The definitive guide to Arum ducking fighters
Arums fighters don't fight anybody dangerous but he gives them the reputation of dangerous in order to manuever himself into more money via public opinion. His fighter chase money fights but he derides people not under his banner for chasing money fights! Double talk. His stable was shoddy at best. He wants Ramirez vs Golovkin what about the other super middles?
Lets look at Arums matchmaking.
Arum fighters @ super feather weight via http://www.toprank.com/
(current Donaire left THIS YEAR 2017)
Nicholas Walters
Jason Sosa
Miguel Marriaga
Vasyl Lomachenko
joseph Adorno
Erick De Leon
NICHOLAS WALTERS LAST 4 fights
2016-11-26 Vasyl Lomachenko* Arum/Toprank
2015-12-19 Jason Sosa Arum/Toprank
2015-06-13 Miguel Marriaga Arum/Toprank
2014-10-18 Nonito Donaire* Arum/Toprank
Vasyl Lomachenko Last 4 fights
2017-08-05 Miguel Marriaga Arum/Toprank
2017-04-08 Jason Sosa Arum/Toprank
2016-11-26 Nicholas Walters Arum/Toprank
2016-06-11 Roman Martinez
Lets look at Pacquiaos run at WelterWeight
2017-07-02 Jeff Horn TOP RANK in US FIGHTS
2016-11-05 Jessie Vargas ARUM/TOPRANK
2016-04-09 Timothy Bradley Jr ARUM/TOPRANK
2015-05-02 Floyd Mayweather Jr
2014-11-23 Chris Algieri (top rank futures contract)
2014-04-12 Timothy Bradley Jr ARUM/TOPRANK
2013-11-24 Brandon Rios ARUM/TOPRANK
2012-12-08 Juan Manuel Marquez ARUM/TOPRANK
2012-06-09 Timothy Bradley Jr ARUM/TOPRANK
2011-11-12 Juan Manuel Marquez ARUM/TOPRANK
Marquez signed to Arum to Face Pacqaiou III, click here lol
2011-05-07 Shane Mosley
2010-11-13 Antonio Margarito ARUM/TOPRANK
2010-03-13 Joshua Clottey ARUM/TOPRANK
2009-11-14 Miguel Cotto ARUM/TOPRANK
hmmmm... i wonder why Khan vs Pac never happened... 4/12 fighters were not with top rank.. Where is the Pac vs Thurman, Brook, Spence Porter talk?????? The Khan pac rivalry didnt produce a fight because Khan is with Al Haymon... Pacs literally ran out of ARUM fighters to fight LOL
AMIR KHAN SAYS BOB ARUM TO BLAME FOR PACQUIAO FIGHT NOT HAPPENING; EXPLAINS IN DETAIL WHAT HAPPENED
Said fight was done.... Bob held it up...
3 different fighters.. same thing...... Do you notice a pattern here
Can Arum negotiate a fight where his fighter is not the A side???
Every non arum fighter is a cautious fighter...
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Addendum : Why don't the best fight the best ??
Arum is so unbiquitous with boxing that the hyperbole we hear is never even attributed him. The boxing scribes mimic his opinion and repeat them verbatim with out ever acknowledging the source.
Arum easily makes fights with other promoters anytime his fighter is clearly the A Side. Such as Terrence Crawford career. Terrence fought Molina semi-recently who is managed by Haymon. When negotiations are in his favor the fights get made expeditiously.
Arum has already started to criticize Thurman and Danny Garcia. In the video I posted in the an initial post.
As khan said in the other video I posted he thought the fight with Pacquiao was dons and Arum changed directions without notice. So we already know, now that Terrence is at 147 who he will be targeting- Khan, Garcia, Thurman. I think the Khan thing is important because it was an easy rivalry to sell. Khan ran his mouth too much about roach's gym and deserved that beating.
The Khan fight is a no brainer but if Haymon fighters --whom are used to getting paid well- don't want to get bullied at the negotiation table he will be calling them ducks. That's how his game works.
Arum is easily able to manipulate public opinion through his influence and slander to get things his way. When he can't get favorable terms we get fights like PAC Vs Rios, PAC vs Clottey, PAC vs Algeri, Loma vs Sosa, Loma Vs Marriaga. He's litterally making tomato cans look like viable opponents because everybody else is "scared or wants too much money." I think he's the one who wants too much money.
Garcia calls out Loma and instead of giving a reasonable explanation such as-- why would Loma move up now-- or Loma needs a few more fights to grow into weight. It's Mikey wants millions. Broner wants millions. But we all know where the Mikey's a duck slander started right?
