What if he gets knocked out?
Nothing floyds legacy is sealed. Look at all he accomplished and his resume pre de la Hoya? Post de la Hoya is filled with cherry picks. If he loses by ko it's to a younger bigger guy but a prime Floyd wins easy
If Conor beats Floyd he's the guy. Conor's already a huge name in his own right. This wouldn't be some virtual unknown, but talented guy like Zahir Raheem beating Erik Morales when Erik was still doing PPV's type thing. This IS Manny beating Floyd. Or one could argue its bigger than that cuz Conor is hotter then Manny was by the time of the fight with Floyd. This is some next level sh^t thats altering the way people look at combat sports & Conor will be the high man on the hill. This would be a torch passing fight for sure & there would be massive demand for Conor to box again even if he wouldn't be considered the #1 guy at whatever weight this fight takes place at.
And if Conor wins he'll have so much power he'll be able to do whatever he wants. It'd be stupid for the UFC to fight him whatever he wanted to do at that point. They'd get a piece of the boxing money which is gonna be huge & a no risk thing for the UFC so its all found money + if they cross Conor there is always the legal route which I contend could put the UFC in a position where all their biggest names contracts could be voidable as I & more importantly many sports attorneys believe UFC contracts to be illegal. And thats not even getting into the Muhammad Ali Act out that Conor has if he choses to take it.
If he wins, he's the guy that just pulled off an astronomical upset. He isn't gonna suddenly become the unbeatable boxer that everyone wants to prove they can beat (at least not in any serious manner.)
The fact is, Conor is an MMA star, and I don't see Dana continuing to let him prod around in a whole 'other sport past the Floyd fight. It's not his sport, and he's gonna want him to come back to the octagon ASAP. Conor beating Floyd isn't gonna suddenly grant him the power to overcome being legally bind to a contract.
Both professional boxers.
If Floyd lost it would be the biggest embarrassment ever.
^^^^^^^^^ to lose to a guy in his 1st fight would ruin his legacy . Boxing would continue to lose ground to the ufc.
Not a dam thing. Mayweather is a 40 year old with an ATG track record that will not suddenly be erased.
But on the other hand, Boxing would take a big L. MMA fans would never let us live that down.
Well yea I'm not disagreeing with any of that or saying anything that would go against any of that. I'm not saying a L doesn't damage ones legacy at all. A L effects you as a boxer for sure. I'm saying the things one has done previous to that L don't get erased & the older you are when that L comes or the potential circumstances of that L impact things as well. A guy losing in his prime is gonna be more impactful in a negative way to a fighter who loses a fight when he's young or old. A guy losing a controversial decision or via some weird situation a ref mishandled isn't gonna be as negatively felt to your legacy then if you get whitewashed 0-12 or KO'd in 3 rounds after getting dropped 4 times.
I've only heard of that pedo guy in passing & don't know his work or rep in anyway whatsoever so I can't really comment on it, but maybe rubbing up on kids is one of the lines crossed where images & legacies can be corrupted equally idk. I just know a 40 year old boxer losing a fight isn't gonna f#ck THAT much with what he did at 21, 26, 31 & later in his career. This is a young mans game & Cosby in 1983 was more funny than maybe anyone in the world & however many ladies he raped can't change that fact.
Yeah, I'm not in disagreement with you either. I didn't think badly of Ali losing to Berwick or Tyson to McBride. It's only that Floyd was still pretty good at 39 so losing at 40 to a guy in he's first fight will be damaging. And on a personal note I'm gonna have to hear a lot of crap from my cousin who thinks MMA is better than boxing in every way. Fingers crossed Floyd does him in one.
LOL but yea I don't really disagree with anything you're speculating on.
I actually feel like the best thing for boxing WOULD be Floyd losing. I said the same thing about the Manny fight to. "The bad guy" finally losing is what most boxing fans wanna see. To some guy from the Philippines or to some MMA guy from Ireland don't really matter to fans I don't believe.
And I think a Conor W just ensures he fights again vs Manny, Terence Crawford, Errol Spence or Keith Thurman & gets beat by that guy & getting that "demi-god" power right back into boxing since Conor's legacy in boxing will have greatly risen & fallen right back into boxing.
If the latter 3 names is the guy who beat the guy who beat Floyd he's pretty much gonna be the next guy moving forward into boxings future.
No one's gonna become the guy just because they beat the guy who beat the guy. Chain logic like that never works. Plus, an MMA fighter like Conor coming in and defeating Floyd is such an unprecedented event that nothing will ever be able to take it away, no matter what other boxer can beat him. I mean, I think we can all agree that Floyd himself would beat him at boxing nine times out of ten, but that wouldn't matter as long as McGregor could pull out the W when it mattered.
