated Press --------------------------> 114-114 Draw Lance Pugmire (LA Times) ----------------> 114-114 Draw Chris Mannix (Yahoo) ---------------------> 114-114 Draw De La Hoya --------------------------------> 115-113 Canelo Gareth Davies (UK Telegraph) -----------> 116-112 Canelo CompuBox ------> GGG landed about 50 more punches in the fight CompuBox ------> GGG landed more punches in 10 of the 12 rounds CompuBox ------> Canelo landed more power shots in 7 of the 12 rounds This (CompuBox) confirms my scorecard of 8-4/9-3 for GGG in the bout. This is irrelevant and unless compubox is willing to put timestamps with their punch numbers it's not really useful. Canelo simply beat his ass, but GGG is good at getting his ass beat.