Why does GGG get a pass for ducking Andre Ward?

he obviously does not coz you all just wouldn't shut the **** up about it for the thousandth time

Thank you for this link. We have read it, although it appears you have not. Nowhere in the article does Golovkin say he will fight any super middleweight, at the full super middleweight limit, regardless of who they are or what the purse would be. When asked about Ward, Golovkin says, "maybe." The article claims that Golovkin's PROMOTER said he was willing to put Golovkin in with anyone fighting from 154-168, but that doesn't necessarily mean there wouldn't be a catchweight. Also, the things a promoter does and says when he's desperate, as he was in 2012, doesn't mean the promoter can't change his stance years later when his fighter is now a star and has more leverage. Ward didn't want the fight at 168 when Golovkin was a nobody, Golovkin didn't want the fight at 168 when he was a somebody. If one is a ducker, so is the other. If the complaint is that Golovkin wasn't willing to make the same concessions when he was a star as he would have made when he wasn't a star, you're going to have a lot of fighters to complain about because that's how the sport has always worked. Thank you for this link. We have read it, although it appears you have not. Golovkin says he would consider 168 for a big pay-per-view fight, not that he would fight any super middleweight regardless of the purse. Golovkin is a bigger draw on PPV than Ward. If Ward wanted the full 168 limit, he couldn't have a 50/50 split. He needed to give one one or the other once Golovkin was the bigger star. Had Ward not turned down the fight years prior, 50/50 at 168 could have happened. This is not a criticism of Ward. Fighting Golovkin has made sense at times. Golovkin fighting Ward has made sense at times. It's never made sense for both of them at the same time, which is why the fight never happened. Ward moved to light heavyweight a year and a half before this video. So Golovkin is ducking a guy two weight classes above him? Doesn't make any sense. This is a solid post. I think one thing that's important for people to remember is wasn't the Ward offer similar to Kov where it was two tune ups with a fight a year-year and a half out? Ward had just fought on BET with like 200k people watching. GGG was getting ready to fight Lemuiex on PPV and his team was banking on him being a bigger star than he turned out to be. Also they were thinking they'd get Cotto or Canelo in the near future. It'd be stupid to accept a 50/50 fight with a guy rebuilding his career when you believe you have a star on your roster. Having said all that I don't think GGG's team really wanted to fight, but you can't duck a guy outside of your division. I mean Ward said he'd go to heavyweight but I don't see people crucifying him saying he's ducking Joshua, and rightfully so.

jubei disproved this already with facts, the conversation/topic is over. they should have made his thread a stickied one to stop this topic ever coming back again. the only problem is jubeis post contains very few facts

Thats the thing i don't get, they are now telling me that a Ward v GGG fight didn't make sense why? Because Ward is a threat to GGG. But no its because he wanted to unify, but he didn't actually beat anyone to unify his belts, he was given the belt. At the end of the day GGG ducked the Ward fight, GGG is a businessman like the rest of them. GGG is worse because he had this "I only want to fight" sort of thing, but as soon as the money fight comes he does the same thing that all of them do (Duck a threat so he doesn't lose because he gets his money fight). I understand all of that from the beginning, but i would never stop calling all these trolls out on it. Don't even know what this biased poster is harping about. How can you call it ducking when they are not in the same division? So he bragged about fighting guys in the surrounding divisions. So effing what? Boxers say the darnedest things to promote themselves. Lara called out the Jacobs/Quillin winner when he was promoting his Zaveck fight. Jacobs beat Quillin a week later after the Zaveck/Lara fight. And we've never heard from Lara again. Did you call him out for his BS?

