No point in bringing up that version of Floyd simply because Crawford ain't no Gatti, he's not a face first brawler.
Thread title........
Floyd Mayweather who destroyed GATTI vs current Crawford
I can't make this up. Some posters are legit retarded.
If you don't like the parameters why post in in thread?
And for the last time, I was referencing Floyd's own abilities and skillset at that stage in his career (vs Gatti) vs. Crawford abilities and skillset. Because I read the thread title.
Don't know why you insist on talking about Floyd @ 147 5 years later. SMH.
****ing idiot.
Only reason why I brought up Gamboa and Postol is to counter your stupidity, which dragged me into a whole other stupid debate with more stupidity.
Once again for you.
Floyd Mayweather who destroyed GATTI vs current Crawford
"Gatti" Floyd stops bud in 8 @140lbs.
"Canelo" Floyd crusies to a UD @ 152lbs.
You see how that works?
I might point out that you're an idiot for making a stupid statement on a public forum - but I'm not making threats of physical violence knowing there is a 2% chance of meeting up with an online stranger. That's some silly ****.
Nobody was threating you. There's a difference between "would" and "will". If you come with disrespect, that's what you get back. "Stupid" is when you think that Floyd would be as good against Crawford as he was against Gatti. No point in bringing up that version of Floyd simply because Crawford ain't no Gatti, he's not a face first brawler.
Saying that he would do slightly better against Floyd than Gatti is just disrespectful to Crawford's skills
What I do know is Floyd was extremely sharp and alert - also demonstrating exceptional ring IQ, footwork, timing accuracy, level of focus and executed a near perfect game plan - against Gatti - all things Crawford doesn't do on a consitent basis
I'm not comparing Bud and Floyd here and not saying that Crawford > PBF
The way Crawford struggled against Gamboa - I wouldn't be so sure he dominates Gatti - probably wins a split - maybe a TKO but no boxing lesson.
Can you watch the entire Crawford vs Gamboa fight and still say that - just watch the 1st round even. Then come back.
Man, really? That undefeated version of Gamboa > war torn Gatti
Gamboa was naturally faster and lighter than Crawford, and solid amateur background too, nobody is arguing that Gamboa has a lot of mistakes in his game and he relies on his athleticism too much, he was a solid fighter back then. Crawford had to adapt to Gamboa's style, he's a slow starter.
Just like Floyd had to adjust to Zab Judah in the first round - that what happens when you face fighters as fast as you or with a speed advantage - you have to take some time to find the distance and timing.
Crawford wasn't as dominant against Gamboa as Floyd was against Judah because there's bigger talent gap between Floyd and Zab.
And I'm the first NSB poster who saying that Crawford's resume isn't all that and overrated. His best wins are chinny small Gamboa and food store security guard Postol with no amateur experience. And some Crawford fans talking **** about me all the time here. But I have to be real - that undefeated and fast Gamboa isn't war torn no hoper brawler Gatti. Just read the old NSB threads before that fight happened to see what fans were thinking about that fight at that period of time, nobody was giving Gatti a chance. Gatti should be compared with fighters of Provodnikov or Molina's caliber, not Gamboa. He was loved by the crowd back then, but let's not pretend that wasn't a mismatch in terms of skills. Everybody knew that Gatti is going to get murdered
Because we are specifically speaking about 140 Floyd who fought Gatti. Why can't you get that through your thick skull.
Because Gatti isn't on the same level as Crawford in terms of skills. Crawford ain't no ****ing Gatti - why can't you get that through your skull too? I'm getting tired of repeating the same **** all the time. And you're basically saying that Crawford wouldn't be able to last few more rounds against Floyd than Gatti. Don't you understand that Floyd wouldn't be able to look that good against Crawford? And I'm not the only person who told you that in this thread, because it's ridiculous
And I criticize Crawford's resume often here, but I have to defend him on this one
Again Floyd @140 - why bring up welterweights? Even so yeah - Judah would perform better than Crawford because of his hand speed. Crawford is not nearly as fast as Judah. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Judah wish he had the same mentality as Crawford. Gamboa was naturally faster than Crawford too. Crawford is a better disciplined and more skilled fighter with a better arsenal and variety of punches, he's deadly in both stances too. So what if Judah has better hand speed, it's not the only thing that matters. Ask Gary Russell. Or Amir Khan
Look how people rewrite history. Yes Floyd was the favorite how ever Gatti was a proven brawler who had a size advantage. (not that pact@rds will give Floyd credit)
I don't even know why you bring up *******s here, Pacquiao got nothing to do with this thread, Crawford or Gatti. If you imply that I'm one of these *******s, tell you what - Floyd is one of my favorite fighters of all time and he's a better boxer than Pacquiao in my opinion. I call a spade a spade. If you want to know how fans were feeling about this fight, check the old threads on NSB. 95% of fans were saying it's a mismatch. Gatti was a no hoper. It was a big fight only because Gatti was loved by the crowd back then, but everybody knew what was supposed to happen. Only few fans were giving Gatti "a slugger's chance"
http://www.boxingscene.com/boxingscene-staff-predictions-arturo-gatti-vs-floyd-mayweather-jr--1427
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7167
Floyd gets blasted for domintating fighters better than postol . R u serious?
