Proof GGG did not duck Ward thread

What I should have said is, he would have taken the fight...wanting it is up for debate because it never even got off the ground. yeah maybe who knows. we know who he tried to fight in 2012-13 so im not sure why people ignore that. thats a least part of the story but alas ignored. we know he got kicked off hbo and was wallowing on BET in 2015. when was this ggg-ward fight supposed to happen? wards last fight at 168 was in 2013 and he officially announced he was moving up to 175 in late 2015 after the laughable offer to ggg. that was the one chance the fight had to be made? it had to be on wards time table or not at all? what kind of pull did he think he had? he was on BET. what leverage did he think he had? is he that deluded?

now we are getting into the opinion realm but if ward wanted teh fight did he really expect ggg to postpone the cotto-canelo winner fight? he had to know that it was being planned. i mean that was the biggest fight in boxing. articles everywhere. its just so nonsensical to think that. and by his own words he said he didnt know ggg had signed to fight lemiuex which means he thought ggg was available for 2015 since the cotto canelo fight had already been made...yet he didnt offer to fight him in 2015. he said he needed more tune ups? like this is the guy they are defending? :banghead: What I should have said is, he would have taken the fight...wanting it is up for debate because it never even got off the ground.

There's so much LOL in this post. If you were anybody other than the troll, I would actually write pages to show you how wrong you are. But since I know how much of a troll you are, the best I can do for you is copy and paste G's resume and odds history: Golovkin's odds Ouma - 14 to 1 Simon - 25 to 1 Proksa - 4 to 1 Rosado - 34 to 1 Ishida - 50 to 1 Macklin - 12 to 1 Stevens - 15 to 1 Adama - 9 to 1 Geale - 7 to 1 Rubio 20 to 1 Murray - 20 to 1 Monroe Jr - 25 to 1 Lemieux - 13 to 1 Wade - 70 to 1 Brook - 7.5 to 1 Jacobs - 4.8 to 1 Canelo - 1.8 to 1 Vanes - 25 to 1 Canelo - 1.9 to 1 Derv - 4.5 to 1 Szeemeta - 42 to 1 - Bouts in which he was the underdog – 0 - Bouts in which he was a favorite by 5 to 1 or less – 5 - Bouts in which he was a favorite by 20 to 1 or more - 8 Golovkin's resume Golovkin - Proksa - #4 - Rosado - unranked - Stevens - unranked - Geale - #3 - Osumanu - unranked - Rubio - #8 - Murray - #6 - Monroe - unranked - Lemieux - #4 - Wade - unranked - Brook - unranked MW - Jacobs - #2 - Vanes - unranked - Rolls - unranked - Derv - #7 Golovkin covered 1 weight class and beat 4 top 5 opponents. Let's compare the two: Canelo = 4 weight classes while beating 6 top 5 opponents at 29 years old. Golovkin = 1 weight class while beating 4 top 5 opponents at 38 years old. So, statistics tells us that Golovkin at 38 years old has covered less weight classes (1), while beating less top 5 opponents over the course of his 14 year career (4). Do whatever type of mental gymnastics you need to do with these facts to make you sleep better. Troll away so because you cant debate you are changing the topic? was this a canelo vs ggg comparison thread? where did that come from? :banghead: also some of your rankings are off. i know stevens was top 10 since i've done this before so check your stats. dervy was also #3 in the tbrb rankings but im assuming you are using ring only, yet you didnt use stevens so you are all over the place

Not saying ward didn’t want the fight, but ggg’s name was out there at the time...ward was definitely trying to piggy back off that. For a guy who doesn’t like to talk about situations and other fighters, he was sure talking about ggg a lot. now we are getting into the opinion realm but if ward wanted teh fight did he really expect ggg to postpone the cotto-canelo winner fight? he had to know that it was being planned. i mean that was the biggest fight in boxing. articles everywhere. its just so nonsensical to think that. and by his own words he said he didnt know ggg had signed to fight lemiuex which means he thought ggg was available for 2015 since the cotto canelo fight had already been made...yet he didnt offer to fight him in 2015. he said he needed more tune ups? like this is the guy they are defending? :banghead:

