Is PED use in boxing universally accepted - just don't talk about it?

USADA tests UFC fighters, the same agency Mayweather has used since 2009. USADA are the organisation that doesn't release test results to state athletic bodies without permission of clients?

If people don't think that every single guy at the top level isn't a suspect, then they're living in a fairy tale fantasy land. Now of course I'm not saying that literally EVERY SINGLE FIGHTER at the top level is doping -- but every single one is damn sure a possible suspect. There's literally MILLIONS of dollars at stake at the top level. And you best believe that every single fighter at the top level is wondering if the guy in the other corner is doping. And again, I can't stress it enough, literally millions of dollars are on the line. That's what separates the top level A side guys from the B side guys. And all it takes is a loss or two to turn an A side guy into a B side guy. You don't think these dudes at the top would be willing to consider it if they are 99.9% sure they won't get caught? Or that the sport of boxing won't sweep some sh*t under the rug in order to keep one of their box office PPV events going? You'd have to be a complete fool to think that your favorite fighter is a lock to be clean. Everybody's a damn suspect at the top level. ^^^^^ this right here

4:50 "Let's put it this way...I think a very high percentage of modern athletes are cheating...and I think a very high percentage of older athletes (fighters) were cheating at different weights...including some of the people who accuse others of cheating."

It happens and it's frowned upon, we still have guys like Shannon Briggs who failed one recently and held his hands up, but we also had someone like Povetkin who failed twice and tonnes of excuses came out regarding the amount of his heart pills that was found in his blood. All the testing agencies are the same, their whole purpose is to make boxers fight clean without any help. And you would hope their reputation is on the line if and when they caught anyone cheating.

If people don't think that every single guy at the top level isn't a suspect, then they're living in a fairy tale fantasy land. Now of course I'm not saying that literally EVERY SINGLE FIGHTER at the top level is doping -- but every single one is damn sure a possible suspect. There's literally MILLIONS of dollars at stake at the top level. And you best believe that every single fighter at the top level is wondering if the guy in the other corner is doping. And again, I can't stress it enough, literally millions of dollars are on the line. That's what separates the top level A side guys from the B side guys. And all it takes is a loss or two to turn an A side guy into a B side guy. You don't think these dudes at the top would be willing to consider it if they are 99.9% sure they won't get caught? Or that the sport of boxing won't sweep some sh*t under the rug in order to keep one of their box office PPV events going? You'd have to be a complete fool to think that your favorite fighter is a lock to be clean. Everybody's a damn suspect at the top level.

Why would Floyd's A samples be thrown out? LOL.... that is blatant cheating am I right? what a **** sport USADA throws away samples. You'll never see any agency tasked to prove guilt or innocence throw away evidence. These samples don't even need huge rooms to store them. That right there is proof this agency have things to hide. You surely have seen cold cases depicted on tv being brought to life and solved eventually. Have you seen any of those bits and pieces of evidence thrown away?

Why would Floyd's A samples be thrown out? LOL.... that is blatant cheating am I right? what a **** sport

Here's the thing, no one knows who is and isn't clean unless they are caught. Anybody who thinks for sure their guy Floyd, Pac, Golovkin, Ward or anyone else is clean is just because you are a fan. I'd like to hope they all are clean but I have no idea. I can't even worry about it because there's nothing I can do. We've seen it in every sport and I'm sure boxing is no different. Unfortunately everyone who stands out is going to come under scrutiny. Personally about the only guy who I'm sure in my mind did it was was JMM (also one of my favorite fighters of all time). I've been around the stuff and seen enough athletes to see his body transformation in the last Pac fight was too much. That looked like an obvious case of PED use. But hey maybe I'm wrong and maybe it was all legit.

The drug testing has greatly improved! (Mike Tyson was the first athlete in boxing, to implement Olympic styled drug testing for his rematch against Evander Holyfield! Which kind of proves that Evander Holyfield was a clean athlete, because he was in immense shape for that fight! Infact in my opinion both Mike Tyson & Evander Holyfield for that fight where probably the most conditioned heavyweight fighters of all time! They where so well matched, and they even weighed in at exactly the same weight! That fight could of been the greatest heavyweight fight ever, if Mike Tyson had not imploded! The speed and intensity of both fighters in the opening rounds was like watching two big middle-weight fighters!)...