Floyd isn't getting blasted, stop being delusional, damn. Show me where I blast Floyd for anything? The point is every fighter can get hit clean, even against horrible opposition, but you just can't take these episodes out of the context like that, you have to look at the whole fight and Crawford dominated the **** out of Postol
Nobody is disrespecting Floyd. But when you imply that Floyd would be able to do the same **** to Crawford that he was doing to Gatti....That's just straight disrespectful to Bud.
Look at this message
Well that actually make no sense because Mayweather looked like that against Gatti because of Gatti's style and his own style. The Mayweather who fought Gatti now fighting Crawford would not look like the Mayweather who fought Gatti. He may look like the Mayweather who fought Corley or Judah or Mosley, who knows.
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That's exactly what I'm keep telling you. And you still don't get it
floyd who looked great vs a human punch bag....ok and how bad did floyd look vs corley getting rocked and hit cleanly over and over? please show me when floyd fought someone like crawford.....crickets. crawford has fought "slick" guys and fast guys many times. he also has the southpaw stance that floyd has trouble avoiding. hes also bigger and has more power. floyd would never take the fight so we will never know
money team would be working overtime to avoid that guy...
probably try to make him give blood in between rounds...when he turns it down, dunn can say he refused to fight
Well that actually make no sense because Mayweather looked like that against Gatti because of Gatti's style and his own style. The Mayweather who fought Gatti now fighting Crawford would not look like the Mayweather who fought Gatti. He may look like the Mayweather who fought Corley or Judah or Mosley, who knows.
You start talking **** on the internet first and I'm a pussy? You have the nerve to say that
I might point out that you're an idiot for making a stupid statement on a public forum - but I'm not making threats of physical violence knowing there is a 2% chance of meeting up with an online stranger. That's some silly ****.
Mother****er, you can't know for sure how that version of Floyd would do against Crawford, because Bud is not Gatti. Crawford wouldn't give Floyd the same opportunities
What I do know is Floyd was extremely sharp and alert - also demonstrating exceptional ring IQ, footwork, timing accuracy, level of focus and executed a near perfect game plan - against Gatti - all things Crawford doesn't do on a consitent basis
And Gatti would get John Molina's treatment against Crawford too.
The way Crawford struggled against Gamboa - I wouldn't be so sure he dominates Gatti - probably wins a split - maybe a TKO but no boxing lesson.
In case your retarded ass don't get it - it doesn't mean I say that Bud > Floyd. Floyd is a better fighter than Crawford, more accomplished.
But let's not pretend like Gatti wouldn't get murdered against Bud in the similar manner. That comparison doesn't say much.
Can you watch the entire Crawford vs Gamboa fight and still say that - just watch the 1st round even. Then come back.
Why you think that Crawford wouldn't be one of these lesser performances for Floyd? It's easier to look good against Gatti than TC
Because we are specifically speaking about 140 Floyd who fought Gatti. Why can't you get that through your thick skull.
The fact that you say that Crawford would do worse against Floyd than Baldomir, Judah ( and any other fighters who went distance with PBF) and almost putting Crawford on the same level as Gatti is stupid
Again Floyd @140 - why bring up welterweights? Even so yeah - Judah would perform better than Crawford because of his hand speed. Crawford is not nearly as fast as Judah. Correct me if I'm wrong.
One of his best performances, but let's not pretend like somebody was giving Gatti a chance back then. He's a brawler, limited, he was SUPPOSED to get slaughtered like that. It couldn't be any other way
Like Crawford was supposed to slaughter Molina
Look how people rewrite history. Yes Floyd was the favorite how ever Gatti was a proven brawler who had a size advantage. (not that pact@rds will give Floyd credit)
Steward gives a slight edge to Mayweather and is pulling for Gatti.
"I think Gatti is going to have to fight the fight of his life because as good as Gatti is and (with) all of these great and thrilling fights he has given us, I don't think he's beaten a top quality fighter like Mayweather," Steward says.
"If he wins this fight, he will prove that he can beat a top guy. I expect Mayweather to have his hands full that night
- Emanuel Steward before the fight.
Every fighter was getting hit clean at some point, even defensive genius like Floyd, so why you mention that if Bud still dominated Postol? That **** is getting retarded, stop it
Floyd gets blasted for domintating fighters better than postol . R u serious?