Lomanchenko 750k vs Marriaga 50k 94/06 split
Lomachenko 1 mil vs Walters 300k 70/30 Link here
And these are all his fighters lol. imagine what he's trying to do to the competion. hmmm.. but what about this http://www.boxingscene.com/lomachenkos-manager-nicholas-walters-keeps-asking-more--102851
Hell, Roman got a better deal.
Lomanchenko 850k vs Martinez (reported)425-550k 60/40
To put this in perspective. Salido Vs Vargas 950k viewership. Loma vs Marriaga 720k viewership, Loma vs Sosa 900k viewership. Loma vs Walters 760k viewership. Lomanchenko vs Martinez 580k viewership
There's no doubt in mind that Pacquiao, Crawford, and Loma will fight anybody you put in front of them.
Arum always looking for futures on his fighters opponents. Arum matching his fighters against garbage while saying eveybods ducking continues.
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Pacquiao vs broner. (Two videos)
Arum wants broner for pac 05/17
Arum bashes everyfighter that doesnt belong to him. Look on youtube and you will find more than enough evidence. People only believe Arum when its conveinant.
Mikey beating broner means nothing 3 months later, lol
Mikey calls out Loma.. Arum says Mikey is not a draw
which is my earlier point verbatim....
Arums fighters don't fight anybody dangerous but he give them the reputation of dangerous in order to manuever himself into more money via public opinion. His fighter chase money fights but he derides people not under his banner for chasing money fights!
oh yea....
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In a recent interview, Top Rank's CEO, Bob Arum, stated that WBC lightweight champion Mikey Garcia (37-0, 30 KOs) is demanding "millions of dollars" for a fight with Vasyl Lomachenko (8-1, 6 KOs), who holds the WBO super featherweight title.
Garcia has no idea how Arum came up with that information, because he says the two of them have never discussed the financial terms, or any terms for that matter, for a Lomachenko fight.
"Bob Arum does not even know what we're asking for, because we've never sat down to discuss that issue. He always says that I ask for a lot of money, and that's why the fights have never been given to me, but that's something that can not be known - simply because he's never sat down and talked to me. We have never discussed that issue," Garcia said to ESPN Deportes.
http://www.boxingscene.com/mikey-garcia-reacts-arum-money-claim-on-lomachenko-bout--119162
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needle gate via Alex Ariza, Mannys former conditioning coach
and heres alex on mikeys contract dispute
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Heres how toprank does business....
The lawsuit alleges that Garcia’s contract “improperly provides Top Rank the ability to extend the agreement indefinitely, essentially rendering the contracting fighter an indentured servant of Top Rank.” The filing claims that the contract violates California law. It also claims that the promoter has also violated the United States’ Muhammad Ali Act for multiple reasons, including “by failing to make required disclosures to Garcia concerning, among other things, the amount of money it would make from each of Garcia’s bouts.”
According to Garcia, the contract with Top Rank is already expired - with two pending clauses remaining. One clause provides Top Rank with the ability, until the end of May, to match any competitor's offer. The other clause provides Top Rank with the promotional rights to Garcia's first five defenses .
Before you corporate cheerleaders start clamoring a clause is a clause.. Yes, but failing to disclose it, is serious shady business.
Toprank settled. Settlement is undisclosed. If they had a good counter suit and did things properly, do you think they would of relented it?
ARUM VS HAYMON since 2006
Without fanfare, which is a rarity in boxing, Floyd Mayweather Jr. filed a lawsuit against his former promoter, Bob Arum of Top Rank, in Clark County (Nev.) District Court two weeks ago.
Mayweather claims that Arum shortchanged him on matches against Arturo Gatti in 2005 and Zab Judah in 2006. In the lawsuit, Mayweather said he was due 85% of Top Rank's revenue from the Gatti fight and 80% from the Judah fight. He claims Arum has refused to turn over the records for accounting. Mayweather has asked for the statutory minimum of $10,000 on each of the five counts, but would be in line for millions in punitive damages on a breach of contract claim.
"There's no question we owe him some money," Arum said. "There's no dispute there. But he owes us a lot of money and the people he's involved with owe us even more. After 98% of the money we owed him was paid, we stopped paying him for a reason.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/fight-personal-floyd-mayweather-jr-bob-arum-article-1.286596
Arum said he paid money to J Prince and other fees. Nothing became of that lawsuit that i know of. But it definitively proves that they were no longer on good terms after the Oscar fight.. Makes sense why he didnt fight Arum fighters
Oh yea... Cotto left Arum in 2011. Mayweather fought Cotto in 2012.. Coincidence???