they just have extreme tunnel vision. ward was clearly ducking and dodging during that time period. he turned down the #1 168 pounder in bute and the #1 160 pounder in ggg. who did he try to fight isntead? unranked pavlik and unranked dmitri sartison. ive literally seen the same people say yeah but bute should have earned it! thats their defense. simply repeating wards verbiage. how does that fly? he was #1. they were on the same network. biggest payday of his career. if he sucks then take him out. easy money no? also i think people are forgetting context. in 2015 ward was fighting on BET. this was not a big fight at all. certainly not one worthy of postponing canelo for a year. if ward wanted the fight so bad just offer him the fight, why this whole rube goldberg scenario with multiple fights and delaying other fights. Not saying ward didn’t want the fight, but ggg’s name was out there at the time...ward was definitely trying to piggy back off that. For a guy who doesn’t like to talk about situations and other fighters, he was sure talking about ggg a lot.

It’s interesting that those who aren’t willing to entertain ggg’s “excuses” for “ducking” ward in that scenario, are quick to make excuses for why ward turned the fight down when hbo tried to make it happen. they just have extreme tunnel vision. ward was clearly ducking and dodging during that time period. he turned down the #1 168 pounder in bute and the #1 160 pounder in ggg. who did he try to fight isntead? unranked pavlik and unranked dmitri sartison. ive literally seen the same people say yeah but bute should have earned it! thats their defense. simply repeating wards verbiage. how does that fly? he was #1. they were on the same network. biggest payday of his career. if he sucks then take him out. easy money no? also i think people are forgetting context. in 2015 ward was fighting on BET. this was not a big fight at all. certainly not one worthy of postponing canelo for a year. if ward wanted the fight so bad just offer him the fight, why this whole rube goldberg scenario with multiple fights and delaying other fights.

It’s interesting that those who aren’t willing to entertain ggg’s “excuses” for “ducking” ward in that scenario, are quick to make excuses for why ward turned the fight down when hbo tried to make it happen.

Dude, don't blame forum members for what HBO's OWN marketing tactics did in the post fight interview when GGG beat Proksa. Kellerman asked him would face a guy like Ward. GGG said ''why not..I'll fight anyone.'' Abel said he could even go up to 175. Be honest, Daggum, it's not about GGG for you. You just don't like Andre Ward. Ok.. we get it. At this point GGG was a no hoper. Look at the current P4P list. Look how many multiple weight champions there are. stop it. and yet GGG is still at 160 draining... ffs so anyone who is a multiple weight champ is automatically an elite fighter? broner? come on. maliganaggi must be better than ggg too right? so if ggg beat rocky fielding at 168 he's suddenly a p4p great? moving up in weight can be great but it can also be cherry picking or simply done becaue you are fat and cant make weight. context is key