That beat gatti? Vs current Crawford?
Floyd by TKO 8th round.
People really don't know pretty boy Floyd.
Shltty thread. Shltty comments.
I really think Bud would give him hell think Money may wins but not easily l thoe.
castillo has great foot speed? maidana?
Didn't you see the second fights, when Floyd wants to box he does and they cant do anything about it, if he wants to stand and bang with them he allows it, don't make them have great footwork because he let them.
By the way. You must be poosie to make empty threats to strangers on the internet. ***git.
You start talking **** on the internet first and I'm a pussy? You have the nerve to say that
You stupid ****t@rd.
The thread title clearly states FLOYD THAT DESTROYED GATTI. Not floyd who faced whomever the **** you feel like it.
Mother****er, you can't know for sure how that version of Floyd would do against Crawford, because Bud is not Gatti. Crawford wouldn't give Floyd the same opportunities
And Gatti would get John Molina's treatment against Crawford too.
In case your retarded ass don't get it - it doesn't mean I say that Bud > Floyd. Floyd is a better fighter than Crawford, more accomplished.
But let's not pretend like Gatti wouldn't get murdered against Bud in the similar manner. That comparison doesn't say much.
You chose lesser performances so I will choose ****ty performances by crawford. Idiot.
Why you think that Crawford wouldn't be one of these lesser performances for Floyd? It's easier to look good against Gatti than TC
The fact that you say that Crawford would do worse against Floyd than Baldomir, Judah ( and any other fighters who went distance with PBF) and almost putting Crawford on the same level as Gatti is stupid
Go watch floyd vs gatti. A masterpiece.
One of his best performances, but let's not pretend like somebody was giving Gatti a chance back then. He's a brawler, limited, he was SUPPOSED to get slaughtered like that. It couldn't be any other way
Like Crawford was supposed to slaughter Molina
Then go watch crawford get rocked silly by no fundamental tired lowest ring IQ in history gamboa.
Then watch get hit clean by slow sorry ass postol.
Every fighter was getting hit clean at some point, even defensive genius like Floyd, so why you mention that if Bud still dominated Postol? That **** is getting retarded, stop it
castillo has great foot speed? maidana?
This guy's bizzare. He's literally just waxing poetic about Floyd's skills, like everyone already doesn't know that, when all I said was he wouldn't stop TC lol. This guy will jump all over you if you post anything about Floyd that doesn't paint him as the Messiah of boxing. It's like he's the Floyd police.
I doubt Floyd would finish TC but I can see him doing a JMM type master class, you got to have great foot speed to give Floyd problems, and that's the one department TC is not the same level as above the waist, Floyd has great legs and reflex from any position he can always punch or evade, that coordination is so very rare.
TC gets hit a fair bit and makes mistakes I like him a lot he has huge potential just wanna see him fight a few of the elite guys to see his full toolbox, we haven't seen the best of TC just yet.
I don't think foot speed is the be all, end all in giving Floyd fits. I think TC's ability to fight from either stance, fight at angles, set traps, and crack you with everything he has after he's caught you in that trap, and overall boxing ability would give Floyd plenty of fits.
And TC's not exactly slow. I have no idea where you got that from. He's faced some of the quickest, and explosive fighters in boxing, and had no problem with them. I think his ability to just see what's going on in the ring, and his own quickness would pose plenty of problems for Floyd.
TC's already beat the guy many people were saying would beat him in Postol, and no he did it in dominant fashion. That was a very level speed chess match. I don't even get what your point is. I said Floyd's not finishing TC, and anyone with half a brain would tell you the same thing. You countered with, if Floyd knew the caliber of TC, he'd step it up even higher than usual, but I corrected you in saying, Floyd's always at his highest level.
I doubt Floyd would finish TC but I can see him doing a JMM type master class, you got to have great foot speed to give Floyd problems, and that's the one department TC is not the same level as above the waist, Floyd has great legs and reflex from any position he can always punch or evade, that coordination is so very rare.
TC gets hit a fair bit and makes mistakes I like him a lot he has huge potential just wanna see him fight a few of the elite guys to see his full toolbox, we haven't seen the best of TC just yet.
castillo has great foot speed? maidana?
I get what you're saying, but TC's chin, mental strength, and skills are way too good for Floyd to finish him. Floyd's been the distance with far worse fighters than TC, and correct me if I'm wrong, but TC hasn't even been dropped yet.
Also, if you're a Floyd fan, you must know by now that Floyd is in 100% shape, physically, and mentally for every single one of his fights. He also trains for every fight like it's his last. That's part of his greatness. So, that doesn't apply to Floyd.