Bob Arum Why He Will Never Forgive Miguel Cotto
He clearly says... "Cotto Pledged himself to us for the rest of the career"
Whole career????? Really, Bob... You can't forgive him for being a business man..INSANE
Margarito vs Mayweather
Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million.
Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in.
"That's not in the cards," Arum said. "He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It's not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. We'll talk about things down the road."
Arum said he was simply not interested in participating in a De La Hoya-Mayweather fight, but not because of his distaste for De La Hoya.
"I don't want to, because if I did that fight, I would be working for such a small percentage, it's not worth it," he said.
http://www.espn.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2420382
Mayweather went on to make 8 million vs Baldomir, 25 million Vs Oscar, and 20 Mil vs Hatton. He made this because he was able to negotiate a better deal.. And as Bob says he doesnt work for pennies.^^^^
Mayweather VS Baldomir (instead of Margarito and the contract ext. with Bob)
Ppv was reported at 325 k. You can find a link if you try, here.
Arum says Floyd didnt make 8 million vs Baldomir(Dan Goosen)... Lets see
325k ppv x $50 = 16.2 mil+. Live gate 1 million= 16.3 million
Cable company takes 30% of 16.3. = 4.9mil
HBO take roughly 10%= 1.6 mil
4.9 + 1.6 = 6.5 million.
Revenue minus cable and premium channel fee cost.
16.3 million - 6.5 million = 9.8 million for fighters.
Fighter purses. 80/20 split.
Baldomir makes 1.6 million + Floyd 8 million = 9.6 million total
So in our estimation we are off 200k. But since we don't have the exact figures such as hd ppv vs standard that's reasonable. Also don't have exact gate or manager cost, promotional cost, event venue or stage renting, licensing etc.
This what money looks like when you escape the endless cycle of futures contracts. Especially when Mayweather vs Judah (370k ppv)and Gatti (340k ppv) did comparable numbers but Mayweather got paid a whole lot less.
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bob arum said he never talked directly to floyd during pac negotiations.. floyd talked to Lebouf his step son whom has a good relationship with floyd
Dana on how easy it was to hash deal with floyd
Bob Arum hasnt bashed Golovkin yet because he hopes to face him agasinst Ramirez @168. If Golvkin doesnt take the fight, hell be next on Arums **** list of cautious fighters.
“The fight Gilberto wants, assuming he’s successful in this , is against Triple-G,” Arum said during the conference call. “And I would agree to fight that fight winner-take-all. I think Ramirez destroys Golovkin the same way that he destroyed Arthur Abraham.”
http://www.boxingscene.com/arum-ramirez-destroy-golovkin-winner-take-all--115171
"I really believe that as you said, they have trained together and when fighters train together - even though training is not the same as the fight - pretty well they figure the other guy out and he is very confident on how well he'll do against Golovkin," Arum told BoxingScene.com.
http://www.boxingscene.com/arum-ramirez-confident-what-he-against-golovkin--106041
ALL OF THIS IS UNMISTAKEABLE PROOF..
Arums fighers fight each other because hes garaunteed to profit. Not because other fighters are scared..
"I don't want to, because if I did that fight, I would be working for such a small percentage, it's not worth it," BOB ARUM on why he didnt want to help Mayweather fight Oscar
http://www.espn.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2420382
If you got a good interview of Bob being a Scumbag... Post it....
Interesting that prideless male lions intimidate more with roars than manes (1 Peter 5:8) and they go solo because they were kicked out by more powerful males, often pairs of immature bothers.
You posted the other afternoon that you prefer to consume Arum and Hauser, both of whom are Jews so I must ask how you feel about Hamas and Netanyahu?
YOU jump from one subject to the next.
I wasn't aware Hauser was Jewish. I was aware that Bob was but I never brought it up nor have I made any anti-Semitic comments in reference to them. Notice how you are trying to smear me lol. I have no comment on Hamas. youre trying to turn this into some conspiracy theory, lol.
I'm an avid National Geographic kind of guy. A lion goes to his humble death, alone- like a man . While you dogs stay submissive to their leaders for a lifetime. You don't have to make assumptions, you could just ask a question and id answer.
What's your name? Since you keep using mine.
Such a subtle genius you are. lol in case you haven't noticed I'm not sensitive
I find your race baiting humorous that's why I'm entertaining it. Unlike you I don't need everyone to agree with me. That's dog pack behavior. I'm more of a solo lion who rather be in a pride of Top Rank Ring Card lionesses(of ANY color, possibly yours).
