Manny did not want to fight Horn, said it was his last fight with Top Rank

Pacquaio is sick of Bobfather's constant pressure. Not a convenient way for the Philippino fighter who just wants to fight at his own schedule when he sees fit. It must be like being pushed against your will. It's terrible. He probably felt like he's a full time fighter, not a govt official.

Sounds about right. No way did Horn win more than 4 rounds of that fight

Dumb premise. First of all if this was the last fight on the Top Rank Contract, then it would have suited Arum better if Manny won. Most contracts have automatic triggers for extensions if you win a championship fight. Since Manny lost, that could theoretically give him the freedom to actually leave Top Rank (if that was really the last fight on his current contract). Also, lets be honest. TR has probably lost a lot of money on Manny in 2 out of his last 3 fights, especially the Bradley fight. I don't think Arum really has much incentive to trap Manny. Lastly, and most importantly, Manny has made hundreds of millions of dollars with Top Rank. If he has financial problems its because of his own decisions like throwing his personal money around to try to fix poverty in his country, using his personal money to fund campaigns for himself and his relatives instead of fundraising, etc. Those causes may be more respectable that buying multiple Bentleys and spending 6 figures on a weeknight in the strip club, but they are still irresponsible financial decisions. Can't call a premise dumb when you offer just another premise. One, what if Arum doesn't want to re-sign him?! Two, your second reason supports my one. Three, you have no idea how much Pacquiao made with TR. Based on what they submitted on paper, it's a fraction of what was told to the public.

Manny got taken advantage of because he's ignorant and stupid.

Dumb premise. First of all if this was the last fight on the Top Rank Contract, then it would have suited Arum better if Manny won. Most contracts have automatic triggers for extensions if you win a championship fight. Since Manny lost, that could theoretically give him the freedom to actually leave Top Rank (if that was really the last fight on his current contract). Also, lets be honest. TR has probably lost a lot of money on Manny in 2 out of his last 3 fights, especially the Bradley fight. I don't think Arum really has much incentive to trap Manny. Lastly, and most importantly, Manny has made hundreds of millions of dollars with Top Rank. If he has financial problems its because of his own decisions like throwing his personal money around to try to fix poverty in his country, using his personal money to fund campaigns for himself and his relatives instead of fundraising, etc. Those causes may be more respectable that buying multiple Bentleys and spending 6 figures on a weeknight in the strip club, but they are still irresponsible financial decisions.

I think the Pacman is angry. He was treated by Bobfather like he's a nobody. Bobfather gave him ultimatum when Pac wanted to take his time and decide his own schedule convenient to his govt position. The senator have a hard time saying no to "Bobfather" doe. It's incredible! A senator can't say no. Bobfather gives him a deadline and the senator panics. Unbelievable!

He nearly signed with GBP way back in the day, didn't he? Didn't Arum take Oscar to court for it or something? This was back before the DLH fight. I remember Lampley talking about it as Pacquiao and Oscar were making their ring walks. I wonder how his career woulda turned out if he went with GBP instead of Bob

I've avoided Pac/Horn threads in the past few days because I don't feel like arguing about this bullshyt but I like thsi one. While I feel that the outcome was the result of incompetent judging, if I were to put on my Alex Jones hat, I'd run with this idea. Arum is very much about keeping the gears turning. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

bob been using pac man and exploiting his kindness. pac man allowed it, he shoulda signed with Floyd lol

He looked...resigned. Perfect word for how he looked, dazed. He did look totally and utterly resigned.

Pacquiao lost, I know its hard for some people to swallow but he did. Mannys his own man, if he wants to fight Horn again sign the extension with Bob, if he dont there are other options. Like some have mentioned, he could fight Khan, or even the Broner vs. Garcia winner. Its not like Pac was an un-defeated fighter. Hell Pac could even fight the Cotto vs Kamagei winner.

I think it was a combination of things. One being the realization that he's just not what he used to be. At all. And that it's not going to magically return. And two that he had to dig deep just to beat Jeff Horn, a guy he was supposed to mop the floor with and "stop at the time of his choosing". And he did dig deep enough to win, too. He landed the cleaner, more effective shots by a CLEAR ass margin. It was one of those life and death, close but clear wins. He won that fight. And then to not get the decision...that was a very, very low moment in his career. Taking L's to Juan Manuel Marquez and Floyd Mayweather Jr. is one thing, taking an L, controversial or not, to Jeff Horn, is quite another. Watching Horn and his team celebrate, along with 50,000 Australians...man that had to have been one bitter ass pill. The realization he got f*cked. Probably that his promoter was in on it all along. And that he keeps doing this to himself. He looked...resigned.

I think the Pacman is angry. He was treated by Bobfather like he's a nobody. Bobfather gave him ultimatum when Pac wanted to take his time and decide his own schedule convenient to his govt position.

Another good point, his body language was awful, like demoralized. I gotta wonder how much affect that will have; he looked like he was wondering why he even bothers with boxing??? I think it was a combination of things. One being the realization that he's just not what he used to be. At all. And that it's not going to magically return. And two that he had to dig deep just to beat Jeff Horn, a guy he was supposed to mop the floor with and "stop at the time of his choosing". And he did dig deep enough to win, too. He landed the cleaner, more effective shots by a CLEAR ass margin. It was one of those life and death, close but clear wins. He won that fight. And then to not get the decision...that was a very, very low moment in his career. Taking L's to Juan Manuel Marquez and Floyd Mayweather Jr. is one thing, taking an L, controversial or not, to Jeff Horn, is quite another. Watching Horn and his team celebrate, along with 50,000 Australians...man that had to have been one bitter ass pill.

A rematch with Horn means re-signing with Arum. I believe Pacquiao is dumb enough to do that. Sadly he will...

I give no sympathy to a guy making $10 million in 48 minutes, trust me. Okay lets not over exaggerate. It not just 48 minutes guys do train promote and have to pay their people as well. But I have no sympathy either, 10 mil over the course of 3 months is a good payday.

A rematch with Horn means re-signing with Arum. I believe Pacquiao is dumb enough to do that.

I don't think so. Certainly not in this case anyway. I know everyone seems to be under the impression that he "took the decision really well", and he did somewhat on the surface, but his body language was really, really low after the fight. He looked like he was going through the motions and just wanted to go crawl under a rock. And then he straight up says after the fight that "he felt set up". You don't say something like that if you're in on it. Another good point, his body language was awful, like demoralized. I gotta wonder how much affect that will have; he looked like he was wondering why he even bothers with boxing???

The funny thing is, PAC getting screwed is gonna make him tons of money. Makes me wonder if the little bastard is not in on all this stuff. I don't think so. Certainly not in this case anyway. I know everyone seems to be under the impression that he "took the decision really well", and he did somewhat on the surface, but his body language was really, really low after the fight. He looked like he was going through the motions and just wanted to go crawl under a rock. And then he straight up says after the fight that "he felt set up". You don't say something like that if you're in on it.

The funny thing is, PAC getting screwed is gonna make him tons of money. Makes me wonder if the little bastard is not in on all this stuff. Now he fights horn in a rematch and probably beats him easily like Bradley 2. Then whatta ya know there is a 3rd fight in the states and he gets paid again big money. His other option is get his azz kicked by TC to the Point where nobody would care to even see him fight again. Pac was trying to knock Horn out though. Manny just about every time loses the first round of fights nowadays, but after that, he started timing Horn and every now and again really loading up, that 9th round tells no lies. You don't press like that looking for a controversial decision. On another note, all this religion stuff should be put to rest, Pac was going for the kill.