LOL i've already posted the video about 3 times but here you go anyway... He talks about the offer in "late 2014, early 15) Lol at this guy using a video that barely said anything about offers that were non existent. Everyone knows Ward could barely straighten things out with Gossen at that time. http://www.************.com/2014/09/no-offers-made-to-golovkin/ No offers made to Golovkin (Boxing news 24) September 3rd, 2014 excerpts: "The WBC, which Cotto represent has already said that the winner of the Marco Antonio Rubio and Golovkin. In my opinion, regardless of the winner, there won’t be any offers made. Cotto would probably sooner vacate and fight Canelo Alvarez for a bigger pay day. The only serious offer Golovkin got was from Top Rank when he was to fight Chavez in July of this year. Golovkin signed his contract, but Top Rank gummed up the fight when they tried to get Chavez to sign a contract extension. Andre Ward is a whole other situation in itself. Yes Andre Ward has said he will fight Golovkin but there has been no contracts issued. No offers made. Only talk. But before Ward can talk about fighting, he needs to get on the same page with his promoter Dan Gossen. Ward has only had two fights since he emerged victorious from the super six tournament (Chad Dawson and Edwin Rodriguez)."

If you never did then i commend you, but for 4 years on here i had posters who criticise other fighters for the same thing that GGG did. This is a great sport, but at the professional level, business is always going to be the priority. But very few fighters do the same thing Golovkin did, which is unify the three most prestigious championships in his division. If everybody was doing what Golovkin did, the sport would be a lot better off. Golovkin's promoter in 2012 saying he'd match Golovkin with anybody from 154-168 does not obligate Golovkin to fight any 168 pounder for any purse until the end of time. Ward could have had a catchweight for an even split of the money or the full 168 limit with Golovkin getting a higher split. There is no doubt Golovkin is the bigger PPV attraction. Golovkin shouldn't be expected to take a bad deal now just because five years ago his promoter was desperate and willing to take the short end of the stick.

You will never see me criticizing someone for taking the biggest fight possible. . If you never did then i commend you, but for 4 years on here i had posters who criticise other fighters for the same thing that GGG did. They call others ducker/chicken etc, they criticise others if they move networks for a better pay, if they swerve a fight for a guarantee win whilst getting paid more. Now when GGG did the same thing, they tried to make excuses and defend him. If GGG didn't come out and say anyone from 154-168 then no one would hold him to it. But like i said 5 years ago GGG and other boxers are the same (They would duck a threat and make excuses when it fits and GGG ducking Ward is not a shock to me). when you don't look at colour, heritage, nationality, fighting style etc to judge anyone then you would see things with an unbiase eye.

LOL @ all these people acting like him unifying a bad Middleweight division is something special. The Canelo fight is his biggest challenge easily and that's a guy who has only just moved into the weight class. If Ward stayed at SMW and didn't fight Kovalev, the same people who are defending Golovkin for doing it would be calling him out saying he's scared and doesn't want the fight :lol1: It happened with Kovalev before they fought, then they shut up once he beat him 2x. The bottom line is - When he and his team were offered 50-50 they turned it down straight away and said "maybe in 4 years" :nonono: That's a duck sorry but it is. Thats the thing i don't get, they are now telling me that a Ward v GGG fight didn't make sense why? Because Ward is a threat to GGG. But no its because he wanted to unify, but he didn't actually beat anyone to unify his belts, he was given the belt. At the end of the day GGG ducked the Ward fight, GGG is a businessman like the rest of them. GGG is worse because he had this "I only want to fight" sort of thing, but as soon as the money fight comes he does the same thing that all of them do (Duck a threat so he doesn't lose because he gets his money fight). I understand all of that from the beginning, but i would never stop calling all these trolls out on it.

Or you can try using your brain instead of being an imbecile like the majority of the trolls and fools on this forum. Again put your pon pon down, you sound butthurt like you are GGG's wife :rofl::rofl:.