I don't even think Dana would let him, anyway. He's not gonna just let his top star fool around in boxing forever without him finishing up his contract with him first (he currently has four fights left.) He's making an exception for Mayweather, but that's it.
I see people bringing up the name Spinks but not the right one. Leon Spinks beating Ali would have to be the closest you could possibly get and even then at least Leon was a decorated amateur even if he was a terrible pro. Still a lot consider Ali the greatest and he lost to a total novice pro while still champ who never amounted to squat.
If you can be the greatest catching a past prime loss like that then you can still be considered pretty highly with any past prime loss. It would sucks for Floyd and hurt a bit, he would certainly be the butt of many jokes and memes.
Both professional boxers.
If Floyd lost it would be the biggest embarrassment ever.
I don't see how one cash grab loss at the end of his career would damage his legacy.
The same thing that happened to Sugar Ray Leonard's legacy when he lost to Norris and Camacho.
Both professional boxers.
If Floyd lost it would be the biggest embarrassment ever.
I'd argue ones image & legacy aren't exactly the same thing. Floyd or any 35, 36, 37 year old or older P4P discussed boxers legacy is pretty much figured out by that point in his career where the downslide tends to happen for most fighters. You can't f#ck up a old guys legacy THAT much. Whats done is done.
Images are another matter & are always fluid to some degree. I mean look no further then Bill Cosby. Guy went from America's dad to America's rapist. His image got f#cked up, but I'd argue his legacy is still pretty solid. The Bill Cosby Himself comedy special is still one of the funniest comedy specials around. That can't be altered THAT much. Its funny regardless of how many chicks he may or may not have roofied.
In boxing its really easy to go back and pull apart anyone's resume by being smart in retrospect. Seriously, give me a fighter and i can do it. I remember at the time what it meant when Floyd beat Hernandez and Manfredy, Corralles ect. But it's easy to pull apart even he's best wins. Pac had been flattened by Marquez, he fought a faded Mosley, Trout handled Cotto easy and who's Trout beat otherwise?. ect. Not my opinion, but that's how easy it is. If Floyd got flattened by a guy who's having he's first match, who's never even boxed a four rounder, he's legacy will be damaged. The image at the end will effect the perception of what he's legacy actually is. He wouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt if he becomes the only champion in history beaten by a total novice . As for Bill Cosby, I'd refer you to the case of Jimmy Saville here in England. Beloved national treasure until he's death, now poster boy for high level corruption and kiddy fiddling. They even dug he's posh grave up. Theres no positive legacy, despite being the most prolific charity fundraiser ever seen in the UK. Some things do wipe out everything you ever did.
In a completely rational world, Floyd's legacy wouldn't be tarnished per se, Conor's would simply grow larger. He will have KO'ed one of the greatest P4P boxers of all time on top of what he's already accomplished in MMA. He'd look like a demi-god.
It would certainly add a whole new dimension to the whole Boxing vs MMA argument. Snobby boxing aficionados love to say that an MMA fighter could never go into boxing and be successful at the top the way a boxer could in MMA, and this would soundly disprove that. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you view it), the public might just interpret it as meaning that MMA fighters are just superior to boxers in general, and retards would probably be spitting out threads like, "How would McGregor do against Leonard or a prime Pacquiao?", etc. Boxing's image as a sport might be permanently damaged.
MCGregor only chance is to fight like Ward bull rush hit and hold make it an inside fight using elbows holding and hitting since he's an expert at that. You stand in the out side you will get picked a part
MAKE BOXING GREAT AGAIN - BE A FAN OF MEXICAN FIGHTERS, BLACK FIGHTERS, WHITE FIGHTERS, ALL FIGHTERS!!! Especially if they are fighting a UFC fighter!Hey Larry, I agree! LOL.
Honestly, no boxing fan should root for this. Even the biggest Floyd hater should want Floyd to completely make a fool of McGregor. I can't live in a world where meathead MMA fans talk about how much better MMA is than boxing
Lets put it this way - I cant imagine a true boxing fan, now matter how much they hate Floyd would want to see him lose this one. If in the rare chance that this happened, we would ALL lose. It would be the most embarrassing moment in boxing history. UFC would be boasting and then more match ups like this would take place just so that boxing could balance the ship. Having said that, this should have been a two-fight deal where one fight is under the boxing rules and the other under the UFC rules. I'm surprised the UFC side didnt demand this type of fairplay. Floyd better not lose this fight. I dont think there is a chance he will.