Sulaiman also ordered GGG to face Charlo. Instead he's facing some dude who he'll be a 42 to 1 favorite against. Just like he didn't mind honoring his "mandatory" when it came to 70 to 1 underdog Dominic Wade I see you only listen to Sulaiman when you're trolling or when it's convenient. its like you dont even follow boxing there is so much fandom there. wbc never ordered ggg to fight charlo when ggg was champ. they only ordered them to fight after the second canelo fight for a shot at canelo. those are two completely different scenarios. in one scenario a champ is mandated to fight his mandatory challenger meaning he cannot fight anyone else(unless agreed upon between parties) in the other scenario ggg is free to fight anyone in boxing or any belt holder etc.... how are you comparing the two at all? ggg chose to go after the ibf instead of the wbc. there was no punishment or loss of anything for not fighting charlo. in fact the wbc even said that ggg didnt have to fight that charlo fight to get the canelo fight look! "Gennady Golovkin’s team could potentially try to leapfrog this arrangement and bypass the WBC to make a direct deal for the Canelo Alvarez trilogy fight to happen next. While this clearly would not be to Jermall Charlo’s liking, the governing body would probably approve this scenario, according to their president. “That would go to the WBC board of governors if there’s a request for a Canelo vs Golovkin fight we would do a vote,” Mauricio Sulaiman stated. “My personal opinion from experience is that we would accept for that fight to take place.” so is it any surprise that ggg who had already been mandatory to canelo didnt go that route? and remember ggg never got that title shot against canelo, canelo eventually just dropped the belt instead of fighting him. why would he do that exact same thing? especially when the wbc said they would approve the fight? so why is it a surprise he chose to fight other guys like dervychenko who was willing to fight on dazn and not charlo who rejected dazn? you do realize there are other things in play here right? everything was setup and in line for the ggg-canelo fight. same network, 2 big names, mandatory status forcing the fight. there was literally none of that when it comes to charlo-ggg and you are trying to compare the two? not to mention the fact that canelo still does exist. canelo still is the target for ggg. that hasnt changed. you could say well he should fight better opponents whil waiting for canelo which i would agree with but sholdnt charlo too? i mean ggg's fought 3-4 top 5 guys during his pursuit of canelo so its not all bums. charlo has fought 0 while pursuing ggg/canelo. also going back to the mandatory status. the only way canelo got out of the ggg fight was by negotiating on a fight by fight basis with ggg and paying him step aside money so they could take other fights. that never happened with ggg charlo. now that we know they were negotiating on a fight by fight basis you want ggg to preemptively give away 2 fights and fight ward instead? thats just not reasonable or logical in any way, especially against a guy that was literally fighting on BET. you are forgetting context here in a big way. ward was barely relevant if at all in 2015. please stop with the revisionist history. according to wards own team and words they thought ggg was open for the fall of 2015...yet they wanted to fight in 2016 instead. do they not follow boxing? do they not know that the wbc had been planning the fight at that same time period? yes in retrospect the fight didnt happen but no one could have known that so stop with your time machine logic. the fact is you just can't admit you were wrong. for example if andre ward said ggg i want to fight you in september of 2020 and ggg said nope got other plans. ggg is ducking according to you. but everyone in boxing knows dazn is setting up that third fight just like everyone back then knew ggg and the wbc were setting up that canelo-cotto fight for 2016. read what roc nation said and when they wanted to fight. even in your fantasy world where ggg is ducking charlo even though charlo refused dazn shouldn't charlo at least try to fight someone good while he is waiting? i mean ggg fought lemiuex, jacobs, and dervychenko. he could have just fought bums like charlo. so your hypocrisy is kinda off the charts isnt it? every fighter is worthy of criticism but to just make up fan fiction and expect people to do things that are clearly not reasonable? just pathetic

164lb catchweight = DUCK The Bumlovkin nut hugging crown just needs to come to terms with reality and get over it. Your hero wanted NO part of Andre Ward - and for good reason. Ward would have sent him back to 160 with a brutal KO LOSS on his ledger. yeah cept only problem is ward said he was unaware ggg had already signed to fight lemieux and yet instead of trying to fight him in 2015 when ggg was available he tried to fight him in 2016 when everyone in boxing publicly knew that was when the cotto-canelo winner was supposed to fight him. so what's going on there? why not just offer to fight him in 2015 since he thought ggg was available(his own words)

Ward only became a realistic possibility after GGG became mando to the WBC title, which meant - theoretically - a guaranteed Cotto or Canelo fight. the '164' offer came during this period and, if folk had bothered to listen to the explanation surrounding it, actually acknowledged that they were no longer really interested in Ward at all since better options had opened up at 160. I mean, you can't say it's 'proof', cos folk are allowed to define 'ducking' any way they please but if we gonna say fighters are 'ducking' when they attempt to fight the must lucrative opponent available at a given time it's gonna be a long ass list... :lol1: Feb 15 https://www.boxingscene.com/wbc-cotto-face-golovkin-his-voluntary--87887 May 15 https://www.boxingscene.com/sulaiman-cotto-canelo-winner-face-golovkin--91087 Jul 15 https://www.boxingscene.com/golovkins-promoter-wed-fight-ward-164-50-50-split--93258 And even then it was kinda made clear that they weren't particularly interested at that time... that they were actually focussed on MW and the WBC Crown, Froch also confirms that in speaking with Loeffler at the time of the Lemieux fight they no longer really seemed to have much interest in facing him either since they had the Canelo - Cotto mandate. IDK man, I'm actually racking my brains to think of an instance where a fighter has voluntarily moved up to take on a bigger, more highly regarded fighter for less money. :thinking:

Did he fight Canelo or Cotto at that time? Nope. If he fought Ward he would still be mandatory to Canelo after because that fight would have been 168. If he lost to Ward I guarantee his share of the purse against Canelo would have been a lot smaller. There are a lot of reasons a fight doesn't get made.