In case you missed it. I think Lomanchenko is a high quality fighter. I thought Pirog wa a high quality fighter. I think Frampton is decent. I liked Carl Froch. I think Calzaghe was a high quality fighter, but maybe not the highest quality.
Interesting that prideless male lions intimidate more with roars than manes (1 Peter 5:8) and they go solo because they were kicked out by more powerful males, often pairs of immature bothers.
You posted the other afternoon that you prefer to consume Arum and Hauser, both of whom are Jews so I must ask how you feel about Hamas and Netanyahu?
Long Post but at least you provide proof and evidence and not just make **** up like some people!
Arum is a ALL TIME GREAT promoter, promoter job is to promote and yes Lying and Deceiving plays a major part into being a Great Promoter :dunno:
YES he prefers to keep things in house because that = MORE MONEY FOR HIM! Yes he duck fighters for his fighters because keeping his fighter from losing = MORE MONEY FOR HIM! Arum made it clear that he doesn't opening his Books for ANYBODY so making Big Fights with Arum will always be difficult
It does get very annoying when fans of fighters promoted by Arum tries to defend his BULLSH1T and want everybody to believe that "This Time Arum Is Telling The Truth" :lol1:
"Yesterday I was lying; today I'm telling the truth," -Bob Arum
Excellent point, that suprisingly nobody brought up. I expected that once brought up sooner.
Doesnt need to be deep to explain chronically ruthless bias post after post.
Yes other species do it to, including humans
What's your name? Since you keep using mine.
But James I've been complimenting and critiquing men of all races but you are ravenously discriminant but do also like to cull who you percieve as week in your pack too
Such a subtle genius you are. lol in case you haven't noticed I'm not sensitive
I find your race baiting humorous that's why I'm entertaining it. Unlike you I don't need everyone to agree with me. That's dog pack behavior. I'm more of a solo lion who rather be in a pride of Top Rank Ring Card lionesses(of ANY color, possibly yours).
In case you missed it. I think Lomanchenko is a high quality fighter. I thought Pirog wa a high quality fighter. I think Frampton is decent. I liked Carl Froch. I think Calzaghe was a high quality fighter, but maybe not the highest quality.
But James I've been complimenting and critiquing men of all races but you are ravenously discriminant but do also like to cull who you percieve as week in your pack too
lol that's the best reasoning you have for this thread ?
I'm shocked. I expected something deeper.
That sounds like some alt right Community nonsense. I am the ultimate alpha. There's nothing beta about me. Meanwhile, you sound like every other Fox News heretic. You've yet to answer me about your one dimensional view of blaxks?
Lucky for you I'm not as one dimensional and racist as you appear to be. Because I know that-- NWALT or not all whites are like that.
Doesnt need to be deep to explain chronically ruthless bias post after post.
Yes other species do it to, including humans
Long Post but at least you provide proof and evidence and not just make **** up like some people!
Arum is a ALL TIME GREAT promoter, promoter job is to promote and yes Lying and Deceiving plays a major part into being a Great Promoter :dunno:
YES he prefers to keep things in house because that = MORE MONEY FOR HIM! Yes he duck fighters for his fighters because keeping his fighter from losing = MORE MONEY FOR HIM! Arum made it clear that he doesn't opening his Books for ANYBODY so making Big Fights with Arum will always be difficult
It does get very annoying when fans of fighters promoted by Arum tries to defend his BULLSH1T and want everybody to believe that "This Time Arum Is Telling The Truth" :lol1:
"Yesterday I was lying; today I'm telling the truth," -Bob Arum
Arum ducked fighters, true.
That's why he's pissed at Nelson telling him what to do.
Motorcity Cobra got a video confirming this.
Bobfather even admits protecting Crawford in that video.
Nelson wanted Crawford vs Matthysse. Arum refused.
Matthysse ended up fighting Postol. Two foreigners.
What can HBO do?
Matthysse got destroyed in that fight and retired.
GBP suffered heavy loses when another new recruit Lemieux got beat to a pulp by Glovkin.
GBP learned a huge lesson.
I always thought Lemieux was overhyped. They guy litterally doesn't have a straight punch in his arsenal. How he tricks people into not jabbing him to death while he loops his punches is beyond me
i already did but you basically see yourself as part of Floyd's pack and will to destroy any competitors to your territory like animal magnetism but strangly of the canine kind
lol that's the best reasoning you have for this thread ?
I'm shocked. I expected something deeper.
