Higher All Time: Sergio Martinez or Gennady Golovkin

Sergio fought 5 good guys out of his 50+ bouts! he won a few and he lost a few and he was given a gift against Murray. When talking about Middleweights in the history of boxing GGG will get some respect because of his outstanding amateur career and his solid punching power. He comes to fight and makes the fight happen. Watching Sergio was a bore for me, he had Junior beat and could have stopped him but never tried. To me that's not worth the ticket price. There's been plenty of boxers without big power in the past but when they have a chance to finish a fight they did! I'll pay to watch GGG, even with his limitations he still brings it! Ray

Martinez. His stand out wins are better than GGGs stand out wins plus he was a far superior boxer, it's a shame they werent closer in age, time and geography to have fought earlier. GGG beating Canelo, especially if its convincing and then combining all the belts will rnak him higher...just.

GGG Martinez was sparked early by Margarito and late by Cotto.

Not going to let you talk down on Serge like that. He was coming up from 154 where he was champion at the weight. If I'm not mistaken took Pavliks Lineal and all his belts he got from Taylor at middleweight. WBC made him vacate one of his titles, so he decided to be great and defend at 160, where he took on bigger men and KO most of them,until the 11th round of the Chavez fight. Legacy wise he should have retired then. So we talking about a 2 weight champion that was dominant in his prime. GGG ducked Ward and don't want to see Jacobs in a rematch where the smarter fighter usually makes adjustments. Maravilla better all time at the moment. The Canelo fight is what's going to separate them one way or the other.

Right now Sergio...

This topic isn't about Mayweather. Save your obsession for another thread. Gotta give you props on how you don't fall for some traps sometimes but you do mention Mayweather when it benefits you.

You just ****ted on the majority of Floyd's wins by saying that. How many prime fighters did Floyd face after 135? This topic isn't about Mayweather. Save your obsession for another thread.

Ali was well past his prime and clearly physically disabled when he fought Berbick. You can't seriously compare that to Martinez getting stopped by Margarito. You just ****ted on the majority of Floyd's wins by saying that. How many prime fighters did Floyd face after 135?

So do we rank Ali according to his losses to Berbick,Holmes?? and how he was floored by lesser fighters? or do we clearly go by his wins? Ali was well past his prime and clearly neurologically impaired when he fought Berbick. You can't seriously compare that to Martinez getting stopped by Margarito Also, Golovkin was far more dominant and impressive against their common opponents.

Let's see the canelo result first.

Gennady is higher all time Martinez is over rated, His resume isn't that impressive and really he has 2 decent names in Pavlik & Williams The rest is filler and Border line line decent at best unless you count the beat downs he received from Margarito & Cotto.

Martinez beat the sh1t out of Mackin and put on a clinic against Chavez jr..the fact he only had 9 fights at 160 makes his run that much more amazing If GGG beats Canelo he would have a much better resume. Sergio dropped by ether Barker or Macklin cant remember and Murry who won that fight. So its Mack, Barker, Murry,Dzyndzyruk,JCC,Pavlik,Williams GGG-Macklin(beat more impressive), Geale(Barker level, and beat Barker), Jacobs, Murry,Brook, Lemieux, Ishida, Rosado, Stevens, Rubio and if he beats Canelo is a much better run then Sergio had.

Sorry............................ .......................................Murray................... as for a clinic the guy he fought doesn't know how to box, don't you know that? Hey larry are you still weaving the wrong way? :boxing: Your welcome again..........:firedevil Ray

I'm pretty sure Sergio can out sing & dance GGG but in a fight GGG destroys him once Sergio stops running! Golovkin has a better record also Sergio has only 9 bouts at 160 and other than winning over Pavlik he splits with Williams and gets beat up by Cotto a blown up welter! Don't forget the Macklin bout that he clearly lost in his home country. He ran all night against Junior who couldn't box oranges on a table in a brutally bad performance. Sergio wanted no part of Golovkin and took on lil' Cotto and Junior instead. That should tell you who the better Middleweight was and is! Sergio will never be in a conversation when talking about quality Middleweights. Right now GGG is a top twenty five Middleweight in my book. Ray Martinez beat the sh1t out of Mackin and put on a clinic against Chavez jr..the fact he only had 9 fights at 160 makes his run that much more amazing

He struggled and got wobbled by a 147 euro bum With that logic since Sergio struggled against the completion GGG destroyed that 147 would have KO'd Sergio if he hurt GGG.

I'm pretty sure Sergio can out sing & dance GGG but in a fight GGG destroys him once Sergio stops running! Golovkin has a better record also Sergio has only 9 bouts at 160 and other than winning over Pavlik he splits with Williams and gets beat up by Cotto a blown up welter! Don't forget the Macklin bout that he clearly lost in his home country. He ran all night against Junior who couldn't box oranges on a table in a brutally bad performance. Sergio wanted no part of Golovkin and took on lil' Cotto and Junior instead. That should tell you who the better Middleweight was and is! Sergio will never be in a conversation when talking about quality Middleweights. Right now GGG is a top twenty five Middleweight in my book. Ray

If he beats Canelo his resume will be better. He didn't struggle with the euro bums like Sergio did and getting dropped by them. He struggled and got wobbled by a 147 euro bum

how?? Martinez was lineal and was knocking everyone out to..how is GGG's resume better? If he beats Canelo his resume will be better. He didn't struggle with the euro bums like Sergio did and getting dropped by them.

so far martinez, but GGG has everything to surpass him imo especially if he beats canelo and then unifies the last belt he needs.

Resume isn't just about who you fought, it's when you fought them and how you looked doing it. Pavlik was already past his best and going through a lot of issues by the time Martinez got to him, and it was still a life and death struggle with Martinez getting dropped along the way. Beating Danny Jacobs in his prime is at least as good of a win if not better. Jacobs would likely have beaten Martinez. Then you look at their common opponents: Macklin gave Martinez a tough fight over eleven rounds yet was stopped in three easy rounds by Golovkin, and Martin Murray arguably did enough to beat Martinez yet was totally dominated and stopped by Golovkin. The difference is clear. Even Barker gave Martinez a hard fight, and he would most likely have fared the same as Macklin in a fight with GGG. The Williams win was an impressive KO, but it's a bit of an overrated win in the grand scheme of things considering Williams was best as a 147lber. Erislandy Lara absolutely battered Williams in his next fight at 154lbs, but he doesn't get as much credit as the Martinez KO for some reason. I've always felt that Martinez - whilst clearly a very good fighter - was a touch overrated. What's funny to me is that the guys he beat during his reign were of the same level as the guys Golovkin has been beating (and more impressively, to boot), yet Golovkin somehow gets criticised for having fought "nobody", lol. If these two had have fought, there was only going to be one winner- and Martinez knew that himself.