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york/boxing/post/_/id/1193/middleweight-golovkin-says-hell-fight-anyone-at-154160-168 Thank you for this link. We have read it, although it appears you have not. Nowhere in the article does Golovkin say he will fight any super middleweight, at the full super middleweight limit, regardless of who they are or what the purse would be. When asked about Ward, Golovkin says, "maybe." The article claims that Golovkin's PROMOTER said he was willing to put Golovkin in with anyone fighting from 154-168, but that doesn't necessarily mean there wouldn't be a catchweight. Also, the things a promoter does and says when he's desperate, as he was in 2012, doesn't mean the promoter can't change his stance years later when his fighter is now a star and has more leverage. Ward didn't want the fight at 168 when Golovkin was a nobody, Golovkin didn't want the fight at 168 when he was a somebody. If one is a ducker, so is the other. If the complaint is that Golovkin wasn't willing to make the same concessions when he was a star as he would have made when he wasn't a star, you're going to have a lot of fighters to complain about because that's how the sport has always worked. http://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-ill-154-168-only-big-ppv-fight--80225 Thank you for this link. We have read it, although it appears you have not. Golovkin says he would consider 168 for a big pay-per-view fight, not that he would fight any super middleweight regardless of the purse. Golovkin is a bigger draw on PPV than Ward. If Ward wanted the full 168 limit, he couldn't have a 50/50 split. He needed to give one one or the other once Golovkin was the bigger star. Had Ward not turned down the fight years prior, 50/50 at 168 could have happened. This is not a criticism of Ward. Fighting Golovkin has made sense at times. Golovkin fighting Ward has made sense at times. It's never made sense for both of them at the same time, which is why the fight never happened. http://www.fighthype.com/news/article25759.html Ward moved to light heavyweight a year and a half before this video. So Golovkin is ducking a guy two weight classes above him? Doesn't make any sense.

We googled it and can't find it. Maybe you are smarter than we are. Please show us where Golovkin said he would fight any super middleweight, at the super middleweight limit, regardless of who they were or what the purses would be. Thank you for your time. LOL Do I really have to do this for you. Google it. I could find a million links but i'm getting tired of this topic now to be honest with you. Really no more to say here. http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york/boxing/post/_/id/1193/middleweight-golovkin-says-hell-fight-anyone-at-154160-168 http://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-ill-154-168-only-big-ppv-fight--80225 http://www.fighthype.com/news/article25759.html

Please show us where he said he would fight any super middleweight, at the super middleweight limit, regardless of who they were or what the purses would be. All you gotta do is google it bro, it's all out there. We googled it and can't find it. Maybe you are smarter than we are. Please show us where Golovkin said he would fight any super middleweight, at the super middleweight limit, regardless of who they were or what the purses would be. Thank you for your time.

Because Ward was already 2 divisions above him: Had we'd still been active at 168 then he would have a point This. I don't think anyone truly believed he was gonna beat Ward, and DAMN SURE not after he stopped Kovalev. Just being unbiased, and not really having a dog in the race, never really held it against him. Fighting a bigger guy is already tough, but when you're more of the brawler, while the bigger guys is the slicker, technical boxer type, that's a mountain to climb. GGG's good, but not Duran, good.

Only because everyone knew that he was waiting on a payday with Canelo.

It's sad this gets dragged on after what ward went on to do against kovalev lol LOL i'm done with the thread at this point but people keep coming at me :lol1:

Please show us where he said he would fight any super middleweight, at the super middleweight limit, regardless of who they were or what the purses would be. Golovkin is a great champion of the WBC WBA IBF and has always shown the utmost courage and sportsmanship. When Golovkin and Ward were 160 and 168 pound champions, Golovkin agreed to face Ward at 164 with a 50/50 purse split. That is not ducking. When people cry wolf about ducking, it allows the real duckers (like Canelo) to get away with it. We don't want it both ways. If Ward was comfortable making super middleweight, it would have been preferable for him to continue to unify the division. It is agreed that Ward was pressured by HBO to move up and HBO should be criticized for that. Fighters should fight in whatever weight class they are most comfortable fighting in. There is a double standard sometimes and it's not fair, but to call Golovkin a ducker isn't fair either. When he was desperate for a big fight and willing to face 168 pounders, Ward was either unavailable or uninterested. It was only later, when Golovkin had become a star and no longer needed to chase guys in other divisions, that suddenly Ward was interested, but Ward wasn't willing to cave on money or weight. He wanted both his way. Which is fine, but it doesn't make Golovkin a ducker if he says no thank you. All you gotta do is google it bro, it's all out there. There's a million different people they went to saying he would fight anyone from 154 to 168. You guys are taking this totally wrong. I don't dislike Golovkin, i'm just putting out the fact that he avoided the fight. He said he would fight anyone at 168 then got offered the Ward fight at 168, rejected it straight away then went to the media with his excuses. Just say you didn't want it. Don't say you'll do something you won't do. I wouldn't call Canelo a ducker because he's gone up a division and is fighting GGG. Not saying Golovkin's a ducker either but that's something he's not willing to do. I don't mind him staying in his division, just don't go to the media/fans and say one thing and do another behind the scenes. He said he would fight anyone at 168, that most people were scared of him and he couldn't get fights. But it's clear at this point that was total BS. They paint him as the boogeyman, if you're the boogeyman you should be willing to fight the absolute toughest guys and move up. Nowhere and in no way did I call GGG a ducker, i'm just stating facts that he avoided this fight. Which is a proven fact at this point, he was offered a 50-50 split at 168 on two occasions and immediately rejected both offers. The money was more than fair - 50-50, the weight was only 1 division up (how many JMW's has he made come up to 160?) and he turned it down. I understand if he doesn't want to go up in weight but then don't call him "great" because nearly all of the greats did this. Some of them have gone up 3-4-5 weight classes and this guy can't go up 1? Not hating on him for it but let's be honest, a lot of other fighters get killed in the media for doing things like this, while people's "favorite" few others get a pass.

It's sad this gets dragged on after what ward went on to do against kovalev lol

GGG avoided Andre like the plague... We know he boxed the ears off kovalev .. GGG would have been much easier to control and smother .. We got Ward teaching one boogieman a lesson, let's move on and if he wants to move up and get it so be it

it's a duck because he said he would fight anyone from 154-168 then backtracked when the top dog called him out. Please show us where he said he would fight any super middleweight, at the super middleweight limit, regardless of who they were or what the purses would be. Golovkin is a great champion of the WBC WBA IBF and has always shown the utmost courage and sportsmanship. I'm not calling him a ducker in general, but he did duck Ward. When Golovkin and Ward were 160 and 168 pound champions, Golovkin agreed to face Ward at 164 with a 50/50 purse split. That is not ducking. When people cry wolf about ducking, it allows the real duckers (like Canelo) to get away with it. I like both guys but i'm not really a big fan of either. It's just funny to me how some guys are made to move up and get pressured into big fights, then there's guys who can fight anyone, not move up, take easy fights and they get praised for it. You can't have it both ways. We don't want it both ways. If Ward was comfortable making super middleweight, it would have been preferable for him to continue to unify the division. It is agreed that Ward was pressured by HBO to move up and HBO should be criticized for that. Fighters should fight in whatever weight class they are most comfortable fighting in. There is a double standard sometimes and it's not fair, but to call Golovkin a ducker isn't fair either. When he was desperate for a big fight and willing to face 168 pounders, Ward was either unavailable or uninterested. It was only later, when Golovkin had become a star and no longer needed to chase guys in other divisions, that suddenly Ward was interested, but Ward wasn't willing to cave on money or weight. He wanted both his way. Which is fine, but it doesn't make Golovkin a ducker if he says no thank you.

You need to provide evidence for these blatant lies bro. There were no such offers other than the fake one. Give us exact dates when those offers were made. It's not hard to fact check them. LOL i've already posted the video about 3 times but here you go anyway... He talks about the offer in "late 2014, early 15) Here he talks about the offer in September 2015 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-3242537/Andre-Ward-slams-Gennady-Golovkin-rejecting-fight-offer.html "Boxing's not hard, if you want to fight me and I want to fight you, it's easy" - Andre Ward Even GGG's own promoter was quoted as saying "It would have been a bad idea to do it". Basically admitting that he knows what would've happened. If you guys still think he wanted the fight I don't know what to tell you :dunno: