Bob Arum "Something is mentally disturbing Fred Roach, I paid him and sent his check"

I strongly doubt Horn beats Spence or Thurman, in sheer skill. I have doubts that Horn is smart enough to beat Bradley. Tough, yes. Smarter, not sure. Porter/Horn as I've said is a straight toss up that I can't call. "Any welterweight?" No. 80% of the current welters? Yes. Those are strictly The Bobfather's thoughts and not mine :lol1: I agree, Spence/Thurman would beat him the other two would be closer.

Definitely not for guy's getting ripped off, but Manny is silly. Every one of Bob's stars leave and build their own platform once they get big enough(Floyd, Cotto, De La Hoya). He stays on to get anally violated :pat: I agree it's a sad situation really, but the real problem is the people he has around him don't have his best interests at heart (Koncz works for Top Rank, and Roach just wants to get paid). I feel like he should've left The Bobfather years ago but it's obvious that he either wasn't smart enough to do it or couldn't for whatever reason. Regardless, now he's at the end of his career and not even getting paid :nonono: I'm starting to believe more and more the conspiracy theory that Bob does indeed have something on Manny. Could it be some level of proof on the rumored PED use? Something else? Or maybe it's just the fact that Manny came from the gutters of a third world country with absolutely nothing, and is blindingly loyal to Arum because Bob promoted him along the way of becoming one of the highest grossing fighters in the history of the sport. As lowly as most of us think of Bob, it's not at all far fetched to think that Manny feels forever indebted to him. But it's one of the two. It has to be. Either Manny is incredibly blinded by loyalty or Bob has something on him.

What the f*ck?

Ive been one of the few guys on here critical of Roach effectiveness in the corner. Roach used Manny, its Roach ego mania and jealousy, anyone who got close to Manny or got credit for helping Manny, Roach kicked them to the curb and told Pac to fire them. Pac was getting close with Micheal Moorer and listening to him more and Roach fired him claiming the gym people thought he was rude. Next was Alex Ariza, Roach got jealous in one interview he said Manny never bought me a matching engraved Rolex or lets me stay at his mansion, Ariza and Manny were really close, Pac out of respect for Roach fired Ariza becaue Manny loyalty was with Roach. I hope Manny lets go of Roach, gets iwth Teddy Atlas or Virgil Hunter for his next fight and retire. Roach ruined Pacs career, he taught him nothing. ask any trainer, and they say Manny made Roach. the only people who like Roach are the Hollywood actors and celebs who sympathize with him. Roach is trying to make Pac the bad guy in the media slandering him saying Manny never paid him, yet Manny countered and said Top Rank pays Roach not me. Roach wanted that extra side money, well Pac shouldn't Pay Roach after Roach was slandering him and didnt ride with him in this horn fight. Pac should have done this long ago. All Roach does is talk chit to fighters predicting knockouts and collects a check. It's too bad Manny Stewart isn't around any more he would be a great trainer for PAC.

It was Bob that was furious. I'll never forget how fvcking shady that was. The Vision Quest people came through and found all of mannys info stashed in random cardboard boxes and whatnot. It was super shady. And yeah he probably feels some kind of weird loyalty to him. He's been in the game for too to not know there's snakes. I mean, there was that and also when they published all his purses from the NSAC which showed his purses were like $8 million when The Bobfather was telling everyone he was earning $20-30 million. If he won't leave after that then he's not going to leave at all. Speaking of Roach, I just saw an interview with him after the Horn fight and he looks like he's seriously badly struggling. I know he's got parkinson's and all that, but wasn't he saying years ago that he wanted to retire and he's still here. People were criticizing him for not doing more in Pacquiao's corner but at this point I really don't think there's much if anything more he can do. Pacquiao and him really should've both retired by now but won't want to go out on a loss. So he's gonna keep fighting, but who's he really gonna fight to improve his legacy much at this point? And the Bobfather will keep screwing him over until the end :nonono:

Arum said something is wrong with Roach brain, and he said that he wrote the check for Roach already. So Roach is trying to slander Manny saying Manny hasnt paid him, hmmm Roach has been getting double checks, so Manny had enough and aint giving out his pocket extra to Roach, so Pac was telling the truth that Arum is in charge of paying Roach. Arum has been cutting the check for Roach for the last fights, and Roach said Manny and him have NO contract, yet Manny pays him big amounts of money and the Floyd fight was super huge couple million that Manny gave to Roach. So Greedy Roach has been getting paid very well first from Top Rank and then some extra under the table from Manny. Manny should have kicked this dude to the curb now Roach is slandering him hard, pac should just get iwth Teddy Atlas and retire after one or two more fights. Dam Roach just got exposed bad, Pacs team is so disorganized with snakes. Here is the video of Arum saying he paid Roach already When he said there is something wrong with Roach's brain he was starting a fact. Roach has Parkinson's disease.

Pac said he didn't get paid yet. Arum sent the check after Pac and Roach said they did not get their checks yet.

I remember Vision Quest, was it Bob or Koncz that fired them? LOL. Probably because he's came up with Bob and can't see himself going anywhere else, I think it's also because he was dirt poor growing up so he's always going to be loyal to him. Still, he should've noticed that he's getting screwed by now. I'm sure Bob has dirt on him (He will know about possible PED use, cheating, his finances and other things). He could still leave even at this point, but with him losing to Horn as soon as his contract expired will make him want to re-sign for a rematch. :poke: It was Bob that was furious. I'll never forget how fvcking shady that was. The Vision Quest people came through and found all of mannys info stashed in random cardboard boxes and whatnot. It was super shady. And yeah he probably feels some kind of weird loyalty to him. He's been in the game for too to not know there's snakes.

I just watched the clip and their statements dont even conflict. This whole thread is stupid. Freddy says he hasnt been paid yet Next, Arum says he wrote the check and mailed it yesterday.... Freddy doesnt have the check yet. Both COULD be telling the truth. Dude thats not even the point of the thread, you didnt even bother reading :pat:

Smh. His adviser answers to Bob Arum. Not a conflict of interest there lol :pat: I don't think he's that slow(Or maybe he is). I remember he got the Vision Quest people to go through his finances and Bob told him to fire them. I don't know why such a warrior allows himself to be bytched around by this old guy. Maybe Bob's got some dirt somewhere on him. IDK. It seems weird. I remember Vision Quest, was it Bob or Koncz that fired them? LOL. Probably because he's came up with Bob and can't see himself going anywhere else, I think it's also because he was dirt poor growing up so he's always going to be loyal to him. Still, he should've noticed that he's getting screwed by now. I'm sure Bob has dirt on him (He will know about possible PED use, cheating, his finances and other things). He could still leave even at this point, but with him losing to Horn as soon as his contract expired will make him want to re-sign for a rematch. :poke:

LOL..so why is roach asking manny for money? Because Manny is generous with his money, Roach said it that he and Manny have no contract, now all of a sudden Manny owes him money? Roach is greedy he wants that extra dip he gets from Manny on the side, for that Mayweather fighter Roach even bragged saying this was a large sum of money that Manny gave him. Manny pays Roach millions and has been, with no contract out of generously and grateful loyalty. Its a shame Roach never shown that loyalty back, even Atlas had Mannys back more than Roach. Trainers are supposed to be there for their fighter, would you see Virgil Hunter or Teddy Atlas over there claiming the other guy won or even knock their fighter like that?

I agree it's a sad situation really, but the real problem is the people he has around him don't have his best interests at heart (Koncz works for Top Rank, and Roach just wants to get paid). I feel like he should've left The Bobfather years ago but it's obvious that he either wasn't smart enough to do it or couldn't for whatever reason. Regardless, now he's at the end of his career and not even getting paid :nonono: Smh. His adviser answers to Bob Arum. Not a conflict of interest there lol :pat: I don't think he's that slow(Or maybe he is). I remember he got the Vision Quest people to go through his finances and Bob told him to fire them. I don't know why such a warrior allows himself to be bytched around by this old guy. Maybe Bob's got some dirt somewhere on him. IDK. It seems weird.

