Does TBE deserve to beat Marcianos record?

Chavez 87-0 /thread 107-6, 1 loss per every 18 wins 31-4-2 in title fights (went 25-0 before his first loss), Floyd 27-0 in title fights Take that for data

Floyd was greater than Marciano when he was 39-0.

You are right. If Chavez had retired at 87-0 he would have blown Marciano's record out of the water and boxers would have to win 88 fights with no losses to beat Chavez's record. It seems unfair to me that Chavez isn't the record holder because he didn't retire then. Marciano, Mayweather and Chavez are all great but I recognize Chavez as the real record holder at 87 wins and no losses. Your exactly right. What he did was incredible.

Absolutely not. If he wants to really beat Marciano's record the right way he needs to beat a champion boxer or a top contender boxer. Marciano's fights were all against pro boxers, not wrestlers or kick boxers. Marciano's last fight was a KO over the great Archie Moore. That's just my opinion on the matter. If others wish to recognize a Mayweather win over Conor as the win that breaks Marciano's record it's their right to do so. There are no written down rules on breaking Marciano's record. The Mayweather vs Conor fight is a pro boxing match so if Mayweather wins his record as a pro boxer goes to 50 wins and no losses and he breaks Marciano's record on paper. My common sense tells me Mayweather needs to beat a better opponent to rightfully claim to have broken Marciano's famous record. Almost all of the long winning streaks are in the lower weight classes. 49-0 is remarkable in the heavyweight division.

That was one reason, but that was over some $10K kickback to his manager that was shaved off the purse of one of his fights. He was also struggling with injuries he sustained early in his career--ruptured disc in his back and elbow. I do believe that the HW division start to get deeper when he chose to retire. Not only was Pattevrson and Liston coming up but a young Cleveland Williams and Zora Folley too. He came into the sport late, had about a dozen amateur fights. He was about 5'10", 185 fighting much bigger opponents. He was resilient, had a granite chin, great stamina, and could pack a punch. Not a graceful boxer like Louis or Ali, but efficient. I respect Marciano just like I respect Floyd. I do wish he would of face Thurman for the 50th fight instead.

That was one reason, but that was over some $10K kickback to his manager that was shaved off the purse of one of his fights. He was also struggling with injuries he sustained early in his career--ruptured disc in his back and elbow. I do believe that the HW division start to get deeper when he chose to retire. Not only was Patterson and Liston coming up but a young Cleveland Williams and Zora Folley too. He came into the sport late, had about a dozen amateur fights. He was about 5'10", 185 fighting much bigger opponents. He was resilient, had a granite chin, great stamina, and could pack a punch. Not a graceful boxer like Louis or Ali, but efficient.Pound for pound Marciano was fantastic. I have seen pictures of him weighting in the morning of his fight at 184 pounds in street clothes after breakfast. He was no bigger if as big as today's light heavyweights who weigh 190 or so on fight night. Both Charles and Moore outweighed him a pound or two when he knocked them out.

These whole "record" things are nonsense anyway. As people have said, 49-0 has been smashed already, just because Chavez eventually lost doesn't change that. In no other sport to you get stripped of a "record" because you eventually lose. If Calzaghe had took a few more fights against a few more average opponents and a guy making his debut who doesn't box, he would have beaten 49-0 too. So what? In the end you will be judged on things other than an undefeated record. There's fighters with plenty of losses held in higher regard than Mayweather. I actually think Floyd has a great resume and a great career. He's great because of that, not because he will retire 50-0 and break some record that's doesn't even exist really.

Chavez 87-0 /threadYou are right. If Chavez had retired at 87-0 he would have blown Marciano's record out of the water and boxers would have to win 88 fights with no losses to beat Chavez's record. It seems unfair to me that Chavez isn't the record holder because he didn't retire then. Marciano, Mayweather and Chavez are all great but I recognize Chavez as the real record holder at 87 wins and no losses.

Wasn't the main reason Rocky retired was cuz he was getting effed over by his manager? That was one reason, but that was over some $10K kickback to his manager that was shaved off the purse of one of his fights. He was also struggling with injuries he sustained early in his career--ruptured disc in his back and elbow. I do believe that the HW division start to get deeper when he chose to retire. Not only was Patterson and Liston coming up but a young Cleveland Williams and Zora Folley too. What makes Marciano so special that someone has to deserve to beat his record? He came into the sport late, had about a dozen amateur fights. He was about 5'10", 185 fighting much bigger opponents. He was resilient, had a granite chin, great stamina, and could pack a punch. Not a graceful boxer like Louis or Ali, but efficient.

