Why was Mayweather able to be so successful after he left Arum?

So is Haymon overpaying his fighters or underpaying them? Which is it? You haters need to get your agenda straight. How is it hating. I am only stating a fact. He failed to turn them into household names and they are all underachieving. They are only earning what they are worth. No more and no less.

And DLH never did that against anyone else before or after. Floyd did it 3 more times (2mill+ PPV's). One could say Chavez Sr made DLH famous, because Chavez Sr was a rock star in Mexico and the Latino-American community. This could be true, but Chavez Sr was not a big PPV star though. So how could a fighter make another fighter? Simple, it's as silly as Dame Dash saying he created Jay-Z, yet can't make another Jay-Z. Why not? Fighters don't make each other, fighters make themselves. Floyd made himself with the help of his uncle and his father. No one made Floyd sell the fight like he did, that was him talking and getting fans mad and he did it before vs Gatti and the fight sold quite well considering the fight was promoted by Floyd's trash talking and it was both their first main event PPV. DLH has 6 losses, Mosley, Hopkins, Trinidad being some of them. Last time I checked neither of these 3 were 1million+ PPV stars ever in their career after fighting DLH. Trinidad at best was a 500k PPV star with the best dance partners, Hopkins was a 400-500k PPV guy at his best with the best fighters he fought, Mosley aside from his May/Pac fights that sold 1million+ because of May/Pac, was a sub 400k guy at his very best vs Vargas and Cotto. Mosley vs Cotto sold something like 350-400k, and Cotto was a welterweight star at the time. I wonder whether there will ever be another boxer, that appears who will have as much POWER & CONTROL over his career as Floyd Mayweather did! (From a business perspective, it was probably one of the most impressive things he has achieved!).... I just think Floyd Mayweather came along at the right time (He was lucky in that sense), if he was fighting during his prime during the 90's? There would be no way, he would be able to compete with the Heavyweights! And i don't think he would of made as much money, or have been a box office star...

His fight up against Oscar De La Hoya, seemed to make him a star! (I always remember it being billed as the super bowl of boxing etc). And DLH never did that against anyone else before or after. Floyd did it 3 more times (2mill+ PPV's). One could say Chavez Sr made DLH famous, because Chavez Sr was a rock star in Mexico and the Latino-American community. This could be true, but Chavez Sr was not a big PPV star though. So how could a fighter make another fighter? Simple, it's as silly as Dame Dash saying he created Jay-Z, yet can't make another Jay-Z. Why not? Fighters don't make each other, fighters make themselves. Floyd made himself with the help of his uncle and his father. No one made Floyd sell the fight like he did, that was him talking and getting fans mad and he did it before vs Gatti and the fight sold quite well considering the fight was promoted by Floyd's trash talking and it was both their first main event PPV. DLH has 6 losses, Mosley, Hopkins, Trinidad being some of them. Last time I checked neither of these 3 were 1million+ PPV stars ever in their career after fighting DLH. Trinidad at best was a 500k PPV star with the best dance partners, Hopkins was a 400-500k PPV guy at his best with the best fighters he fought, Mosley aside from his May/Pac fights that sold 1million+ because of May/Pac, was a sub 400k guy at his very best vs Vargas and Cotto. Mosley vs Cotto sold something like 350-400k, and Cotto was a welterweight star at the time.

His fight up against Oscar De La Hoya, seemed to make him a star! (I always remember it being billed as the super bowl of boxing etc).