Time to Lynch Roach. Off with his head!! He has been piggy back riding Pac for a whole decade now. The guy is over rated. It's Pac who made him who he is. Pac doesn't need him. This degenerate has no loyalty. Pac might gone slower since Roach mits work is slowing down due to his parkinson's. The guy can't even tell how to react to an obvious head butt, elbow strikes to save Manny's life. Time to go Roach. Ive been one of the few guys on here critical of Roach effectiveness in the corner. Roach used Manny, its Roach ego mania and jealousy, anyone who got close to Manny or got credit for helping Manny, Roach kicked them to the curb and told Pac to fire them. Pac was getting close with Micheal Moorer and listening to him more and Roach fired him claiming the gym people thought he was rude. Next was Alex Ariza, Roach got jealous in one interview he said Manny never bought me a matching engraved Rolex or lets me stay at his mansion, Ariza and Manny were really close, Pac out of respect for Roach fired Ariza becaue Manny loyalty was with Roach. I hope Manny lets go of Roach, gets iwth Teddy Atlas or Virgil Hunter for his next fight and retire. Roach ruined Pacs career, he taught him nothing. ask any trainer, and they say Manny made Roach. the only people who like Roach are the Hollywood actors and celebs who sympathize with him. Roach is trying to make Pac the bad guy in the media slandering him saying Manny never paid him, yet Manny countered and said Top Rank pays Roach not me. Roach wanted that extra side money, well Pac shouldn't Pay Roach after Roach was slandering him and didnt ride with him in this horn fight. Pac should have done this long ago. All Roach does is talk chit to fighters predicting knockouts and collects a check.

Definitely not for guy's getting ripped off, but Manny is silly. Every one of Bob's stars leave and build their own platform once they get big enough(Floyd, Cotto, De La Hoya). He stays on to get anally violated :pat: I agree it's a sad situation really, but the real problem is the people he has around him don't have his best interests at heart (Koncz works for Top Rank, and Roach just wants to get paid). I feel like he should've left The Bobfather years ago but it's obvious that he either wasn't smart enough to do it or couldn't for whatever reason. Regardless, now he's at the end of his career and not even getting paid :nonono:

Bob said he paid Freddie TODAY. When Freddie said he hadn't gotten paid he was telling the truth. That's what I was thinking too. Roach said he wasn't paid yesterday but Arum said he paid him TODAY. How are people missing this. BTW, Pacquaio's entire team is probably suffering from dementia. Arum is older than god, Roach has Parkinson's induced dementia and pugulistic dementia....And Manny has been KO'd cold as well as been in brutal wars. As far as Justin Fortune goes...well, he's just a natural born retard.

That's why we call him The Bobfather :hail: he has Manny on a string. Pacquiao will be fighting for at least another 2 years mark my words. Definitely not for guy's getting ripped off, but Manny is silly. Every one of Bob's stars leave and build their own platform once they get big enough(Floyd, Cotto, De La Hoya). He stays on to get anally violated :pat:

LOL..so why is roach asking manny for money?

It's hard to know who to believe when there's Roach and Arum involved. Two of the biggest bullsh1tters in the game, plus Arum is a con artist. I just watched the clip and their statements dont even conflict. This whole thread is stupid. Freddy says he hasnt been paid yet Next, Arum says he wrote the check and mailed it yesterday.... Freddy doesnt have the check yet. Both COULD be telling the truth.

This is one of those threads again where we take Arum's word as gospel? sure, hes a trustworthy guy, right?

It's hard to know who to believe when there's Roach and Arum involved. Two of the biggest bullsh1tters in the game, plus Arum is a con artist.