You talking about the same Ramirez who lost to Mancini several years prior closer to his prime?
Yeah that's right...the one that afterwards fought in more world title fights with the likes of Pernell Whitaker 2x & Julio Cesar Chavez,Terrence Alli, Choo Choo Brown, Melvin Paul & Juan Coggi.
You mean try to wear him down like Jose Luiz Ramirez tried. Camacho shut him out & even dropped him.
You talking about the same Ramirez who lost to Mancini several years prior closer to his prime?
The Camacho i'm talking about is the one that beat Rafael Bazooka Limon, Jose Luiz Ramirez, Rafael Solis & Cornealous Boza Edwards (Camacho's speed just plain shut out the opposition & he also had pop in his punches). I am a fan of Salvadore Sanchez. Please take into account that Macho was at a higher wgt & had tremendous hand & foot speed, was a southpaw & can punch.
Yes all those fights took place at a 130 and a 135 lbs. I agree that Camacho was one hell of a fighter back in the day; Especially before the Edwin Rosario fight and before moving up to 140.
In addition, he would have given Sanchez a run for his money at 130 since he was the overall natural bigger guy. One thing I can say for sure is that fight would have definitely been a barn burner.
Also, I tend to agree; Camacho probably would have been the slight favorite going into that bout too. However, one cannot dismiss that P4P Salvador Sanchez was the overall better fighter though.
The Camacho i'm talking about is the one that beat Rafael Bazooka Limon, Jose Luiz Ramirez, Rafael Solis & Cornealous Boza Edwards (Camacho's speed just plain shut out the opposition & he also had pop in his punches).
Please take into account that Macho was at a higher wgt & had tremendous hand & foot speed, was a southpaw & can punch. Yes all those fights took place at a 130 and a 135 lbs. I agree that Camacho was one hell of a fighter back in the day; Especially before the Edwin Rosario fight and before moving up to 140.
In addition, he would have given Sanchez a run for his money at 130 since he was the overall natural bigger guy. One thing I can say for sure is that fight would have definitely been a barn burner.
Also, I tend to agree; Camacho probably would have been the slight favorite going into that bout. However, one cannot dismiss that P4P Salvador Sanchez was the overall better fighter though.
Sanchez would have found a way to get on the inside and outwork Camacho. Hector had blazing hand speed and it would be a great fight, no doubt. But I see Sanchez wearing him down and getting to him in the later rounds via UD.
You mean try to wear him down like Jose Luiz Ramirez tried. Camacho shut him out & even dropped him.
No way in f*cking hell. In my opinion he would've eventually crossed paths with JCC and would have beaten him too.
Maybe the 130 lb Chavez, but I don't see him beating the 135 lb Chavez or even the 140 lb Chavez.
I don't know which Hector Camacho you are referring to but I'm referring to the 135 lbs boxer/puncher Hector Camacho who faced Edwin Rosario in 1986 by squaring up flat-footed and who was clipped and badly hurt several times by him throughout the bout. That version of Camacho would have lost to Sanchez at 130.
I'll grant you that Camacho would have had the size advantage because he has never competed at the 126 lbs weight division as a pro. However post Rosario, the 140 Camacho would have stood a much better chance of defeating Sanchez, due to his defensive prowess and his unwillingness and reluctance to exchange punches with him.
The reason why is that Camacho had become just a pure boxer by that time who was unwilling to engage. He would have never settled down on his punches for power. He would have implemented a lot of lower body movement, thereby making him very difficult for Sanchez to hit.
The Camacho i'm talking about is the one that beat Rafael Bazooka Limon, Jose Luiz Ramirez, Rafael Solis & Cornealous Boza Edwards (Camacho's speed just plain shut out the opposition & he also had pop in his punches).
By the way, the Camacho that fought Edwin Rosario would not have lost to Sanchez (if anything I give it a toss up). And he did not fight Edwin Rosario flat-footed, he was sticking & moving, it so happened that when he momentarily stopped, Rosario got him with a hook. But the fact that he was not even knocked down & that he rebounded & started sticking & moving again was a credit to him. Edwin Rosario applied a lot of pressure & can BANG! Remember this was at lightweight 135 lbs, 2 divisions higher than what Sanchez fought. I am a fan of Salvadore Sanchez. Please take into account that Macho was at a higher wgt & had tremendous hand & foot speed, was a southpaw & can punch.
