If Crawford vs Indongo breaks 1 million?

Bud is one of my favorite fighters, so I already consider him a star based on his ability alone. With that said, if Crawford beats Indongo convincingly AND moves up to 147 and takes out Thurman or Spence, I think you have to put him as P4P #1 at that point. Whether that makes him a cross-over star or not is irrelevant to me.

A star in boxing in the 21st century is probably making as much or more in endorsement money as he is in purse money. Ratings are fickle, particularly on a network that is all over the place in terms of how they market and promote an event, time slots, what the fight is up against in terms of competing networks--is there a major sporting event being aired on a rival network during the fight? If so, the fight has to compete for viewership. Drawing power of the fighter(s) is also highly relevant. Neither Crawford or Indongo are draws, so it will come down to multiple factors.

Crawford has a decent following amongst other athletes. They know who he is. Especially the NBA guys. Loma is still a foreigner, and people like to root for their own. I have no doubt that Crawford will at least get a lot more viewers than Loma did.

Another reason why boxers have a hard time becoming stars: https://twitter.com/VasylLomachenko/status/894325953630920704 Vasyl forget your "hit list" done via twitter using initials trying to be slick, you had a goddamn microphone stuck in front of you live on ESPN right after your fight saturday, call out these guys instead of giving a generic answer! Agreed but maybe Arum told him to do that

Another reason why boxers have a hard time becoming stars: https://twitter.com/VasylLomachenko/status/894325953630920704 Vasyl forget your "hit list" done via twitter using initials trying to be slick, you had a goddamn microphone stuck in front of you live on ESPN right after your fight saturday, call out these guys instead of giving a generic answer!

The bad guy role suits Jermal well. Spence's dad seems laid back and cool too. I have never seen his dad do an interview or try to hog the limelight. I must admit, the Charlos could play the vilains if they want too: they got the look for it, the demeanor, etc. Let's say that if Spence wanted to be Batman they could be his Joker. For example, Porter is another guy that, though he is short could be turned into a star with his bright smile, the relationship he has with his dad. The same could be said for a guy like Loma. I feel like boxing has quite a few guys that have that "star look".

Indeed, they might be a still bit "raw" for a lack of better word. But to me, so far, they seem to be always "on the edge" whether it's fight week or post fight. Both Charlos seem like they are ready to "explode" at any moment, they always seem tense, carrying a huge chip on their shoulders. By comparison, Spence, who is also from the south, always seems to be laid back and cool. The bad guy role suits Jermal well. Spence's dad seems laid back and cool too. I have never seen his dad do an interview or try to hog the limelight.

They don't seem to be articulate. Indeed, they might be a still bit "raw" for a lack of better word. But to me, so far, they seem to be always "on the edge" whether it's fight week or post fight. Both Charlos seem like they are ready to "explode" at any moment, they always seem tense, carrying a huge chip on their shoulders. By comparison, Spence, who is also from the south, always seems to be laid back and cool.

I'm still scratching my head at how Spence pulled in 6M views. None of the casual fans that I know even know who Spence is. His fight was right after USA Men's BBall team gold medal game, so people were already in front of their TV.

Spence got 6M on national TV & idk if he's legit a star yet. I'm not even sure what exactly a star in boxing means. You can sell x PPV's? You've made x money? You are known by x% of people? The bigger question is wtf is the definition of a star in boxing? I guess mainly idk that a star is simply about ratings. I'm still scratching my head at how Spence pulled in 6M views. None of the casual fans that I know even know who Spence is.

It might break 1 million but it won't make him a superstar. Crawford need to fight Pacquiao to raise his profile but when Horn gets a win over Manny, I'm not sure if beating him will change anything.

Im actually going to be at the fight. Floor seats baby. But i got my tv on auto start when the crawford fight is on to give him extra viewership.

I agree with alot of what you guys said. I think we "hardcore" fans often make the mistake of applying the traditional definition of a North American "star" (the one used for a pop star, nba athlete, etc) to the boxing "ecosystem". For example, for the boxing ecosystem, GGG is a star but by the traditional metrics used in America, I doubt he is. To me, regarding Crawford, the real question is: "Is Bud already a star despite his "poor" PPV sale so far"? The other issue for me is that boxing does a very poor job of developing its "potential" stars. For example, young, "good looking guys" (no homo) like the Charlo twins with actual above-average boxing skills should be on the path to becoming stars in the traditional sense of term. Have you ever asked yourself if race plays a significant role?

I agree with alot of what you guys said. I think we "hardcore" fans often make the mistake of applying the traditional definition of a North American "star" (the one used for a pop star, nba athlete, etc) to the boxing "ecosystem". For example, for the boxing ecosystem, GGG is a star but by the traditional metrics used in America, I doubt he is. To me, regarding Crawford, the real question is: "Is Bud already a star despite his "poor" PPV sale so far"? The other issue for me is that boxing does a very poor job of developing its "potential" stars. For example, young, "good looking guys" (no homo) like the Charlo twins with actual above-average boxing skills should be on the path to becoming stars in the traditional sense of term. They don't seem to be articulate.

....1 million what? Viewers? lol

I agree with alot of what you guys said. I think we "hardcore" fans often make the mistake of applying the traditional definition of a North American "star" (the one used for a pop star, nba athlete, etc) to the boxing "ecosystem". For example, for the boxing ecosystem, GGG is a star but by the traditional metrics used in America, I doubt he is. To me, regarding Crawford, the real question is: "Is Bud already a star despite his "poor" PPV sale so far"? The other issue for me is that boxing does a very poor job of developing its "potential" stars. For example, young, "good looking guys" (no homo) like the Charlo twins with actual above-average boxing skills should be on the path to becoming stars in the traditional sense of term.

Will this officially make Crawford a superstar. I mean, if you break a million on ESPN you must be doing something right. Well I think Crawford broke 1mm on HBO last time out. I think if he can't break 1mm in ESPN that would be a massive disappointment..

Santa Cruz vs Mares peaked at 1.6 million and they're not superstars so... It actually did around 2 million because it was also shown in spanish on ESPN Deportes along with ESPN.

Spence got 6M on national TV & idk if he's legit a star yet. I'm not even sure what exactly a star in boxing means. You can sell x PPV's? You've made x money? You are known by x% of people? The bigger question is wtf is the definition of a star in boxing? Truth, being a "star" in boxing is a pretty nebulous concept already. I have a feeling we will not see a true PPV star emerge for a while (aside from Canelo), it'd take someone really special to capture mainstream attention now that Manny and Floyd are on their way out.

notsureifsrs or making a troll post about loma