Worse 4 weight world champ than AB ?

Leo Gamez from Venezuela was a 4 division champion. Not a hall of famer, but alot more accomplished than Broner.

The most over hyped fighter of this era has been Khan. Broner is a very close second Khan is up there. His hype to wins ratio is ridiculous.

WTF! Donaire is HOF caliber fighter especially in his prime. He may not be first ballot HOF but he deserved to be in there.

Broner is clearly the worst boxer to ever win a title in 4 different weight divisions imo, i don't know what you're on about ? He won his world titles via vacant belts, he got gift decisions agaisnt ponce de leon and paulie so....yeah He never beat "the guy" in any division.

I don't think he's even been a serious contender at 140 & 147, never mind a guy you could call a 'champion' without laughing. A decent fighter but one of the most overhyped in my lifetime. Unbelievable how much heat the industry gave him 4/5 years ago, and how many people bought it. The most over hyped fighter of this era has been Khan. Broner is a very close second

Donaire KTFO a prime Darchynyan who was destroying people. That alone ****s all over Broner's record. Donaire is a HOF. Montiel, Narvaez, others are better than anyone Broner beat. Donaire might be the worst 5 division champion only because that's pretty elite company. He was also pummeled by Walters who everyone now calls a hype job after Loma made him quit.

Donaire probably. Most of those guys at the babbyweights that only need to eat a ham sandwich to move up a division. That's two people lol I've heard it all now. See my post. Donaire is a HOF with ATG power for Bantamweight and under.

I think it's a toss up between Broner and Donaire. Broner can still salvage a few decent wins, but Donaire is done as far as I can see. I think Broner would benefit from a new trainer and a different atmosphere. If he can find some self-discipline and be fully dedicated he can salvage his career, but I really don't see that happening. He is likely broke and in jail in three years or less. Donaire KTFO a prime Darchynyan who was destroying people. That alone ****s all over Broner's record. Donaire is a HOF. Montiel, Narvaez, others are better than anyone Broner beat. Donaire might be the worst 5 division champion only because that's pretty elite company.

Donaire probably. Most of those guys at the babbyweights that only need to eat a ham sandwich to move up a division.

He is definitely the worst. Generally that stat is fail proof. If you have 4 divisions then you are a HOF, but he's not even close to that.

Paulie was past it, with no power, not at his natural weight class, they fought for a vacant belt and broner barely eeked out the win. Paulie was the champion. He went overseas and won the title by knockout. He lost the title to Broner. It wasn't vacant.

Paulie M is his best win. Paulie was past it, with no power, not at his natural weight class, they fought for a vacant belt and broner barely eeked out the win. That was 1/4 of broner's 4 weight class ABC belt conquest. That shows how much of a joke he is and how overrated that stat is.

I think it's a toss up between Broner and Donaire. Broner can still salvage a few decent wins, but Donaire is done as far as I can see. I think Broner would benefit from a new trainer and a different atmosphere. If he can find some self-discipline and be fully dedicated he can salvage his career, but I really don't see that happening. He is likely broke and in jail in three years or less.

Remember Gavin Rees or whatever the hell his name is landing in slick Broner :lol1:

Is this Original Zero's alt? Three of us, one with ties to the WBC, one with ties to the WBA and one with ties to the IBF, have shut down our accounts and will be posting jointly under this account. None of us will be posting under any other accounts. It's this simple. NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL play all season long to get to one final championship at the end of each season. The winner they crown is the champion of that organization period, plain and simple. Boxing is no different, the world just doesn't agree on one league being head and shoulders above all others. There are basketball leagues all over the world. The Warriors are the NBA champions, but there are champions of many other leagues. Refusing to call the Warriors champions and relegating them to "trophy holder" is a semantic exercise that is childish and pointless. A fighter often spends years, or their entire career, climbing the ranks of one of boxing's major leagues. They may win a WBC youth championship early in their career. Then stepping up to win the United States championship. Followed by the Continental Americas championship before a big step up to try to become North American champion. Eventually challenging for the International championship and then targeting the Silver championship to become mandatory to the WBC world champion. Just as the Warriors play a regular season, try to win the division championship, then the conference championship, before challenging for the NBA world championship. A journalist's job is to report the facts. Not hide the facts as a noble but misguided attempt at social engineering. Boxing is in a very screwed up situation and the media and the networks deserve a fair share of the blame. We would have never ended up with four major leagues if the media and networks weren't trying to hide what the leagues were. Boxing on the other hand, is made up of many organizations like you say with four mainly recognized organizations. Now when a guy wins one of those, he is the IBF champion, WBC champion, etc. But when someone asks you who the welterweight champion is? I would say Keith Thurman is the champion while the other two guys hold belt at that weight. Simple enough to understand right? You're chasing a fantasy that has never existed and what you seek becomes more achievable through honesty and acceptance. If someone asks who the welterweight champion is, the response is simple; the welterweight champion of what? Boxing does not have one clear cut premier league head and shoulders above all others. If I ask you who the futbol champion is, you would ask, the champion of what? The World Cup? The Olympics? The Champions League? The Premier League? Etc. If we can start being honest about what the fighters are actually the champion of, we can put some pressure on promoters and networks to stop recognizing four organizations. The WBO is not a world league. It's an Arum/Warren league. All boxing fans would benefit from the derecognition of the WBO. Pretending that it's a world title has just made it too easy for Arum & Warren to hide their fighters while still claiming "world championship" fights are on their cards.

he's only saying that to make his hero look good I wondered what his angle was for defending Broner :lol1:

lmfao how stupid is that statement. Worse 4 Division champion? Lol haters love to hate. It's not a stupid question. If you look at Broners overall record and who he beat to get the titles then Demarco is probably his best win. Every time he steps up the legacy competition he gets beaten. He was out-muscled by Chino, out-willed by Porter and out-boxed by Mikey, so quite a few "problems" to take into account. Maybe a fight with Khan would be interesting though.

Broner is clearly the worst boxer to ever win a title in 4 different weight divisions imo, i don't know what you're on about ? He won his world titles via vacant belts, he got gift decisions agaisnt ponce de leon and paulie so....yeah he's only saying that to make his hero look good

There's only one Superbowl every year and one winner which = champion. There's only one Super Bowl, but there are plenty of other bowls (Arena, Sugar, etc). The champion of each bowl is the champion of that particular bowl. To label them "trophy holders" because they're not the champion of every bowl is petty and silly. There are four belts in each division all the time= four belt holders. How can you be a champion with 3 other guys who claim the same thing? There are a lot more than four belts. There may be a hundred or more belts in each division. But you don't have to be the only champion to be a champion. The WBC champion is the WBC champion. The WBO champion is the WBO champion. They aren't claiming the same thing. One is claiming to be the champion of the WBC and the other is claiming to be the champion of the WBO. The problem is that the media tried to become social engineers instead of just doing their job. So while they pretended that the names of the organizations were irrelevant, it made it much easier for promoters to just prop up a new organization since the public wasn't going to know the difference anyway. He's right. They are belt holders. If they ever got to one tile, that's a champion. That's not how words work. The IBF champion is the IBF champion. They are no more a "holder" than the champion of any other organization. Will the winners of the hockey playoffs only be referred to as "cup holders" instead of champions? It's idiotic.

going by wikipedia: (at least) 4 divisional champs: Hearns Leonard Duran Whitaker Leo Gamez Roy Jones Mayweather, Pacquiao, Morales, Arce, Donaire, Marquez, Cotto, Broner. Gonzalez Cant comment on Gamez, dont know anything about him. The only guy probably who had weaker accomplishments to get to 4 divisional belts is Arce.