Wow, where to start?
Hernandez fought his last fight against Floyd.
Manfredy was B-rate at best. Nothing special.
Corrales was straight up and down, his style suited perfectly for Floyd. Nice win, but Diegovwas not elite class.
Mitchell was at the end of his career. Knocked out in all six of his losses. Kosta's leftovers.
Corley had 28 losses over the course of his career. Who didn't beat him?
Gatti was shot, at the end of his career and by Floyd's own admission, C-rate.
He got a gift versus Castillo. Loss #1.
Judah as we now know was nothing special. More of Kosta's leftovers.
Oscar was past his prime and should have been awarded the decision. Gift #2.
Hatton was small and a brawler. Joe Cortez perve Ted him from fighting on the inside. Took Floyd ten rounds to do what Pac did in two.
Mosley was washed up. Floyd ducked him since 130/135.
Cotto was damaged goods and not at his best. Cotto became an improved fighter under Roach.
Pacquiao was past his prime and Floyd even admits he stalled this fight for years so it could marinate, as though he is some Nostrodamus of boxing. Marinate is the code word for ducking.
Guerrero and Ortiz were hype jobs and B-rate.
Baldomir already had nine losses, nothing special.
Canelo was still green. Not the same fighter he is now and took the fight at a catch weight.
Floyd also ducked Margarito, Casamayor, Freitas, Paul Williams, Stevie Johnston, Winky Wright who he called out, Sergio Martinez, Khan, and a rematch with Oscar. Chose Midana 2X instead of Khan who already beat him. Got gift #3 versus Maidana. Chose Berto over Thurman, Garcia, Porter, Brook or rematch with Pac. Never did cross paths with Kosta, Forrest or anyone significant at 154 either.
ghost of dempsey saved my ass time to tell say what floyd did by cherrypkking his way to the top, lol, floyd fans are idiots, lol, many of them
There are so many world class wins on his resume that you didn't even have enough room to include Corrales, who would probably be my pick. Utterly dominated him.
Close call between that and Canelo, which was also a one-sided performance.
the point is Floyd lacks that type of win on his resume. I'm not criticizing him or laying blame...it's just a fact. who wanted to fight who and when is irrelevant, unless you're making excuses.
The excuses came from the other opponents, they knew Floyd would whoop them that why they declined him originally.
You know the same arguments certain Floyd haters are making for Khan right now? "He's too fast, Floyd can't deal with his hand speed, he's a bad match up for Floyd". They were saying that same **** about Robert Guerrero lmao
All I know is that there were plenty of times that Floyd's opponent was supposed to be "the guy" to finally get it done.
Then the fight happens and Floyd boatraces them.
Overnight, they are cherry picks. In 12 rounds they go from respected "opponent who might give Floyd trouble" to "handpicked bum"
The reality is that Floyd was at least one level above anyone else fighting during his prime.
The reality is all or most of the so called "ducks" don't hold up to even cursory scrutiny at all.
I don't know about TBE but is he in the convo?
Absolutely!
Lol. They sweep this under the rug. But I'm the spindoctor.
How does a fighter go from this will be the one -- to he never had a shot???
All I know is that there were plenty of times that Floyd's opponent was supposed to be "the guy" to finally get it done.
Then the fight happens and Floyd boatraces them.
Overnight, they are cherry picks. In 12 rounds they go from respected "opponent who might give Floyd trouble" to "handpicked bum"
The reality is that Floyd was at least one level above anyone else fighting during his prime.
The reality is all or most of the so called "ducks" don't hold up to even cursory scrutiny at all.
I don't know about TBE but is he in the convo?
Absolutely!
Try harder, Leonard lost 1st & you are trying to allude to #48, #48 said no (cuz they didn't want to take the test) when T.B.E. presented him the fight....Plus answer me why when Floyd was on the come up the fighters he wanted to fight didn't want to fight him at that time like (Kostya Tszyu & Cotto just to name a couple)? As soon as Floyd owns the bank everyone wants to fight him.....
the point is Floyd lacks that type of win on his resume. I'm not criticizing him or laying blame...it's just a fact. who wanted to fight who and when is irrelevant, unless you're making excuses.
These dudes always have an excuse. Fighters literally go from boogeyman to cherry pick after Floyd is done with them. Mayweather retired to avoid a welterweight division that was heating up, then it cooled down and all the fighters were washed up or too green when Floyd came out of retirement a year later.
This is my favorite as well. Acording to Mayhaters - everyone in the welterweight was an undefeated prime seasoned veteteran during the 1.5 years Floyd was retried.
They all went to WAR for one year and became damaged goods and became incapable of beating Floyd.
Over the course of 1.5 years. Young hungry division that Floyd avoided......
......But when old man Floyd schools Canelo "he was too green".
Absolutely love that the clowns are so butt hurt by 50-0 they can't stop posting laughable threads. Mayweather beat the best and he beat your favorite fighter. You all waited 21 years for him to lose and it never happened.
TBE!
Fixed!