PHYSICALLY SPEAKING, if GGG had a hard time with Canelo or Jacobs, there's no way he could handle Andre Ward who is physically bigger than all of them. The fault is Team GGG for years saying 154-168 was easy. Let's just admit their marketing campaign was tacky. The guy never set foot at all at 168. ''Ward...too mash for me..not today. Andre is Andre and me is me.'' - GGG (ESnews for Geale prep fight, open workout) if not ''today'' in 2014 FFS when? You guys should lend your pair to GGG. GGG still ducking 168, Canelo doing that guy a favor for his network contractor just to give him another fight at 160 when the Mexican just fought at 175. lol. No Plant, No Benavidez, No Smith, No BJS. GGG is just hype. It's a shame Ward was ever a narrative. 164 doe... ok that was a stream of consciousness but when did ggg duck ward? it was laid out pretty clearly right above you. scroll up. ward never made a serious offer. now did ggg stop pursuing the ward fight in a serious manner? sure you could say that but those are two diferent things. you are quoting a guy who says me is me as some kind of proof? are you serious? the way the fan fiction has spread on here is that ward really wanted to fight ggg, made him a great offer, and ggg turned it down. that didnt happen.

Jubei disproved this too a few years back in detail. Ggg never ducked ward. i wanted to make a more concise post since most people on here seem to struggle with reading/comprehension. dates and a little bit of text so they could see how silly wards offer was.

May 15, 2015 Sulaiman: Cotto-Canelo Winner Must Face Golovkin July 4, 2015 Cotto-Canelo super fight being set for November late July, 2015 "the offer was very, very clear - that he(ggg) and Andre would both have one fight before they fought each other, and they would fight each other sometime in the first half of 2016. So obviously the fight with Lemieux would continue to move forward and the next fight would be Andre in 2016 -roc nation president you can stop with the whole ggg ducked ward thing now. its clear what happened. fan fiction goodbye! misc notes: i say late july because ggg-lemiuex was signed on july 25 and apparently the offer was made within a couple days of that point. possibly before but either way the point stands. everyone knew the schedule of events and yet he still made an offer that makes absolutely no sense and conflicts with ggg fighting the cotto canelo winner. case closed.

Loooool. Nice try.

What a load of bollocks many mandatory have fought other fights and haven't been stripped of their spot. Golovkin wasn't only a mandatory he was the interim champion. They would have had to strip Golovkin and they wouldn't have done that. :nono: They absolutely would have done that, and if you think otherwise then you are dumber than I already thought you were, (which is no easy task)

I keep seeing people say ggg ducked ward so im wondering if they are just trolling or are low information fans. Here I will prove that it couldnt have possibly been a duck. Just read these two statements and you will see the choice was easy. Michael Yormak of Roc Nation, representing Ward, responded by pointing out that GGG’s team turned the offer down “in 36 minutes.” They had not known the Lemieux fight had already been signed, he claimed, and countered that since the proposal stipulated that both fighters would have one interim bout before meeting in 2016, essentially it made no difference to the deal. wbc prez on cotto-canelo ""We can confirm that the winner must face our interim champion, Golovkin. It's a fight that has to happen, the winner can not face someone else." ggg fought in october of 2015 cotto-canelo in november 2015 Ok so meet ward in 2016 or the cotto-canelo winner in 2016...why would he choose ward? Maybe next time you will do a little research and instead of simply saying a guy ducked for turning down an offer you will look into the offer in order to see if it was realistic. preemptive response to trolls: yes we know the wbc lied and changed their minds but no one knew that at the time. This^^^^^ be why I like/love this fool.. Dagnabit u alright with me..

No my argument is he could have fought Ward and he'd still be the mandatory to Canelo. They don't strip mandatories for losing at a higher weight (like title holders). He could have had two big fights lined up back to back. When he knew Canelo wouldn't fight him why didn't he try to make the Ward fight? This is why novices should not post about details they know nothing about. Wards "offer" was one interim fight (Lemieux), and then they fight. I think we can all agree on that. Also, the WBC said the Cotto/Canelo winner MUST face Golovkin next. Im assuming we can also agree on that point as well? Had GGG accepted Wards "offer" here is EXACTLY what would have happened: 10 minutes after Cotto-Canelo was over, Oscar would have called Suiliaman and said "we are ready to commence negotiations with Golovkin, but unfortunately he is obligated to fight Ward next. Im afraid you will have to strip him and appoint a new mandatory challenger." There is NO WAY that Oscar would have let GGG keep his mando spot. And you really shouldnt talk about things you know nothing about.