And Floyd never fought an elite in their prime. Not to mention the gifts he got to remain undefeated. Castillo I was the most obvious of them all. Lmao you shouldn't even comment after this. Elite is matter of opinion. How was Hatton not elite after knocking out Kostya Tszyu and Castillo?

Absolutely not. If he wants to really beat Marciano's record the right way he needs to beat a champion boxer or a top contender boxer. Marciano's fights were all against pro boxers, not wrestlers or kick boxers. Marciano's last fight was a KO over the great Archie Moore. That's just my opinion on the matter. If others wish to recognize a Mayweather win over Conor as the win that breaks Marciano's record it's their right to do so. There are no written down rules on breaking Marciano's record. The Mayweather vs Conor fight is a pro boxing match so if Mayweather wins his record as a pro boxer goes to 50 wins and no losses and he breaks Marciano's record on paper. My common sense tells me Mayweather needs to beat a better opponent to rightfully claim to have broken Marciano's famous record.

What makes Marciano so special that someone has to deserve to beat his record?

They didn't retire undefeated doe. They just had nice stretches of time without losing. Having a completely perfect record, no L's, no draws, no no contests or no no decisions is kinda a sexy concept when a guy has done it at the elite level of the sport like Rocky & Floyd. That said for a sport where so few guys care about stats it does seem weird guys are so hyped for this stat record out of all the stat records one could be exited about, like the stuff you bring up,. And its not even a Floyd thing. This 49-0 thing has been a HUGE thing since I first heard about it. Its damn near a mythical sorta thing & has been since Rocky retired. Personally I don't give a sh^t about many boxing records per se & this one is no different. And I'm gonna l o f#cking l when some Thailand 108lb guy no one gives a f#ck about buttrapes this 49-0 thing or I guess 50-0 thing later this month by going 74-0 before retiring & I don't gotta listen to this Rocky & Floyd bs with the perfect record that people keep jacking off over. I remember when Larry Holmes was on his way to tying and beating Marciano's record and Spinx came on as a spoiler. Larry was outraged. Thing is, he wouldn't have stopped at 50-0, as he went on to lose more fights afterward. Rocky took a lot of criticism for fighting guys like Louis and Walcott past their prime, or Charles who was never the same after he killed a guy in the ring. Many suspect he retired early because he didn't want to fight up and coming opponents such as Floyd Patterson and Sonny Liston. So while I understand the aura surrounding an undefeated record, it doesn't carry as much weight as someone who took on all comers at their best and carved out a successful career with only a small handful of losses. Calzaghe retired undefeated, but most fans won't consider him the best 168 lb. fighter of all time. I still reserve that distinction for Jones Jr. even though he lost to Joe when he was well past his prime.

I'm more impressed by guys who keep fighting the best opponents in their prime. I'm not impressed by anyone's 49-0 or 50-0. Rocky and Floyd have some things in common. Neither guy ever faced a great boxer in his prime.

Charlie Z is 160-0 and moved up ti HW to fight Wilder.

Chavez 87-0 /thread retire undefeated..RETIRE UNDEFEATED..why is that so hard to understand?

Corrales, hatton, Marquez all prime p4p fighters and floyd started ducking after cotto. And really Castillo? You didn't see that boy get embarrassed in the rematch? Who cares about the rematch, fact is, Floyd got a gift in their first fight that would have taken his "0". Corrales, Hatton are not elite level fighters. Marquez was certainly not at his best and had to come up two weight classes for a catchweight that Floyd didn't even make.

Marciano has no "record." He retired undefeated. So did Sven Ottke. It's totally meaningless.

Floyd arguably has a better resume than Marciano, but the win that will cause him to beat Marciano's record completely taints the accomplishment. His crowning achievement for the record is Mcgregor "peeleft: Just imagine the difference if win #50 was against Spence instead :boxing: Aint nothing "arguably" about it. Floyd's resume ****s on Marciano's. Rocky was a can crusher, he fought McGoober level opponents all the time.

And Floyd never fought an elite in their prime. Not to mention the gifts he got to remain undefeated. Castillo I was the most obvious of them all. Corrales, hatton, Marquez all prime p4p fighters and floyd started ducking after cotto. And really Castillo? You didn't see that boy get embarrassed in the rematch?