Absolutely love that the clowns are so butt hurt by comments they can't stop posting laughable comments on threads. Mayweather beat the best at their worst and became a favorite fighter to some. You all waited 21 years for him to be guided to retirement and it happened.
#TBELEMMING4EVA
I was and anyone else who watched boxing with more than a single brain cell. Mosley got soundly outboxed by Mayorga and was lucky to get that KO...all of a sudden he is a prime? STFU, there was a 14 month, 2 training camp gap between even the Marg fight (one last hurrah, every fighter has that with favourable circumstances) and the May fight.
False, Mayorga has never boxed a day in his life. Besides Shane was up on 2 scorecards, hardly getting 'outboxed'. I've heard no boxer, trainer, pundit or fan in between the Margarito and Mayweather fight call Mosley old or shot.
The Mosley was old/shot is my favorite. Who was calling Mosley old after he knocked out boogeyman Margarito?
These dudes always have an excuse. Fighters literally go from boogeyman to cherry pick after Floyd is done with them. Mayweather retired to avoid a welterweight division that was heating up, then it cooled down and all the fighters were washed up or too green when Floyd came out of retirement a year later.
The Mosley was old/shot is my favorite. Who was calling Mosley old after he knocked out boogeyman Margarito?
I was and anyone else who watched boxing with more than a single brain cell. Mosley got soundly outboxed by Mayorga and was lucky to get that KO...all of a sudden he is a prime? STFU, there was a 14 month, 2 training camp gap between even the Marg fight (one last hurrah, every fighter has that with favourable circumstances) and the May fight.
The Canelo was too green excuse is my favorite. I love how all of a sudden Canelo is ready to fight Mayweather now that Floyd is 40 years old and retired. He fought a past prime welterweight, got schooled, and y'all making excuses for him. Pathetic.
The Mosley was old/shot is my favorite. Who was calling Mosley old after he knocked out boogeyman Margarito?
The Canelo was too green excuse is my favorite. I love how all of a sudden Canelo is ready to fight Mayweather now that Floyd is 40 years old and retired. He fought a past prime welterweight, got schooled, and y'all making excuses for him. Pathetic.
obviously you didn't get the point of the discussion...and that was, Floyd has no wins against elite level prime opposition. fighters like duran, leonard, hearns all do. if you want to argue Floyd has a better resume, that's your business...but he lacks the type of career defining wins other atgs have. as I said, Floyd has a great resume on paper. let me ask you this...if leonard didn't beat duran in the no mas fight...would you give him the same credit if he just had the win over him 9 years later? I mean, he'd still have duran on his resume, right? context means something.
Try harder, Leonard lost 1st & you are trying to allude to #48, #48 said no (cuz they didn't want to take the test) when T.B.E. presented him the fight....Plus answer me why when Floyd was on the come up the fighters he wanted to fight didn't want to fight him at that time like (Kostya Tszyu & Cotto just to name a couple)? As soon as Floyd owns the bank everyone wants to fight him.....
your making too much of this...I simply gave my opinion, it seems like you have the issue here. don't be one of those guys who has to defend everything about Floyd mayweather. it's a simple truth that he doesn't have a win like that on his resume, regardless of why or who's at fault. when comparing Floyd's resume objectively to other atgs...it stands out is all I'm saying.
i don't defend everything he does man I call him out on his bs as well. I get ur point, all good.
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. is not "TBE" or a "Great". He was a very good fighter who made a hell of a lot of money. Making good business moves meant avoiding many other very good fighters in their primes.
Imagine, a Joe Calzaghe fan saying that
Nelo was green. That was general consensus before even signing contract to fight Floyd. He was becoming better with each fight but never really tested and hardly convincing against trout. His first 40 fights were reaslly against nobodies in mexico. He was under radar as a result and only became knoiwn as possible Floyd opponent as he was also unbeaten after quite a lot of fights, albeit against nobodies. He tried to pick up quality of opponents and get some decent wins before being considered becoming viable opponent for Floyd. Nelo was no where near the finished article so was green.
Because Floyd 99% of time always had things in his favour. If he fought pac in philipines, or hatton in manchezster people would be more inclined to give credit to floyd. Most people Floyd beat they had been been beaten better before or were past prime and not even that great in first place or cw leaving question
marks?
Maybe spence, brook, or Thurman could have been signature wins as well but Floyd hand picks.
Jeff Horn was green, didn't stop him from beating Manny's azz
ghost of dempsey saved my ass time to tell say what floyd did by cherrypkking his way to the top, lol, floyd fans are idiots, lol, many of them
Really, so you got an excuse why 50 fighters loss to Floyd...seems to me that the most logical reason is Floyd is better! But logic is clearly not a part of your genetic code
Yep...but also when fighters are all bona-fide atgs, with atg resumes...it often comes down to a conversation of best wins in context, which was what my original point was getting at. It's especially the case when comparing fighters of different eras. It's entirely subjective anyway, and the argument is endless with several paths to validity...as long as someone is reasonable and seems to know what they're are talking about, i can respect a different point of view.
u r reasonable unlike floyds fans