When Mayweather called out DLH in 2005 and 2006, DLH said no because he doesn't do business with Arum and if Floyd leaves Arum he would fight him. Notice, no one called DLH a ducker for that. Mayweather did the same thing to Cotto and Pacquiao. The Pac fight finally happened in the end because everyone noticed Pac is too stupid to leave Arum. Mosley, because of being with GBP, also wouldn't fight Floyd as long as he was in TR, and, he had a toothache. Cotto - This was all Arum's doing, Arum was keeping Cotto away from Floyd when Floyd asked for him while under TR. Margarito - When Floyd was trying to leave TR after the Judah fight, Arum started to push Margarito onto Floyd for $8 million. Mayweather wanted Cotto and Hatton, who Arum was offering only $7 million for. Floyd asked for him for $10 million for Cotto/Hatton. Mayweather wanted $20 million for Oscar, Arum said he's not working with Oscar. The reason Mayweather opted for the buyout rather than waiting for the May 6 (DLH-Mayorga) result was because the contract had a limited window for the buyout, one that expired before the De La Hoya fight. However, Arum said he would have extended the window if Mayweather had asked. What Arum wouldn't do, he said, was raise the guarantees for other fights outlined in the contract. Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million. Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in. "That's not in the cards," Arum said. "He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It's not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. We'll talk about things down the road." http://www.espn.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2420382 Arum was not at all interested in making Mayweather-DLH. Here we see a prime example of Arum blocking big money fights for his fighters. Arum's "$20mill isn't there" for DLH was false, Mayweather ended up making $25 million.

Meanwhile the rest of Haymon's harem are fighting for short money. Thurman, Garcia, Porter, Stevenson, Wilder still haven't earned more than $2M for a title fight. Their stock is dropping and legacies are tarnished. So is Haymon overpaying his fighters or underpaying them? Which is it? You haters need to get your agenda straight.

Why didnt Mosley or Hopkins become huge stars? Cause Mosley was a nice respectful guy and Hopkins style was super boring. Fawking Larry you want to make it seem like Floyd did all this on his own and he didn't! He had massive help! From arum starting his career out to Oscar agreeing to fight him and give him the chance at a mega fight to uncle al. But in ball washer larrys head floyd did it alone with no help from anyone and Oscar had nothing to do with it. Manny PAC became the second biggest attraction AFTER fighting Oscar Open your eyes man

Dude Larry had Oscar never given him the chance he would have never made the amount of money he has made. Fighting Oscar made him a superstar. How hard is that to see. If you think that Floyd would have eventually made the same without fighting the "golden boy" then you are delusional. The Oscar fight put Floyd on a huge platform and he played the villain role perfectly! Why didnt Mosley or Hopkins become huge stars?

because he aint gona exploit his ass no more,,, i said this many times,,, if you wana luxious carear you gotta leave arum,,,,,, haymon takes care of skilled techniciens,.,,.,,. Dude at least try to speak english

why????????????? Dude Larry had Oscar never given him the chance he would have never made the amount of money he has made. Fighting Oscar made him a superstar. How hard is that to see. If you think that Floyd would have eventually made the same without fighting the "golden boy" then you are delusional. The Oscar fight put Floyd on a huge platform and he played the villain role perfectly!

He realized from watching wrestling that someone has to play the bad guy to pull in the casuals. PBF was exciting, in wars, and none of that got him the big paydays. Arum would not market him that way. Arum markets none of his fighters that way. GGG despite all his knock outs still cannot sell PPV on his own. No boxer has had no where near as many PPV fights in a row even selling good numbers with the likes of Madiana and Guerrero. Fighters that the casuals had no knowledge of. Also he knew that he was getting underpaid for the fights that Arum was offering him. To think that he could have fought cotto for just 8 million if he had listened to Arum is just silly. Arum learned from it. Look at what Mikey had to go through to get out of his contract. He wont let someone just buy themselves out ever again.

I think Arum while successful is a conventional boxing promoter. By leaving Arum, Team Mayweather was able to think outside the box in terms of promotion and executed a much more ambitious marketing plan.

