No one has carried that Aura of invincibility to age 40 the way Floyd has.
Ali(36) lost to Spinks
Robinson(32) Ralph Jones
SRL(35) Terry Norris
Joe Louis(36) lost to a LHW
Royjones(35) Tarvered
JCC(31) lFrankie Randall
Who in history is on Floyds level of perfection?
Some people hate to hear it, but out of all the undefeated fighters, none came close to Floyd's level of competition. Out of all the fighters who had Floyd's level of competition, none went undefeated. And zero fighters in history ever went their whole careers with only 2 close fights (which he gave immediate rematches to and schooled).
Those points are undisputed.
Facts only.
Lmao your great white hype failed get over it. 50-0
My great white hype? Who are you talking about? My favorite figher is Frankie Randall. Look him up, son.
that is ridiculous and you know it. it wasnt seen as a duck because he was the lineal champ, not because he was any good. the real duck came when floyd fought judah coming off a loss to a journeyman instead of marg who was ranked higher, would have netted him more money, and more ppv buys due to his mexican fanbase. baldomir was so terrible that the only guy he could fight and probably beat was gatti. if he took on any other contender he would have lost for sure so they gave him an easy fight so floyd could get 2 cherry picks(judah and baldomir) instead of one while saving baldomir for later.
Did Pacquaio duck Zahir Raheem when he fought Erik Morales after he got schooled by Zahir Raheem?
But wait you didn't know? He ducked guys like Amir Khan and Tim Bradley. Those guys were power punching killers and would've easily beat him. Not to mention Paul "Lost to Carlos Quintana" Williams. That dude would've won every round against Floyd. LOL. The sad part is that some of these trolls really genuinely believe this.[/QUOTE
To avoid those Huge paydays he must have been thinking about his health and safety.
Calling it the best ever and yet....0 prime HOF type boxers at their best. He needed a catch weight for Canelo. Floyd fans won't give Floyd the same standards like they did Pac for many years.
Brawler,
Leonard wasn't ducking Hagler at all. Hagler was champ at 160 lbs while Ray was champ at 147 lbs. They were at different weight for a long time. Ray fought once at 154 lbs & took the title from Kalule & that was in 81. Leonard was too small for that weight & relinguished that belt & kept his welter title. He fought Hagler in 88, in other words he had to grow into the weight of 160 lbs. And that takes time. That's like saying Floyd is ducking GGG, And I don't think he's ducking him, it's just that he is not a middleweight.
Good points here
Yea because waiting to fight Hagler at the end of his career is fighting the best lol
Hagler is my dude, and even I will admit that Sugar Ray, beat a fading, but still dominant version of Hagler. Albeit he had fought two wars with Hearns and Mugabi, Hagler stopped both those guys. Did Sugar wait Hagler out, absolutely, but it wasn't like Hagler had been ko'd or raked over the coals when they stepped in the ring. He gets my respect for outpointing him on the cards and keeping it a boxing match. I don't think Sugar would have beat the version of Hagler that Hearns and Duran saw, who was a little closer to prime.
Connor is the same height and reach as Lara. FMW fought Maidana for WBA/WBC 154 belts in a 2 yr span. People really think FMW could have come forward on Lara with his 50% power punch connection rate. FMW played a nice game and people foolishly purchased his PPVs vs made opponents. Invincible, I think not. That;s why I never purchased one of his fights.
Lmao your great white hype failed get over it. 50-0
Am a big Mayweather fan in the ring, I have read post from haters (Not critics) who come up with dumb shit, who can't judge him like anyone else etc
But your post right here am giving you a green K, you came up with a good comparism which does make sense. Even though i don't necessarily agree with it all the way.
The only reason i didn't agree with it all the way is Ray leonard was 35 when he fought norris, Mayweather was 36 when he fought Canelo at a higher weight.
But i can still see your point in regards to the bold.
Take the green k back Floyd was OLDER when he fought a more EXPERIENCED fighter with 40+ fights Terry Norris was inexperienced by today's standards and already had 3 losses. Canelo was bigger and had a way better KO % than Norris. That is no way equivalent, it's either the same or Floyd's is better. If Floyd don't get credit for beating a younger bigger fighter at a older age, then how tf does SRL get credit for losing. So yall give credit for losing and not winning?
Facing a young Terry Norris would be equivalent to facing 27-2 Jessie Vargas. He is no way comparable with Undefeated Errol Spence with nearly 90% KO percentage. No disrespect to Terry Norris he was a good fighter
That's not Floyd's fault though. That's Ray Leonard fault for not taking his career as serious as Floyd did. He spent years ducking Hagler
Floyd took 2yrs off twice and won easily.. lol Floyd is the only guy in boxing history who doesn't age. It's just sad to see ATG go out like Bhop Ray Leonard, Oscar and Tyson. It's a badge of honor for some fans to see their favorite fighter get there head bashed in smh. And spare me the lies SRL waited to the end of Hagler career to fight him.