By Dan Ambrose: In response to the interview WBA super middleweight champion Andre Ward did this week in saying that he was turned down by IBO/WBA middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin’s management for a fight, Tom Loeffler, the promoter for Golovkin, says the reason why they turned down the fight with the 32-year-old Ward is because it would have been a bad time to take the fight. Loeffler didn’t want to commit to a fight against Ward when he had a pay-per-view fight for Golovkin against IBF middleweight champion David Lemieux (34-2, 31 KOs). Loeffler thinks the money that Golovkin will make in his fight against Lemieux and the winner of the Miguel Cotto vs. Saul “Canelo” Alvarez fight would be more than the money they would have gotten for a fight against Ward. Loeffler says that Ward’s promoters at Roc Nation Sports wanted a 50-50 deal with Golovkin. Loeffler thinks it’s better for Golovkin to wait until he fights Lemieux and the Cotto-Canelo winner before commiting to a fight against Ward, because they could get a better than 50-50 split of the money. If Golovkin defeats Lemieux in their fight on HBO pay-per-view on October 17th, and if he beats Cotto or Canelo, he’d be in a position to get a bigger cut than 50-50 for a Ward fight. At the same time, if Golovkin-Lemieux brings in big PPV numbers, then it wouldn’t make sense for Loeffler and Golovkin to give Ward a 50-50 split of the revenue, because Ward isn’t a PPV fighter and he’s only fought once in the last two years. “It would’ve been a bad deal to take,” Loeffler said via the latimes.com. “If the pay-per-view for the Lemieux fight is what we think it should be, Gennady would deserve more than 50% against Ward, considering Ward has barely fought outside of California. So it’s unreasonable to ask us to commit to that right now.” Loeffler makes a lot of sense. It would be crazy for him to match Golovkin up against Ward right now until the smoke clears with Golovkin’s fights against Lemieux, the Cotto-Canelo winner, and against possibly WBO champion Andy Lee. If Lemieux could take those three fights and win them all, he’d be in a position to ask for a much better split of the revenue than 50-50 for a fight against Ward. You could make an argument that Golovkin could ask for a minimum of a 75-25 split for a fight against Ward if not 80-20. It would be similar to the split that Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez had for their last fight against each other in 2012. Pacquiao was the proven fighter with the PPV audience and this enabled him to get the lion’s share of the revenue. Marquez obviously pulled in a lot of fans, but he wasn’t able to ask for a 50-50 split because Pacquiao had already proven that he was the PPV attraction. “Little G’ turned down an official fight with us,” Ward said to Fighthub.com. “The reality is for all the talk … the proof is in the pudding. I have an email right now that shows we gave them what they want … 50/50 … and the man — the promoter –turned it down, said maybe 2017.” 2017 sounds like a good date for a Golovkin-Ward fight because by then, Golovkin will have cleaned out the middleweight division and will be ready to face the likes of Ward. By 2017, Golovkin will either have cleaned out the 160lb division, or at least have cleaned out the division in terms of fighters that are willing to face him. I don’t think Daniel Jacobs, Peter Quillin or Billy Joe Saunders will ever agree to fight Golovkin. But Andy Lee probably will. There’s only a small handful of fights for Golovkin at 160, and it’s unclear whether he’ll get those fights. The Cotto vs. Canelo winner could turn down the fight with Golovkin, and instead let the World Boxing Council strip them of the WBC 160lb title for failing to defend the belt against Golovkin, who is the WBC #1 mandatory challenger at this time. The worse thing that could happen to Golovkin is if the Cotto-Canelo and Lee-Saunders winners both decide they want nothing to do with fighting. It would be bad for Golovkin because he would be stuck fighting just the regular contenders in the middleweight division like Tureano Johnson. And that's JUST what he did...fought the bums. Her ducked Ward, all their is to it.