That sounds like some alt right Community nonsense. I am the ultimate alpha. There's nothing beta about me. Meanwhile, you sound like every other Fox News heretic. You've yet to answer me about your one dimensional view of blaxks?
Lucky for you I'm not as one dimensional and racist as you appear to be. Because I know that-- NWALT or not all whites are like that.
i already did but you basically see yourself as part of Floyd's pack and will to destroy any competitors to your territory like animal magnetism but strangly of the canine kind
Arum ducked fighters, true.
That's why he's pissed at Nelson telling him what to do.
Motorcity Cobra got a video confirming this.
Bobfather even admits protecting Crawford in that video.
Nelson wanted Crawford vs Matthysse. Arum refused.
Matthysse ended up fighting Postol. Two foreigners.
What can HBO do?
Matthysse got destroyed in that fight and retired.
GBP suffered heavy loses when another new recruit Lemieux got beat to a pulp by Glovkin.
GBP learned a huge lesson.
Why thank you but then Oscar and Arum aren't black so I'm not racially stereotyping. Moreover their behavior is clear for everyone to see
You don't expose it because you got alpha pack mentality
Please explain this alpha pack dog mentality. I want to make sure I'm interpreting it right before I respond.
Btw.... I'm hanging out over here now.
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=758190
Why thank you but then Oscar and Arum aren't black so I'm not racially stereotyping. Moreover their behavior is clear for everyone to see
You don't expose it because you got alpha pack mentality
It wasn't clear enough....
Hahah you gave him theme music. Never heard the song.
I'll admit, you seem like an ok guy. You really are too smart for some of the opionions you hold. But even intelligence has bias. Personality is king. It always wins over intelligence . Since emotions are stronger.
I understand clearly that your conservatism and Christianity define you as a man. All respect to that. But you also wholesale buy-in to a lot of stereotypical views that reduces blacks and liberals to a one dimensional figures. Your ability to analyze the motives of those whose existence agitates you shows just how far you are invested in your ego perception and also shows that which you find threatening. Deep down I beleive you probably started with good intentions but those intentions were displaced by your negative experiences.
This one dimensionalism is exemplified by your responses which includes only surface level observations that you only then, use your intelligence to supplement your bias rather than define it.
Although, I would not call Floyd a saint I never looked to him as a role model. I don't think Floyds a bad guy. I understated why you do. Do you understand why I don't?
Why thank you but then Oscar and Arum aren't black so I'm not racially stereotyping. Moreover their behavior is clear for everyone to see
You don't expose it because you got alpha pack mentality
Megalomaniacs are all about the money and Money May pays Ellerbe and Haymon for their information age and keeping it that way because they're synergy stems from seeing Floyd as a supremacist sex symbol that just keeps making it rain. Don King, Arum, Haymon, Oscar and 50 Cent showed Floyd how to get the dames so he extended this deceptive synergy toward the music game. But the Bible shows this sex magick has Satan to blame.
Hahah you gave him theme music. Never heard the song.
I'll admit, you seem like an ok guy. You really are too smart for some of the opionions you hold. But even intelligence has bias. Personality is king. It always wins over intelligence . Since emotions are stronger.
I understand clearly that your conservatism and Christianity define you as a man. All respect to that. But you also wholesale buy-in to a lot of stereotypical views that reduces blacks and liberals to a one dimensional figures. Your ability to analyze the motives of those whose existence agitates you shows just how far you are invested in your ego perception and also shows that which you find threatening. Deep down I beleive you probably started with good intentions but those intentions were displaced by your negative experiences.
This one dimensionalism is exemplified by your responses which includes only surface level observations that you only then, use your intelligence to supplement your bias rather than define it.
Although, I would not call Floyd a saint I never looked to him as a role model. I don't think Floyds a bad guy. I understated why you do. Do you understand why I don't?
Why are you calling Floyd a megalomaniac because another megalomaniac said so? Lol
Arum is anything but senile. He's calculated. Ellerbe is a side kick. Haymon is a puppeteer. But unlike bob he keeps his mouth shut. Isn't that a reverse stereotype in motion? Floyd is an actor. He plays the villain to sell fights. He actually a sensitive over emotional guy with his own story. Unlike, Arum Floyd cares about fighters.
Megalomaniacs are all about the money and Money May pays Ellerbe and Haymon for their information age and keeping it that way because they're synergy stems from seeing Floyd as a supremacist sex symbol that just keeps making it rain. Don King, Arum, Haymon, Oscar and 50 Cent showed Floyd how to get the dames so he extended this deceptive synergy toward the music game. But the Bible shows this sex magick has Satan to blame.
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