Would it be possible for boxing to implement something like the UFC did? How does boxing currently test fighters? Is it different for each fight? Is it not year round testing? Does floyd still pay USADA?

Yes. And VADA, WADA, UKADA etc are the latest forms of alphabet organisations. "If you pay and promote us we will pass you off as clear."

I don't think it's accepted at all. It's frowned upon, but it's going on no doubt. A lot of people say just allow them, but some boxers just don't want to use PEDS for ethical or health reasons, so if it ever was allowed you'll always have some doped boxer facing an undoped boxer, cue the excuses, "I lost because he was on PEDs and I refuse...". More stringent tests, randomised testing and severe penalties is the answer.

Does Floyd still pay USADA? It seems like that is a HUGE conflict of interest? \ UFC pays usada for testing... not the fighters

Above and beyond? AFIK VADA follows the same list with no changes, you want to provide a source that shows they go "above and beyond"? Heres a decent read: http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-boxing-news/wada-not-responsible-for-bradley-pacquiao-ii-testing- To add/in summary: Synthetic testosterone is so hard to keep up with legally because its always changing. If you dont have someone a step ahead, theres no way of knowing.

Didnt Jon Jones get a pass for using a "male enhancement" drug? USADA has loopholes even for UFC guys. The thing is these UFC guys dont make the $ to get the good stuff. Was still banned 1 year and so was Brock lesnar Anderson silva

USADA doesn't EVER let UFC fighters use IV's. no TUE's like mayweather gets Random testing all year round.... not just during the camp. I don't know how anyone can think boxers are clean.... If USADA found mcgregor using an IV without telling them he would be banned for 2 years (he'd be banned even if he told them)... look at Chad mendes or Jon Jones... Vitor belfort who is 40 and now has a dad bod UFC is clean or doing its best and its working... boxing has a long way to go Didnt Jon Jones get a pass for using a "male enhancement" drug? USADA has loopholes even for UFC guys. The thing is these UFC guys dont make the $ to get the good stuff.

USADA doesn't have their own list they follow the full WADA code. They don't change anything. :dunce: And thats the problem, they dont go above and beyond that like VADA does. VADA has an immoral guy like Conte working for them because he spots others just like him. Look man I know you are getting offended because you think I am insinuating something about your hero Floyd. Its really not that big of a deal to me, Floyd has passed his test so he is clean in my eyes. This goes for any others who test under USADA. My thing is, immoral things exist in this industry. VADA seems to grasp this concept which is why they do have "a list" and it obides by "WADA" but their list is left open. Thats why guys like Memo Heredia avoid VADA like the plague and prefer USADA. Either way more props to fighters for subjecting themselves to test. Its a step in the right direction.

Don't worry USADA is there to take care of everything for this fight. Thomas Hauser will be watching closely though. USADA doesn't EVER let UFC fighters use IV's. no TUE's like mayweather gets Random testing all year round.... not just during the camp. I don't know how anyone can think boxers are clean.... If USADA found mcgregor using an IV without telling them he would be banned for 2 years (he'd be banned even if he told them)... look at Chad mendes or Jon Jones... Vitor belfort who is 40 and now has a dad bod UFC is clean or doing its best and its working... boxing has a long way to go

Don't worry USADA is there to take care of everything for this fight. Thomas Hauser will be watching closely though.

It's WADA that updates the list and VADA use the same list. :rofl: Wrong, USADA has their own list and it specifies WADA substances only. VADA has a list but: Moreover, VADA has the right, at any time, to modify, edit, and add any substance or method according to any new laws, guidelines, VADA policies, or anti-doping ideals. Thats why they hire cons like Conte to keep up with these backyard chemist that modify the drugs on you little "WADA" list. hahhaha