I doubt Floyd would finish TC but I can see him doing a JMM type master class, you got to have great foot speed to give Floyd problems, and that's the one department TC is not the same level as above the waist, Floyd has great legs and reflex from any position he can always punch or evade, that coordination is so very rare.
TC gets hit a fair bit and makes mistakes I like him a lot he has huge potential just wanna see him fight a few of the elite guys to see his full toolbox, we haven't seen the best of TC just yet.
Im sure others are thinking Floyd must be a little better Gamboa so it goes both ways on that one.
I think TC would have nightmares with Floyds movement and foot speed, I think TC would look clumsy at times against Floyd. But TC hasn't reached his peak either so its not really fair.
The people saying well Corley clocked him or Mosley rocked him, or Gamboa had TC gone, in terms of TC vs FM is just another take on the good ol triangle theory.
This resume sht don't matter when the real top liners are in their biggest fights, because they rise to the occasion, the greats are at their most vulnerable when fighting the top guys that are not super fight material.
They still beat them though they can have moments, every ATG throughout history had losses or shaky moments against not so great fighters.
If one understands how hard it is to be consistent at top level, then one will understand they need something great to stimulate their mind into their very best zone, that's why greats rise to the occasion and always win those really big fights, not blowing out or dominating every single opponent through a resume doesn't mean anything, its just fan BS.
Be like saying if Horn does better than expected he must be extra good or Manny was a hype job, if any body thinks Manny will be in the shape he was in against Floyd they are nuts, so that makes Manny vulnerable for a poor showing. The haters will use it to sht can Manny the lovers will turn Horn into the next coming.
its not triangle theory why corley was hitting him flush. its evidence against why floyd would win. corley didnt just get lucky and rock floyd like mosley did. the entire fight floyd was open to being hit and was hit. that was the reason he was so offensive minded. he couldnt sit back and play defense. his offense was his defense and he didnt want to let corley get off his punches. this will work against guys who fade like judah or sub par fighters like corley but i see crawford as a much smarter and dangerous boxer than those guys. hes not going to stand there and let floyd tee off like corley did and hes not going to fade like judah did.
it would be an interesting fight but unfortunatley it would never happen as floyd was too scared to face stevie johnston and hbo benched him for doing so, therefore i see no reason he would take the crawford challenge. the slicksters were just not for floyd. he liked the slow face first guys
Ndou has a better resume. Crawford is overrated. Has potential but looks like a sloppy runner to me.
yeah ndou was amazing. no one can deny that. thats an argument stopper right there. its really not fair to pull that one out
You stupid ****t@rd.
The thread title clearly states FLOYD THAT DESTROYED GATTI. Not floyd who faced whomever the **** you feel like it.
You chose lesser performances so I will choose ****ty performances by crawford. Idiot.
Go watch floyd vs gatti. A masterpiece.
Then go watch crawford get rocked silly by no fundamental tired lowest ring IQ in history gamboa.
Then watch get hit clean by slow sorry ass postol.
By the way. You must be poosie to make empty threats to strangers on the internet. ***git.
http://images.usatoday.com/sports/boxing/_photos/2006-11-04-mayweather-med.jpg
after seeing this photo its clear crawford ko's floyd in 1
Im sure others are thinking Floyd must be a little better Gamboa so it goes both ways on that one.
I think TC would have nightmares with Floyds movement and foot speed, I think TC would look clumsy at times against Floyd. But TC hasn't reached his peak either so its not really fair.
The people saying well Corley clocked him or Mosley rocked him, or Gamboa had TC gone, in terms of TC vs FM is just another take on the good ol triangle theory.
This resume sht don't matter when the real top liners are in their biggest fights, because they rise to the occasion, the greats are at their most vulnerable when fighting the top guys that are not super fight material.
They still beat them though they can have moments, every ATG throughout history had losses or shaky moments against not so great fighters.
If one understands how hard it is to be consistent at top level, then one will understand they need something great to stimulate their mind into their very best zone, that's why greats rise to the occasion and always win those really big fights, not blowing out or dominating every single opponent through a resume doesn't mean anything, its just fan BS.
Be like saying if Horn does better than expected he must be extra good or Manny was a hype job, if any body thinks Manny will be in the shape he was in against Floyd they are nuts, so that makes Manny vulnerable for a poor showing. The haters will use it to sht can Manny the lovers will turn Horn into the next coming.
I get what you're saying, but TC's chin, mental strength, and skills are way too good for Floyd to finish him. Floyd's been the distance with far worse fighters than TC, and correct me if I'm wrong, but TC hasn't even been dropped yet.
Also, if you're a Floyd fan, you must know by now that Floyd is in 100% shape, physically, and mentally for every single one of his fights. He also trains for every fight like it's his last. That's part of his greatness. So, that doesn't apply to Floyd.
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