You can dismiss the 140 Camacho out of the equation since Sanchez only fought as a featherwgt & most likely he would've moved up to 130 lbs. So it really makes no sense in referring to the 140 lbs Macho.
i say no! The flat-footed boxer/puncher camacho wouldn't have stood a chance against salvador sanchez because he would have been too strong and too fast for hector.
"macho" would have gotten clipped at some point in the fight. In addition, the more he would have sat down on his punches for power, the highly the likelihood of him being caught in one of the exchanges.
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lol please hector was crazy talented in his prime
Exactly. I would favor prime/healthy Camacho over Sanchez. Too fast/skilled and at 135 had decent pop as well.
The flatfooted Camacho was a wlterwgt past his prime, the matchup we are talking about is the Super Featherwgt & Lightwgt, since Sanchez eventually was going to move up from 126 lbs to 130 lbs. So you can't count the 147 lbs version. And no way in hell would Sanchez be faster than Camacho at 130 lbs & 135 lbs!I don't know which Hector Camacho you are referring to but I'm referring to the 135 lbs boxer/puncher Hector Camacho who faced Edwin Rosario in 1986 by squaring up flat-footed and who was clipped and badly hurt several times by him throughout the bout. That version of Camacho would have lost to Sanchez at 130.
I'll grant you that Camacho would have had the size advantage because he has never competed at the 126 lbs weight division as a pro. However post Rosario, the 140 Camacho would have stood a much better chance of defeating Sanchez, due to his defensive prowess and his unwillingness and reluctance to exchange punches with him.
The reason why is that Camacho had become just a pure boxer by that time who was unwilling to engage. He would have never settled down on his punches for power. He would have implemented a lot of lower body movement, thereby making him very difficult for Sanchez to hit.
Sanchez would have found a way to get on the inside and outwork Camacho. Hector had blazing hand speed and it would be a great fight, no doubt. But I see Sanchez wearing him down and getting to him in the later rounds via UD.Yes, while it is true that he had blazing hand speed. However he just wouldn't have enough punching power to keep Sanchez off him.
Sanchez would have found a way to get on the inside and outwork Camacho. Hector had blazing hand speed and it would be a great fight, no doubt. But I see Sanchez wearing him down and getting to him in the later rounds via UD.
I don't know which Hector Camacho you are referring to but I'm referring to the 135 lbs boxer/puncher Hector Camacho who faced Edwin Rosario in 1986 by squaring up flat-footed and who was clipped and badly hurt several times by him throughout the bout. That version of Camacho would have lost to Sanchez at 130.
I'll grant you that Camacho would have had the size advantage because he has never competed at the 126 lbs weight division as a pro. However post Rosario, Camacho would have stood a much better chance of defeating Sanchez, due to his defensive prowess and his unwillingness and reluctance to exchange punches with him.
The reason why is that Camacho had become just a pure boxer by that time who was unwilling to engage. He would have never settled down on his punches for power. He would have implemented a lot of lower body movement, thereby making him very difficult for Sanchez to hit.
I say no! The flat-footed boxer/puncher Camacho wouldn't have stood a chance against Salvador Sanchez because he would have been too strong and too fast for Hector.
The flatfooted Camacho was a wlterwgt past his prime, the matchup we are talking about is the Super Featherwgt & Lightwgt, since Sanchez eventually was going to move up from 126 lbs to 130 lbs. So you can't count the 147 lbs version. And no way in hell would Sanchez be faster than Camacho at 130 lbs & 135 lbs!
In my opinion no. Sanchez would easily beat him. It wouldn't be a close fight and Camacho would do a lot of holding and running. When ever Camacho fought a very high quality fighter in their prime like Chavez or Trinidad he ran and lost every round. Sanchez was a very high quality fighter. Camacho was never stopped and he would go the full distance with Sanchez.
Hmmm...don't be so sure Dog, the prime Camacho was a super Featherwgt (130 lbs) & Lightwgt(135 lbs). See his fights with Melvin Paul, Luis Burke, Rafael Bazooka Limon, Boza Edwards, Edwin Rosario, Rafael Solis, & Jose Luiz Ramirez, Greg Coverson & Ray Mancini.
The Camacho that fought Trinidad & Oscar didn't have the movement that he had at 130 & 135 lbs, was past his prime & this was at welterwgt (147 lbs). His best wgt was 130 & 135 lbs.
A fight with Sanchez & Camacho with both in their prime would've been off the chains!!!