Brawler,
Leonard wasn't ducking Hagler at all. Hagler was champ at 160 lbs while Ray was champ at 147 lbs. They were at different weight for a long time. Ray fought once at 154 lbs & took the title from Kalule & that was in 81. Leonard was too small for that weight & relinguished that belt & kept his welter title. He fought Hagler in 88, in other words he had to grow into the weight of 160 lbs. And that takes time. That's like saying Floyd is ducking GGG, And I don't think he's ducking him, it's just that he is not a middleweight.
Connor is the same height and reach as Lara. FMW fought Maidana for WBA/WBC 154 belts in a 2 yr span. People really think FMW could have come forward on Lara with his 50% power punch connection rate. FMW played a nice game and people foolishly purchased his PPVs vs made opponents. Invincible, I think not. That;s why I never purchased one of his fights.
Am a big Mayweather fan in the ring, I have read post from haters (Not critics) who come up with dumb shit, who can't judge him like anyone else etc
But your post right here am giving you a green K, you came up with a good comparism which does make sense. Even though i don't necessarily agree with it all the way.
The only reason i didn't agree with it all the way is Ray leonard was 35 when he fought norris, Mayweather was 36 when he fought Canelo at a higher weight.
But i can still see your point in regards to the bold.
Hey bro, Thanks for recognizing good ole boxing talk, no insulting, no bashing just straightup Boxing.
No disrespect, I know you wasn't around then. Leonard's should have retire after the Lalonde fight. When Camacho KO'd Leonard which was in 97, his last fight prior to that was 91! That's 6 YEARS INACTIVE!. That fight has not tarnished Ray since he was washed up already, everyone in the boxing world knows that. Heck they both were a shadow of what they once were. Leonard fought the best at their best.
That's not Floyd's fault though. That's Ray Leonard fault for not taking his career as serious as Floyd did. He spent years ducking Hagler
Floyd took 2yrs off twice and won easily.. lol Floyd is the only guy in boxing history who doesn't age. It's just sad to see ATG go out like Bhop Ray Leonard, Oscar and Tyson. It's a badge of honor for some fans to see their favorite fighter get there head bashed in smh. And spare me the lies SRL waited to the end of Hagler career to fight him.
Ray Leonard got beat down by 35 year old Hector Camacho in his last fight. I also had Hagler beating him.
No disrespect, I know you wasn't around then. Leonard's should have retire after the Lalonde fight. When Camacho KO'd Leonard which was in 97, his last fight prior to that was 91! That's 6 YEARS INACTIVE!. That fight has not tarnished Ray since he was washed up already, everyone in the boxing world knows that. Heck they both were a shadow of what they once were. Leonard fought the best at their best.
Im not denying the greatness of the lower divisions. But you cant talk about P4P in this context, this is real life. As humans get bigger, their ability to dish out punishment goes up quicker than their ability to take it. That why HW's and CW's are always sparking each other out.
The amount of punishment Ali took over his career isnt comparable to Floyd because of this fact, plus the insane level of competition around at during his era.
Floyd longevity is incredible, and a testament to his conditioning and his skillset, but trying to use Ali in his late 30's as a way to prop Floyd up is ridiculous considering the differences in their careers. I mean for long period in MAyweathers prime he was fighting once a year ffs. Go check out Ali's record and see how often he did the same.
I didn't mention Ali, I wouldn't compare Ali and Floyd there are too many differences, neither is greater than the other, they have their own greatness that stands on its own, both are great champions I don't like to compare fighters in that context, all great fighters have their own mojo, I see them all for what they were individually, be like saying who influenced music more Elvis or The Beatles , I don't think you can divide and rank greatness, the only way I compare different era fighters is by making them the same size and who I think would win, and Floyd like so many other greats is a very hard man to beat.
But yeah was just saying you cant compare the little guys and the HWs because the comp is so much greater technically in the little guys, what you get in the HWs is a place where power alone can take a guy a long way, where if that's all you got, it gets found out real quick in the lower weights, with HWs you can have like 50lbs weight advantage and it doesn't really matter because its a slow power game, a few pounds difference with top guys at the lower weights is crucial because it effects speed and power too much, a mere millisecond off in timing can get you caught and out at any moment.
Floyds had a great career, so has Ali both did their thing and share a part of history, it was a pleasure to have seen them box.
And just bare in mind that getting punched clean by Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Shavers etc is going to knock some years off.
Ali has the best chin of all time, how he took some of those shots only God knows.
Yeah its an insane resume, especially in terms of punchers.
I wonder Floyd would have aged if he had JCC, Tommy Hearns, Arguello, prime Pac, SRL and the likes on his resume. Powerful punchers, great offensive fighters, but also great boxers and brilliant at setting up that power.
Thats what Ali was dealing with when he was fighting guys like Frazier, Foreman and Liston. Not to comment on whether May would have lost those fights, but they would have taken it out of him physically by the end of his career win or lose
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