Ah, OK, thanks for the clarification. By any chance do you work in the industry? Nope, I'm just obsessed with boxing and I read a lot. I don't watch any other sport unless its on sport center. While it is valid what you say about it taking time.. But you can't tell me arum didn't hold him back and wouldn't let him tangle with Shane, Oscar, cotto etc when Floyd was still with arum.. It's not like Floyd wasn't a champ and p4p by 1998.. arum was marinating him i guess Lmao. Was there ever "Marinating" memes? Yea Arum's media voodoo is impressive as f#ck you gotta admit love or hate the guy. He can "these aren't the droids you are looking for" jedi mindtrick the f#ck outta the media. Its honestly fascinating to watch. I think most fans thought this at the time doe so its not like Arum was the only guy believing Floyd vs ODLH wasn't THAT interesting. And I'm not sure anyone expected it to be the biggest PPV of all time. I'm a long time Floyd fan & hell I even thought he was nuts when he was calling out ODLH & SSM when he was at 135 & they were tip top 147lbers & they rightfully paid no attention to him. Maybe... Pay for ..... favor for favor. Perhaps. Lol. It seems there's always a rumor about a fight deal leaking. There's less than 10 promoters that matter. Are these journalist, fielding calls left and right? He's letting the actual deal announcement marinate. Arum is out of touch with what fans want. But he owns the boxing media so they will never call him out. He didn't see money in a Floyd/De La Hoya fight? This guy is ****ing delusional. He's clueless. I think he knows. He's just going to determine what and when they get it by when it makes good business sense for him. Building(or manufacturing) a fighter and portentislly having him get shredded because the fans are clamouring for it doesn't make business sense without a plan in place. you think floyd is intelligent? floyds one of the dumber americans ive ever seen. im not sure hes even as smart as trump. You do realize that there are different types of intelligence. Yes? Such binary thinking. Great marketing, great lineup of big name opponents, and most importantly he always won The always winning part might not have been great for boxing. Now every lesser fighter has to be undefeated to get attention. That why the media played a terrible role by bashing Mayweather. They made undefeated look like an accomplishment that any fighter could achieve with matchmaking, instead of saying Floyds special and setting realistic standards for fighters. Everyone's undefeated until they aren't. Speaking of... Victor Postol comes back on the 16th lol

you think floyd is intelligent? floyds one of the dumber americans ive ever seen. im not sure hes even as smart as trump. Floyd isn't one of my favorite fighters. I don't like his style and personality, but I give him credit where it's due. Trump inherited his fortune, but Floyd started from the bottom and worked his way up.

Which fight are u talking about?? Is it the Mayweather vs de la hoya fight. If its that fight, Oscar would have been in charge of everything, the way Floyd is now. Jesus, does arum really take 40%?? Talking about Floyd, and all those listed payouts the other poster put up. Yep, it's a crime. And the sad part is, that's not even as bad as the UFC.

I sure it matters how much he really co promoted the fight. There's putting your name on the apron and then there's having your staff involved Day to day. also, as a promoter he has to pay for the undercards fighter But you raised a good point. As a copromoter/promoter theoretically his share would go to his company. Not himself directly. See Ah, OK, thanks for the clarification. By any chance do you work in the industry?

you really think thats a fair comparison? it takes time and money to build up a fighter. floyd didnt reach ppv level until a year before he left arum. its easy to poach someone who is already super popular and go from there. haymon hasnt made any of his fighters a ppv star that he has built up. floyd would have had big fights no matter who he signed with at that point in his career. While it is valid what you say about it taking time.. But you can't tell me arum didn't hold him back and wouldn't let him tangle with Shane, Oscar, cotto etc when Floyd was still with arum.. It's not like Floyd wasn't a champ and p4p by 1998.. arum was marinating him i guess

Bcz he wuz racis didn't wanna a bruvva be suksess. Be woke, overseer-->officer, does that tell you anything? racist promoter, white man are. u are a pathetic poster and very tacky, not even funny

Arum is out of touch with what fans want. But he owns the boxing media so they will never call him out. He didn't see money in a Floyd/De La Hoya fight? This guy is ****ing delusional. He's clueless.

Simple answer he kept winning, that's all you got to do, keep winning and brag how good you are, you can be the greatest fight ever and be a wall flower and you will lament in the crowd, you gotta be real good and be loud, winning against all comers is key, the moment you lose one the ride to immortality stops.